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"wtf is this? Plenty of women have children in their 40s. And at least those children will be born into a stable home. There are increased risks with pregnancy over 35. The fact that her child has autism isn't completely unconnected with her age. That doesn't mean she's horribly irresponsible for having the child. Responsible is being prepared and able to handle the work that comes along with your decisions, not avoiding decisions that will require work."

I see from your profile that you're a male. It is irresponsible to get pregnant after 40. Your genetic material has
likely degraded. Risking something like Down's syndrome or cerebral palsy or any number of other defects so
you can have a fifth child is straight up irresponsible. Maybe the baby could have been fine, but it wasn't.
Either way, it's pretty fucked up to roll the dice on that one.

Ladies, if you want kids after 40, freeze your eggs.

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"So women should subscribe to your morals surrounding sex and pregnancy? They can't decide what paths to take? They can't decide what steps to take to rectify wrong paths taken? When your daughter gets pregnant at 17, you can say that all you want, and even hold a press conference just to announce that to the world. Let people do what they want to do if they are not harming anyone. And you are one to be talking about "smart, educated women" taking responsibility."

No, like I said they can choose whatever they want. But any woman with four kids who gets pregnant at 43 is
irresponsible. She's the governor of Alaska, and she can't take control of her lady parts? I don't see a great VP
candidate there.

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"smart educated women would know that 16 is a healthy age to have a baby. so you lose. big time."

I never said it wasn't. I was talking about Gov. Palin's pregnancy at 43.

Physiologically, 16 is typically a good time to have a baby. But then there's everything else.





And I think I'm being misunderstood. Folks have accused me of expecting other women to behave by my
standards. I'm not. They can do whatever they want. I won't hesitate to call them stupid though. Furthermore,
I would never dream of enacting any law to take away a woman's right to do what she will with her body. That's
more Gov. Palin's style.

[Edited on September 1, 2008 at 9:52 PM. Reason : sss]

9/1/2008 9:24:55 PM

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""Those who criticize the Palin family don't understand that we don't see babies as a punishment but as a blessing"

I just don't understand evangelicals. Apparently babies born out of wedlock to a fatherless home with a mom living off welfare is a blessing now.

9/1/2008 9:26:17 PM

so, just out of curiosity, what do you think of a presidential candidate who is buddy-buddy w/ a self-avowed, unrepentant terrorist who bombed the Capitol building?

9/1/2008 9:26:59 PM

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"To the republicans on here, does the fact her daughter is preggers bother you? Doesnt bother me."

doesn't bother me

it's kind of annoying they didn't come out and say something about it before though... could have avoided the rumor bullshit that eventually caused the announcement to happen and all the satisfaction the left are getting from it all

even though nobody has lied about it and doesn't reflect on Palin or her ability to be a good VP, it's going to be made into a negative for some people out there, which is pathetic

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"I see from your profile that you're a male. It is irresponsible to get pregnant after 40."

Yes, males don't know shit about making the decision to have a child and have no clue as to when the appropriate cut-off is to not have a baby. Please enlighten us oh wise female

[Edited on September 1, 2008 at 9:32 PM. Reason : .]

9/1/2008 9:29:10 PM

yeh that should've been her opening day speech...

"dear america, i have a pregnant daughter. I also believe in the people ruling the land, not the government. the end"

9/1/2008 9:31:14 PM

ummm, the original rumours had nothing to do with this current pregnancy. They were the worst type of political mudslinging possible. And, of course, it was all brought to you by that bastion of compassion and morality, the Democrats.

9/1/2008 9:31:28 PM

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"To the republicans on here, does the fact her daughter is preggers bother you? Doesnt bother me."

you <----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
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--------> The point.

I doubt many have a "problem" with her daughter being pregnant. It is that her mother runs on a position of forcing abstinence only programs (abstinence being not having sex until marriage in case you were further clueless) and then her NON-MARRIED 17 year old daughter gets pregnant. Get it? Jeez you are fucking dense.

[Edited on September 1, 2008 at 9:32 PM. Reason : ]

9/1/2008 9:31:37 PM

man you liberals are meanies.

i bet you far lefties think concentration camps are "cool"!

9/1/2008 9:32:54 PM

^^ I get that you are slinging mud for no good reason.

And Bridget, I find it appalling that you consider this woman a "bad VP" candidate because she didn't do with her body what YOU want her to do. it is heinously hypocritical for a pro-murder advocate to hold a woman's choice about her body against her as a political candidate.

9/1/2008 9:37:32 PM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1RN5xbWtNSU

i just gotta post that video again...give it about 20 seconds in - I can't believe McCain is checking out her ass that much. To boot, he actually is fiddling nervously with his wedding ring. LOL

9/1/2008 9:40:25 PM

Hockey, is there any evidence she didnt discuss protection with her daughter? That would be a better point imo, if you are looking for irony.

9/1/2008 9:40:48 PM

So I think this discussion all boils down to one solid argument:

Palins daughter is a Hitler incarnate. You better vote for the black man if you want to live.

9/1/2008 9:43:01 PM

^^^ wow, really hitting those issues hard, aren't ya? HOPE!!! CHANGE!!! BELIEVE!!!!

9/1/2008 9:43:07 PM

Hey guys, I think obama really means..

- i HOPE we can CHANGE the gas prices when i take office because if i don't i BELIEVE they will get me assasinated -

9/1/2008 9:45:00 PM

sup, Rat?

9/1/2008 9:50:04 PM

I bet Bill Clinton got her pregnant, and he STILL didn't have sex.

[Edited on September 1, 2008 at 9:51 PM. Reason : .]

9/1/2008 9:50:46 PM

Quote :

"And Bridget, I find it appalling that you consider this woman a "bad VP" candidate because she didn't do with her body what YOU want her to do. it is heinously hypocritical for a pro-murder advocate to hold a woman's choice about her body against her as a political candidate."

There's nothing wrong or hypocritical in wanting a responsible person to be my vice president.

Responsibility includes things like not rolling the dice on having a retarded child.

And I'm not saying she should have had an abortion. I'm saying she shouldn't have gotten pregnant at all.

Because it's the responsible thing to do.

She can have a baby at 43 but she can't expect people to think she made a responsible/rational decision. Because she simply didn't.

9/1/2008 9:50:47 PM

Did anyone read that Grover Norquist quote about all this?

Seriously, social conservatives-- if you ever want to be taken seriously by a candidate ever again, you're going to have to stop being such a bunch of Republican groupies.

I'd be glad if you continued to slip into irrelevance, though.

9/1/2008 9:52:59 PM

Are you saying that retarded people shouldn't be given a chance to live?


That's what Hitler said too. Cool. You should put that on your blog for your friends to read.

9/1/2008 9:53:24 PM

It seems the VP position was as unplanned for the Palins as both of their pregnancies.

9/1/2008 9:54:09 PM

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"There's nothing wrong or hypocritical in wanting a responsible person to be my vice president."

And what of those who would say that the "responsible" thing to do is have the child and not have an abortion? There is the hypocrisy. You are defining the "responsible" thing to do, projecting your values upon a woman, dictating what she should do with her body. Whether that's birth control, abortion, condoms, whatever. THAT is the hypocrisy, and as a pro-murder advocate who always harps on a woman's right to murder so she can have her own way with her own body, you should be ashamed.

9/1/2008 9:55:10 PM

Not all of us can sit atop our golden towers and look down on the rest of the world in indignation. Palin got pregnant and made a very tough decision to stick with her pregnancy and had her child. I give her credit for making a responsible albeit tough choice, and I am certain her child will be a loved one.

Not everybody sees a child as being a burden, many people see children as a blessing, so I give kudos to Mrs. Palin for sticking by her family.

9/1/2008 9:59:33 PM

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" And what of those who would say that the "responsible" thing to do is have the child and not have an abortion? There is the hypocrisy. You are defining the "responsible" thing to do, projecting your values upon a woman, dictating what she should do with her body. Whether that's birth control, abortion, condoms, whatever. THAT is the hypocrisy, and as a pro-murder advocate who always harps on a woman's right to murder so she can have her own way with her own body, you should be ashamed."

The responsible thing to do is not get pregnant in the first place.

I thought I was pretty clear on that.


And I'm not dictating what she should do with her body.

She can do what she wants.

But, again, I won't hesitate to call her an irresponsible idiot.


TO BE CLEAR, SHE'S THE ONE WHO WANTS TO DICTATE WHAT I DO WITH MY BODY.

NOT THE OTHER WAY AROUND.

9/1/2008 10:02:19 PM

Quote :

"I'd be glad if you continued to slip into irrelevance, though."

What exactly has made liberalism relevent in your lifetime, other than Hey we're not George Bush, vote for us!1!!!!

9/1/2008 10:02:21 PM

Quote :

"I'm saying she shouldn't have gotten pregnant at all. Because it's the responsible thing to do. "

Wow. Seems to contradict your views on your single mother and welfare examples.

9/1/2008 10:03:31 PM

^^ I like it. In order to be "responsible" she has to do what YOU want her to do with HER body. She has to have YOUR values when it comes to HER body to be responsible to you.

hypocrite.

But, just to be fair, when I see a girl that has an abortion, can I call her "irresponsible" for getting pregnant? Can I lambast her for doing such an "irresponsible" thing as getting pregnant when she didn't want to?

[Edited on September 1, 2008 at 10:05 PM. Reason : ]

9/1/2008 10:04:14 PM

^^I used the phrase "smart, educated" woman about a hundred times on the previous pages.

We're not talking about some girl who barely graduated high school and has never left her hometown.

We're talking about a grown ass woman with a college degree who thinks she can be VP.


^Hell yes, you can call her irresponsible. Keep in mind the circumstances. But absolutely, go for it.

Women have some control now. They just need to reach out and grab it.

Reach past the Gov. Palins who would keep it from them. And take control.

VYes. Again, there are circumstances but yes, go right ahead.

[Edited on September 1, 2008 at 10:12 PM. Reason : sss]

9/1/2008 10:06:56 PM

so, a 24-y/o who has graduated from college and has an abortion. I can call her "irresponsible" and look down upon her, right?

9/1/2008 10:09:01 PM

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"The responsible thing to do is not get pregnant in the first place. I thought I was pretty clear on that."

It's still unclear to me why having a child, when you're able to take of it 100%, at any age is "irresponsible." Because there's a chance the child may have a defect? Can a child with a defect not be rewarding to its parents or in anyone else's life?

9/1/2008 10:10:22 PM

Quote :

"What exactly has made liberalism relevent in your lifetime, other than Hey we're not George Bush, vote for us!1!!!!"

From your perspective, the choices for president in '08 are "very liberal" and "somewhat liberal."

So apparently liberal voters are still very relevant.

9/1/2008 10:11:04 PM

^^ because Palin is a Republican, durr.

9/1/2008 10:12:28 PM

Quote :

"It's still unclear to me why having a child, when you're able to take of it 100%, at any age is "irresponsible." Because there's a chance the child may have a defect? Can a child with a defect not be rewarding to its parents or in anyone else's life?"

I wouldn't wish a cognitive disability on anyone, especially my own child.

Sure, they can be "rewarding."

But they're the ones who have to live their lives with a cognitive disability.

This kid suffers just because Palin didn't feel like getting her tubes tied.

That's wrong.

9/1/2008 10:20:22 PM

wonder what the repubs would say if this happened to a dem

9/1/2008 10:27:42 PM

if a dem had a baby, i'd be shocked.

b/c we all know babies aren't carbon neutral. oh buddy!

9/1/2008 10:37:04 PM

i know. how dare Palin not do what YOU say she should with HER body. How irresponsible.

still waiting to hear about whether or not I can look down upon a 24 y/o college graduate who has an abortion.


if a dem had a baby, I'd be surprised it wasn't aborted

[Edited on September 1, 2008 at 10:39 PM. Reason : ]

9/1/2008 10:38:57 PM

It's all a setup guiz.


I call 4/1 odds she aborts. That would reel in a mountain load of clinton supports.

It would be epic.

[Edited on September 1, 2008 at 10:40 PM. Reason : epic]

9/1/2008 10:40:29 PM

^^I already answered your question about the 24-year-old.

And again she can do whatever she wants. That's her right. I reserve my right to call her irresponsible. I
don't know why you have such a problem with me having an opinion since pretty much everybody does.
Regardless, she's the one who wants to enact law to control whatwomen do with their bodies. Not me.

[Edited on September 1, 2008 at 10:43 PM. Reason : sss]

9/1/2008 10:42:00 PM

burro, bridget said yes to your question:

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"VYes. Again, there are circumstances but yes, go right ahead."

[Edited on September 1, 2008 at 10:45 PM. Reason : TOO LATE!]

9/1/2008 10:44:33 PM

no. she wants to enact laws to protect an innocent life. You are the one looking down on her for doing with her body as she pleases, while railing against her for being against murder in the name of "one's body"

9/1/2008 10:44:52 PM

I think most normal women who get laid or have daughters who get laid are going to connect with the Palin mother daughter situation and really learn a lot from a mother who takes care of her daughter.

Even if her daughter did go against the moral code she prescribes too. It shows genuine love and affection and I think that's going to reel in hearts of the people.

So basically BridgetSPK loses. Sorry girl. In your dream world she'd have been strung up and shot by now, but sorry, Palin mommy is a nice lady. She's not a Hillary.

9/1/2008 10:47:15 PM

^^Yes, I'm looking down on her as irresponsible.

BECAUSE SHE IS.

What's the problem here?

^What the fuck are you talking about?

[Edited on September 1, 2008 at 10:49 PM. Reason : ?]

9/1/2008 10:48:47 PM

irresponsible to you, only because she didn't do with her body what you would have her do. I'm just pointing out your hypocrisy. love ya, babes

9/1/2008 10:56:41 PM

^No, it's irresponsible because she took a big risk with serious consequences that affect other people.

9/1/2008 11:07:24 PM

Quote :

"a guy who bombed the capitol building is definitely fit to be in the President's inner circle, right?"

An old proverb said "Never put to much trust in your friends; and learn to use your enemies. "

9/1/2008 11:11:09 PM

trying to deflect attention away from your hypocrisy won't help, bridget.

9/1/2008 11:36:06 PM

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"But, just to be fair, when I see a girl that has an abortion, can I call her "irresponsible" for getting pregnant? Can I lambast her for doing such an "irresponsible" thing as getting pregnant when she didn't want to? "

Isn't this why most teenage pregnancies are frowned upon? Because they are being irresponsible for having a child when they didn't want one, and also because they can't always necessarily take care of them. Bristol is lucky she has parents and a support structure that can help her with the baby, but what if it was another alaskan that wasn't so well off?

You all would be sneering at them, probably throwing some pejoratives, and would probably joke that maybe they should have an abortion.

In any case... I don't recall, but was Cheney's lesbian daughter as big an issue back in 2000 as Palin's slutty daughter?

[Edited on September 2, 2008 at 12:43 AM. Reason : ]

9/2/2008 12:32:15 AM

Quote :

"How about we talk about Obama's BEST FRIEND who BOMBED THE US CAPITOL and says he didn't go far enough? How about we talk about Obama's BEST FRIEND who preached racism from a church pulpit for 20 years? How about we actually talk about something that matters?"

I agree that we should talk about something that matters. However, these two examples seem hardly as significant as you portray them. Both appear to be manufactured news scandals, similar to what we are seeing recently with Governor Palin.

As far as I'm aware, Obama served on a board and traded board chairmanship on a committee founded by Ayers that was intended to enhance public education in inner-city Chicago; Ayers hosted an event in celebration of Obama's initiation into politics; Obama has described his neighborly relationship with Ayers as, "friendly."

As for the Wright controversy: the guy criticized U.S. foreign policy for decades; the media plastered him all over the tv for weeks. In all of the broadcasts, not once did I see a clip of the reverend making a legitimate argument against a specific U.S. action, which he did a lot. The only clips I saw were of him being nutty; any legitimate statement he may have made outside of the spotlight would have been irreparably damaged by the more ridiculous, asinine comments that the media was prone to discuss.

What information are we going to obtain by discussing the negative behaviors of Obama's, so-called, Best Friends? If you want to make the argument that Obama has had ties with the radical left, you may have a point. I would be interested in reading more information on these topics or the missing committee funding. And don't get me wrong: we shouldn't blindly ignore these stories that you've mentioned; however, to reference these two.. as examples of stories that actually matter? Perhaps, there is something I'm missing.

9/2/2008 2:07:55 AM

yes. the fact that Ayers, an admitted terrorist, could get a post in an Obama administration is surely nothing to talk about. Especially when faced with the shocker of a pregnant 17 year old...

9/2/2008 8:43:00 AM

Served on the same board = BFF?

You all have been listening to too much Hannity. Get a grip on reality.

9/2/2008 9:02:14 AM

Apparently she was also a member of the Alaska Independence Party, who sought for Alaska to secede from the union. A real patriot there.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/uselection2008/johnmccain/2667214/John-McCains-running-mate-Sarah-Palin-was-in-Alaskan-independence-party.html

[Edited on September 2, 2008 at 9:24 AM. Reason : ?]

9/2/2008 9:21:27 AM