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"By submitting, posting or displaying the content you give Google a perpetual, irrevocable, worldwide, royalty-free, and non-exclusive license to reproduce, adapt, modify, translate, publish, publicly perform, publicly display and distribute any Content which you submit, post or display on or through, the Services"

i'm uninstalling this shit right now...didn't really impress me that much...i noticed it had problems with animated gif's for fuck's sake

[Edited on September 3, 2008 at 3:28 PM. Reason : .]

9/3/2008 3:24:55 PM

yeeeeeeeah, not really happy with the EULA situation.

Don't think I'll be using it much more after reading that article.

Also, from Cutts blog:

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"I knew that Google didn’t want to assert rights on what people did using Google Chrome, so I asked the Chrome team and Google lawyers for their reaction or to clarify (probably several other people pinged them too). Here’s what I heard back from Rebecca Ward, the Senior Product Counsel for Google Chrome: “In order to keep things simple for our users, we try to use the same set of legal terms (our Universal Terms of Service) for many of our products. Sometimes, as in the case of Google Chrome, this means that the legal terms for a specific product may include terms that don’t apply well to the use of that product. We are working quickly to remove language from Section 11 of the current Google Chrome terms of service. This change will apply retroactively to all users who have downloaded Google Chrome.” "

[Edited on September 3, 2008 at 3:57 PM. Reason : ]

9/3/2008 3:40:50 PM

the lack of spell check is going to be a major problem

9/3/2008 5:09:55 PM

i've uninstalled it. too many little annoyances. i'll try it again sometime later when they've fixed/changed some things.

9/3/2008 5:11:45 PM

9/3/2008 5:59:49 PM

No Windows 2000 support?

9/3/2008 6:13:34 PM

http://www.cnn.com/2008/TECH/ptech/09/03/review.chrome.ap/index.html

9/3/2008 8:18:06 PM

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"So which one comes out smelling like roses? The beta of Internet Explorer 8, released just last week."

How much did Microsoft pay the author of that article, exactly?

9/3/2008 9:07:14 PM

http://arstechnica.com/journals/linux.ars/2008/09/03/new-firefox-javascript-engine-is-faster-than-chromes-v8

9/3/2008 9:15:25 PM

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"At work, I often have 40 or 50 tabs open in Firefox, grouped in different windows depending on which topic they pertain to. Frequently, Firefox would slow down all the other applications on my computer, then seize up completely."

A.D.D. much

9/3/2008 9:37:23 PM

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"the lack of spell check is going to be a major problem"

orly, because I have spell check on mine... interestingly enough, orly wasnt flagged (but wasn't without an apostrophe was)

9/3/2008 10:20:57 PM

Quote :

"Quote : "I just want to know if these mofos are tracking everything I do in chrome." Was my first thought. Google is not any more trustworthy than Microsoft."

Please, enlighten us with some substance behind that statement. Otherwise, I'll happily continue thinking that you're an idiot.

9/3/2008 11:10:50 PM

Google is an ad company. They make money by watching what you do and then giving you targeted ads. Granted their ad system is total garbage and its amazing they can even make money on it.

I mean take Gmail for example. It looks at the content of your email in order to serve you ads. That is straight up adware, but you dont care because its free.

9/3/2008 11:18:10 PM

their basic business model is give the user something free and then serve ads up alongside of it. sure its "adware" but you're the one who is making the assertion that "adware" is intrinsically bad. personally I don't mind the minor intrusion and apparantly millions of others don't either. I have a bigger problem with companies like EA who seems to think its ok to add ads into video games that I pay $60 for.

9/3/2008 11:27:28 PM

You dont need to buy the game though. Its the same idea. I'm just explaining why puck_it's concerns are legitimate.

9/3/2008 11:48:31 PM

^How is anything you said supporting the idea that google isn't a trustworthy company? They're targeted ads. It's quite obvious, and it's VERY clearly outlined in the privacy statement of every ad-serving application that they provide. That doesn't seem even a little bit devious to me.

9/4/2008 12:04:42 AM

Personally I don't care that they can "read" my email to target ads at me ... I mean, if they WERE so inclined, what are they going to see? Emails talking to someone I love? Emails to friends about a cook out I'm doing this weekend? Emails from some technical mailing list? Emails detailing a purchase I just made? Why should I care? Honestly ... why?

Please someone tell me ... why I should care?

This isn't to say that I'm oblivious to security, or haven't thought at ALL about operational security of situations, but apart from the over-sensitivity to a "draconian" future of information abundance with the government, it's not like they are going to do anything malicious to me with that information. Besides, if I were going to do something that could get me in trouble, I most definitely would be doing everything I could to AVOID services such as these that "make life easier" by tracking and manipulating my internet browsing.

Alright ... so, someone give me a good reason other than plain-old science fiction paranoia, because I've been harboring that for years and have only recently started giving it up in order to make life easier.

9/4/2008 1:19:55 AM

because everyone should have the right to privacy, regardless to whether you choose it or not

9/4/2008 1:29:58 AM

Quote :

"I mean take Gmail for example. It looks at the content of your email in order to serve you ads. That is straight up adware, but you dont care because its free it's completely unobtrusive"

9/4/2008 3:33:38 AM

^^ a computer scanning your email and pulling out keywords for ads (if that's all that's going on, which I hope it is) is not much of an invasion of privacy. The computer doesn't know you or make any judgments based on what it reads. Anyone using any webmail system has this happening to them - Google was just the first ones to come out and say it, maybe naively. I can imagine some managers sitting around at AOL, Yahoo and Hotmail, sweating their balls off when Gmail came out and Google was getting thrashed for the targeted ads, and they were thinking "well shit, we've been doing this for years, I hope they don't catch on to us now"

9/4/2008 7:21:13 AM

EULA is updated. the offending section is now simply

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" 11. Content license from you 11.1 You retain copyright and any other rights you already hold in Content which you submit, post or display on or through, the Services. "

The original article here has been updated
http://tapthehive.com/discuss/This_Post_Not_Made_In_Chrome_Google_s_EULA_Sucks

Quote :

" The questionable language has been removed entirely. I didn't think it was necessary for Google to step that far back, but it's definitely more in line with the mantra of "Do No Evil." Based on these changes, I can legitimately say that I recommend the download and use of Chrome."

9/4/2008 8:48:33 AM

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"I recommend the download and use of Chrome"

a revised EULA does not a good browser make. i had planned to use chrome as my browser for a full week, but i'm already back to FF. it's a decent entry into the browser market, but it needs a little more work imo

9/4/2008 9:13:15 AM

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"but it needs a little more work imo"

hence, the "beta"
(although Google, through Gmail, has effectively destroyed what the word beta means. hopefully they'll live up to it here - leave Chrome in beta for no more than a couple months, add features, fix bugs, and release a full version by the end of the year)

9/4/2008 9:22:37 AM

It comes down to someone having an index of my browsing, email, and search history. You may think "oh its google they're great!" but I dont differentiate between them and any other company.

So if you're fine with google looking at all that stuff I dont see how you could ever be upset at another company doing it.

9/4/2008 9:28:54 AM

^^why would they take on the responsibility and associated liability w/ a final when they've already proven they can get away w/ a beta.

Heck, i'm inspired, i'm gonna start using betas for everything. Sorry, gf, this is just the beta. The house isnt supposed to be fully cleaned yet. Disclaimer, this dinner is still beta.

lol

9/4/2008 9:34:08 AM

anyone noticed a good deal of disk activity when chrome is running? i don't get it...why does a browser need to access the hard disk so much?

and why in the hell can't you configure a homepage to go to when you open new tabs?

9/4/2008 9:34:25 AM

another Chrome grievance: for some reason the scroll wheel scrolls way too fast and too choppy. I actually finding myself going over and dragging the scroller because the scroll wheel is driving my nuts.

9/4/2008 11:23:36 AM

^i noticed the same too

i don't know if someone's already posted this, but i think it's funny that if you go to a webpage that uses livesearch maps, it doesn't work. pages with google maps work just fine of course.

[Edited on September 4, 2008 at 11:49 AM. Reason : ]

9/4/2008 11:48:06 AM

here's a pretty good list of tips and FAQs
http://blogoscoped.com/archive/2008-09-04-n21.html

9/4/2008 1:05:08 PM

I'm actually liking it so far. I guess I'll keep using it for a week or two and see if any problems pop up.

9/4/2008 1:11:58 PM

http://www.neowin.net/news/main/08/09/04/google-updates-chrome-eula

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"As we mentioned earlier, Google's Chrome browser, though much hailed for its speed, does have its fair share of rust stains, including a EULA which originally gave Google complete control over all content submitted through the browser. In this case, slightly worrying would be an understatement. Fortunately, the search engine has been quick to rectify this issue, attributing the whole issue to accidental copy and paste. Under Section 11 of Google's Universal Terms of Service, Google retains a license to transmit or display content through its services, as per US copyright law. However, the section in Chrome was not updated. Mike Yang, Senior Product Counsel at Google, writes: "[Our] license is limited to providing the service. In Gmail, for example, the terms specifically disclaim our ownership right to Gmail content. So for Google Chrome, only the first sentence of Section 11 should have applied. We're sorry we overlooked this, but we've fixed it now..." The updated EULA now reads: "You retain copyright and any other rights you already hold in Content which you submit, post or display on or through, the Services." And, yes, these terms are retroactive."

9/4/2008 9:48:57 PM

here's some interesting background
http://www.wired.com/techbiz/it/magazine/16-10/mf_chrome?currentPage=all

9/4/2008 11:49:15 PM

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"You dont need to buy the game though. Its the same idea. I'm just explaining why puck_it's concerns are legitimate."

I had concerns?

9/5/2008 12:13:27 AM

Been using it today. It does not work at all with the new facebook style. Java or whatever runs the tab things.

For example in the photos tab i click "next" and it either refreshes the current page or brings me to the boxes or info tab and not the next photo page. Doesn't work with the photo slide gallery thing at all. Tried it on two computers and both had the same problem running vista 64. Haven't tried it on an XP machine yet. Anyone having similar issues?

Quote :

"another Chrome grievance: for some reason the scroll wheel scrolls way too fast and too choppy. I actually finding myself going over and dragging the scroller because the scroll wheel is driving my nuts."

Yeah this is really giving me a head ache. It's not fluid like IE.

[Edited on September 5, 2008 at 4:45 AM. Reason : .]

9/5/2008 4:35:01 AM

i'm wondering why they didn't prettify the text like safari does

[Edited on September 5, 2008 at 8:42 AM. Reason : and IE7+ i guess]

9/5/2008 8:42:22 AM

yeah, noticed that too. the text rendering is pretty bad. hopefully they'll implement anti-aliasing or "clear text" or whatever soon

9/5/2008 8:45:52 AM

one thing i noticed, its rather nit picky however, is that when you do a search in the address bar, say for 'ncsu' does returns search results from a google search instead of taking you to the 'i'm feeling lucky' hit. i know it doesn't return the 'i'm feeling lucky' page for all searches in firefox, but for the obvious searches it does. also, the search engines add-on would make this a top contender, albeit it is an excellent and very stable entry level browser. also the copy/paste can act weird, and when you try to use the quote function on tww you might have to edit if you are not looking as it will high-light the ], so in other words if you immediately paste, with will overwrite this ] and you will have to edit your post to insert it if you were not looking the first time. i don't know it this happens 100% of the time but it happen to me last night.

9/5/2008 10:21:04 AM

who's still using google's browser?

9/5/2008 10:32:42 AM

I still use it for general browsing, but nothing work related.

I don't use it at home since there is no linux version, but I probably will when they release it.

I haven't had any of the scrolling or text issues that some are talking about. And I haven't had it crash on me yet. And the only sites I haven't been able to get working right were sites I only use for work anyway.

The small issues I have had are with drop-down boxes not letting me click and drag, I have to click to enable the dropdown, and then click to select the item. Same thing with my bookmark toolbar, I used to just click once, hold the button down scrolling to the bookmark I wanted, then release. Now I have to clik to open the folder, release, click to select item. Not a big deal, but annoying still.

9/5/2008 12:29:15 PM

i was just talking with a co-worker about Chrome and the V8 Javascript engine, and it reminded me all of a sudden of a thread I made almost 3 years ago - October, 2005
http://brentroad.com/message_topic.aspx?topic=358801

Recall that Gmail, arguably, was the first mainstream AJAX application, came out in April 2004, and Google Maps, the first really heavyduty mainstream AJAX app came out in February 2005. So I posted that still when AJAX webpages were relatively new and fresh.

I was pondering the state of AJAX and wondering if something more powerful than JavaScript was needed for "real web app" development. Of course, Java tried to solve this problem over 10 years ago, but it failed miserably, at least on the web.

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"If the end goal of AJAX is to allow rich, fully featured, client-like applications to be run in the web browser, is AJAX (JS, XML, httprequest, etc) up to this task, or should someone really be focusing on a brand new language/technology/platform with that goal in mind, instead of twisting JS around until it can do something near what we want. Such a platform would natively and easily do everything AJAX does, but would be designed from the ground up to be developed and deployed much faster and easier, and will provide a richer, more comfortable experience for the end user."

i suggested a new language/platform was still required to take over from AJAX, but wondered who could do it

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"If so, then the question is who? The obvious answers, and maybe the only ones capable of such a feat, are Microsoft and Google. If Google ever produces the fabled GBrowser (or even a Google-branded version of FireFox), they could include this new, open platform directly into the browser. Then they would be free to introduce GOffice or a fully embedded GEarth or any other Gx application using their new language. This could be good or bad for Google, but it would put the ball in MS's court. At first, if people wanted to use GOffice et. al, they would hvae to use GBrowser. Then it would be up to MS to include the platform in IE, which they would fight because it would give users direct access to GOffice, a direct competitor to Office. But at the same time, their IE market share, and their stranglehold on the PC desktop, would start to slip away even further to Google…."

So, with Chrome Google has eschewed the chance/opportunity/responsibility of creating a new language or platform. But something I hadn't considered was the possibility of things like V8 and Tracemonkey, which would take the existing Javascript functionality, and just make it execute orders of magnitude faster and more efficient. Even so, those advancements don't address the actual capabilities and limitations of Javascript, or the development efforts associated with it and other AJAX technologies. So, as much as Chrome/FF4/IE8 may push web technologies further, it still seems to me like we're all missing an opportunity to make browser platforms truly rival the desktop.

9/5/2008 4:41:47 PM

but before you do any of it, you should ask SHOULD the web app rival the desktop?

my answer is no. provide an alternative? sure. provide better collaboration? sure.
but there are certain things that i want to make sure don't fail, saving something to my desktop keeps things secure, private, and performing to the fastest degree possible. something online apps can never do or promise.

9/5/2008 5:40:30 PM

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"No Windows 2000 support?"

no Mac OS X support either.

9/5/2008 5:50:05 PM

^^ well, of course, Chrome also has Gears built in, so you have offline access to certain webapps.

but i do agree with your main point. And I also think it's a bit silly to try to cram certain applications into a browser using technologies like javascript and Flash, which are downright primitive compared to the native APIs that all modern OSs offer to client applications

^ mac support by "end of year", they say
I doubt Win2k support ever. why bother (i ask that as I type on a Win2k laptop.....)

[Edited on September 5, 2008 at 5:57 PM. Reason : . ]

9/5/2008 5:57:04 PM

Its such a piece of spyware. I uninstalled it because it kept starting a googleupdate.exe process that wasn't anywhere in services or within the non existant chrome options. But it leaves that hanging around after its uninstalled. I deleted the executable, but it left stuff in the registry. So who knows what else the "uninstaller" left lying around my drive collecting data.

9/9/2008 9:50:23 AM

http://antivirus.about.com/od/windowsbasics/ht/googleupdate.htm

[Edited on September 9, 2008 at 10:57 AM. Reason : .]

9/9/2008 10:56:49 AM

hah. creating a scheduled task. I'd never think to look for spyware there.

9/9/2008 5:44:33 PM

how do you know it's spyware? sure, it's pretty rude of them to install a process that runs in the background just to poll for updates, especially considering the lengths they went to to keep it around after uninstalling, but there's no reason to believe that the process is doing anything malicious.

[Edited on September 9, 2008 at 5:51 PM. Reason : i hate when my msconfig gets cluttered with update programs]

9/9/2008 5:50:16 PM

I gave and have been using it 100% for a few days now. I must say i'm liking it a lot. the 'do all' bar is working fantastic. its noticeably fast after switching back and forth to FF and IE.

The biggest and really only problems i have are with Flash crashing more than usual and with the scrolling being too fast and skipping all over. Oh and i wish it'd remember all my tabs when i close it and reopen to the same layout like FF does.

9/9/2008 7:08:11 PM

I use it at home and it's working pretty well except for 3 problems/issues.

1. On forums using phpBB, it doesn't show text correctly in the text boxes. It will leave anything that you erase until you type over it and sometimes blanks out the first few letters of the next line (only when entering a message). Odd and a bit annoying but there's only one forum that I'm on that uses it so it's not a huge deal yet.

2. You can't use the Space bar to "OK" pop-up screens (like emptying Gmail's spam folder).

3. For some reason, the scroll bar on my laptop will scroll down fine (fine as in it will do it, it is choppy & too fast) but it won't scroll up.

Work is still FF & IE (1 vendor doesn't think anything other than XP & IE exist and won't change their CAD/online interface to work with anything else). I may change to Chrome there once it's been out longer and is more secure (maybe has a few add-ins available also).

9/9/2008 11:35:08 PM

greasemonkey for chrome

http://www.readwriteweb.com/archives/greasemetal_greasemonkey_for_g.php

9/10/2008 11:42:15 AM