seitan is pretty tasty! and its directly harmful to lewoods, because it is wheat gluten. and its pronounced like SATAN, which is fun to say. it doesn't really taste like meat but it has more of a stringy consistency and is more satisfying than tofu.

9/24/2008 11:31:34 AM

I thought you were saying that satan is pretty tasty. I was going to agree with you, but then I was like "oh wait."

9/24/2008 11:33:09 AM

I'm not sure what you're trying to get at. Yes, if you completely removed a human being from society and put them in an alien environment they would have a tough time competing with other animals that are suited for that environment. Also, if you put a great white shark in the middle of my living room floor with no water in sight I'm pretty sure I could kick it's ass.

Saying something is weak without the thing most crucial to it's survival is just a truism.

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"^^^Again, I own a lot of guns. Other people had to make them for me. Do you make guns? Do you make ammo? Can you produce gun powder, primers and bullets? Without the information and structure, you wont have that stuff. That's the point. It's extremely fragile and temporary. It doesn't make you above other shit."

[Edited on September 24, 2008 at 11:36 AM. Reason : .]

9/24/2008 11:34:27 AM

That is the worst analogy yet. Humans have only existed in this current environment for the blink of an eye. Our natural environment is out in the wild, not in suburbia.

I never proposed throwing a human into the ocean, which is akin to putting a shark on your floor. I simply proposed putting any one of you into the real world with only your brains. Yes, you may survive, but you're going to have to fight for your life every single day just like the rest of the world's organisms.

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"Saying something is weak without the thing most crucial to it's survival is just a truism."

If guns are the most crucial thing to our survival then we'd already be extinct. We weren't born with guns growing out of our hands, dumbass. Obviously our brains are what have helped us survive. That still doesn't put us above everything else. All it takes is the collapse of society and you'll be forced to live like your body has evolved for you to live. Then the tables are turned. Without this complex, fragile infrastructure, you're nothing.

[Edited on September 24, 2008 at 11:39 AM. Reason : ]

9/24/2008 11:37:20 AM

you idiots ought to be glad that there are factory farms of all sorts (vegetables on a factory farm?? no way!) to support your bodies while you have the dumbest argument in the world.



IF A BEAR DIDN'T HAVE TEETH OR CLAWS, WOULD IT STILL KICK ASS???

9/24/2008 11:37:49 AM

^ Yep. Bears never existed without teeth and claws. You can obviously tell that it's a retarded analogy. Guns are not in any way equivalent to teeth or claws, as we weren't born with them attached to our bodies. These retards are too dense to realize that they're just animals. It's part of the curse of our "intelligence." Lots of us think that we're somehow detached from everything around us. It's just not so. We've created a temporary complex and incredibly fragile infrastructure that will not last forever.

From my understanding, at any one time there is something like a 33 day stockpile of wheat for all of humanity. If the crops died across the world, we'd be out of wheat in that time. Perhaps this gives you an idea of the fragility we're looking at here. We all rely on the infrastructure to support us, which makes us less able to survive when change occurs. Massive climate change could easily cut down the human population substantially due to crop failures and subsequent food shortages. Production of all of these precious guns and medications could stop, etc. It wouldn't take much at all, because we have backed ourselves into a corner with our "intelligence." It's not all it's cracked up to be in a lot of ways.

[Edited on September 24, 2008 at 11:45 AM. Reason : ]

9/24/2008 11:41:04 AM

I meant to imply that human society and the benefits to the individual that it imparts (including guns) are crucial to our survival.

but you're right, if society collapsed we'd be fucked. You win.

[Edited on September 24, 2008 at 11:43 AM. Reason : .]

9/24/2008 11:42:22 AM

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"Bears never existed without teeth and claws."

woah woah, you don't believe in creationism do you?

9/24/2008 11:44:01 AM

Of course I do, dumbass. [/sarcasm]

Let me re-iterate this fact:

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"No evolutionary step can be without use. ie - it's not likely that whatever lions evolved from was ever useless or unable to defend itself/fight. There weren't lions without teeth before there were "regular" lions. Evolution can't "see" into the future, it's simply selection. Thus, no step along the way is done with a planned out path for the future. Your tooth "argument" is retarded."

Teeth occurred long before bears, their ancestors had teeth and the ancestors of their ancestors had teeth. There were never bears without teeth dude.

[Edited on September 24, 2008 at 11:47 AM. Reason : ]

9/24/2008 11:46:45 AM

i need to start construction on my doomsday zombieproof fort with a seed bank and a few years worth of MREs ASAP

9/24/2008 11:47:51 AM

I've already got some provisions for a zombie attack, but I wont last that long. The eventual collapse of society is inevitable. It's just a matter of time.

9/24/2008 11:49:04 AM

do you think they make vegetarian MREs?

9/24/2008 11:49:57 AM

Nah, that would be gay.

9/24/2008 11:51:01 AM

Well when the collapse of society comes, I'll see you in the Thunderdome, SaabTurbo.

9/24/2008 11:51:01 AM

I'll be in the field, armed to the teeth son.

9/24/2008 11:51:22 AM

actually i am disturbed at the number of vegetarian MREs available

9/24/2008 11:59:24 AM

thought there would be more milk boob pics

9/24/2008 12:27:15 PM

saabTurbo, I know exactly what you are saying, and I agree. I was going to reply to wdprice's dumb comment, but you've said more than I would have

And skwinkle, that's great. It's nice that you gave it a try, and it's understandable not to like a certain kind of food. I've heard of people who just don't like certain kinds of vegetables, or do not like dairy. You are different than some of those other vegetarians, and for that I respect you. I can not respect the ones who stand in the brickyard, handing out pamphlets full of misinformation and nonsense, telling others what not to eat.

9/24/2008 12:54:38 PM

Wow, I've never seen such a high post-fail ratio.

9/24/2008 12:56:28 PM

For every animal you don't eat, I'm gonna eat three

9/24/2008 12:56:43 PM

9/24/2008 1:01:57 PM

^^ Hahaha! /maddox

9/24/2008 1:02:33 PM

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"I have no respect for vegetarians and vegans. Your reasoning and logic is flawed, your diet is not nearly as diverse, and you spew your nonsense out loud and attempt to curtail my choice to eat meat. Humans climbed to the top of the food chain. Why the fuck should I eat like a rabbit. If you don't want to eat meat, that's your stupid fucking choice. This is America, I can eat whatever fucking animal I want to. And no, humans and animals are not equal, "animal rights" is one of the largest piles of shit around, "humane" treatment of animals doesn't even make sense, they eat each other, thus I can eat them. And no, I'm not pro-beating/killing/torturing/etc animals. But let's get shit straight - they're fucking animals."

this has got to be the most ignorant bullshit ever.

1) my logic is not flawed. Please enlighten me as to how having animal-free diet for the sake of my health is flawed. And exactly how do you know what every vegetarian/vegans reasoning is?

2) I'll bet all the money I have that I have a FAR more diverse diet than you, and many other meat eaters. Becoming a vegan has encouraged me to branch out to other types of foods- it is the stereotypical carnivore that refuses to try new shit because they think it's too strange for them (the perfect examples being seitan or tofu- those aren't just items reserved for vegetarians/vegans.)

3) When do I spew nonsense aloud or try to curtail your meat eating habits? Or those of any other carnivore for that matter. I may find the idea of downing a hot dog or burger gross at times- but I sure as hell don't try to stop others from eating meat products. I even cook meat for other people - including two turkeys at thanksgiving the past two thanksgivings.

4) Of course humans and animals are not equal- but that doesn't mean they deserve to be treated like shit- either in the mass production factories/farms, in shelters, or in somebody's home as a pet. Treating an animal like crap just because we're at the top of the food chain is fucking retarded- and just shows what kind of human being a person truly is if they choose to do so.

5) Believe it or not, most people that CHOOSE to not eat meat or animal products don't force their opinions down everybody's throat. So next time you make a generalization about all vegetarians and vegans, just do everybody else a favor and STFU. I'd rather you just eat your meat and leave me the hell alone for my decision.



asshole.

9/24/2008 1:09:18 PM

Fuck that shit aefag.

9/24/2008 1:35:02 PM

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"^^^Again, I own a lot of guns. Other people had to make them for me. Do you make guns? Do you make ammo? Can you produce gun powder, primers and bullets? Without the information and structure, you wont have that stuff. That's the point. It's extremely fragile and temporary. It doesn't make you above other shit."

I can produce a spear, and work together with other humans who also have spears.

This is what put humans at the top of the food chain, LONG before guns.

9/24/2008 1:35:41 PM

I wouldn't say it put us at the top of the food chain. It made us able to fight animals and at least have a chance, yeah. Have you ever tried to spear a beast?

Dude, I understand that you can make a primitive weapon or throw a rock. The point was addressing someone else's comments that they'd just bring a gun, not that you can't manufacture any kind of simple killing tool. Not to mention I'd be surprised if most people could just up and make a decent spear. It takes knowledge/practice (You need the right materials and you have to make it properly to be able to make it effective and able to be used more than once) to make a good one. You're also going to have to find/make a sharp rock and then quickly hone in on extremely close quarters hunting skills, which very few people have the ability or knowledge to do today. This again goes back to my point about the fact that we've stopped passing down a lot of the knowledge required to live in the wild. Lots of people say that it's pointless, but this organized shit wont hold together forever. I don't believe that most of today's people could survive in the wild at all. This goes back to my original point that humans are not a different class of organism, they're animals. Yes, we have intelligence, but it's not always going to save you in the wild. Many tribal type cultures seemed to be much more humble about their place within reality, probably because they didn't think they were invincible like the idiots in here do. Today's human is a real arrogant piece of trash.

And again, your spear wont kill diseases.

[Edited on September 24, 2008 at 1:46 PM. Reason : ]

9/24/2008 1:39:42 PM

yet another example how PETA is okay with exploiting women, just not animals.

9/24/2008 1:43:45 PM

^^ Diseases are not animals, and are not part of the food chain.

9/24/2008 1:44:49 PM

Tell that to the parasites, bacteria, etc.

Also note that I NEVER mentioned the food chain, cockbag. I simply said we're animals. This whole other thing is just your little way of making yourself feel invincible and above everything else. There's plenty of shit that can kill you. Your intelligence may be high, but that doesn't make you above everything else, nor does it make you anything other than just another animal.

[Edited on September 24, 2008 at 1:49 PM. Reason : ]

9/24/2008 1:47:10 PM

incompetence abounds ITT.

9/24/2008 1:55:03 PM

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"yet another example how PETA is okay with exploiting women, just not animals."

right on, sister

9/24/2008 2:00:51 PM

They don't care about humans, just the other animals. It's pretty hypocritical if you ask me, considering the fact that we're animals too.

They'd have no problem sending women to breast milk factories just to prevent cows from being on dairy farms (Most of which are actually set up to keep the cows VERY happy, because happy, stress free cows produce the best milk).

9/24/2008 2:05:24 PM

RAWR
RAWR
RAWR

VIRUSES KILL EVERYTHING AND EVERYONE ALL THE TIME
SHOOT VIRUSES
MEAT IS BAD MEAT IS GOOD
VEGGIES ARE STUPID/GOOD
HUMANS AREN'T SHIT WITHOUT GUNS
WE ARE ALL GONNA DIE

RAWR
RAWR
RAWR

9/24/2008 2:06:19 PM

Yes, they do claim that guns are all that's needed to survive, thus apparently they think they can shoot viruses. Oh and yes, without medicine (Many of which require petroleum to manufacture) lots of bacteria, parasites and viruses can kill you and even with medicines they can still do so. You're right on that "we're all gonna die" thing too.

Point being, you're not above everything else and you certainly are an animal.

[Edited on September 24, 2008 at 2:09 PM. Reason : ]

9/24/2008 2:08:51 PM

glad to see the stupid is still in this thread

9/24/2008 2:09:04 PM

^ Yep, you brought it back.

9/24/2008 2:09:54 PM

actually, it was here before me and when I was gone

9/24/2008 2:10:33 PM

Nah, it's just you.


Well ok, maybe arab13 added a little.

9/24/2008 2:11:05 PM

RAWR
RAWR
RAWR

YOU'RE STUPID!
NO YOU'RE STUPID!


RAWR
RAWR
RAWR

9/24/2008 2:11:40 PM

DURR
DURR

I WORK AT DUKE
SO I'M A WILDERNESS SURVIVAL SPECIALIST

DURR
DURR

9/24/2008 2:14:22 PM

the point is, what does wilderness survival have to do w/ anything?

9/24/2008 2:14:45 PM

that's what I'm still wondering, since he's the only one to really bring it up

9/24/2008 2:15:50 PM

DURR
DURR

I'M NOT AN ANIMAL
I DON'T NEED TO SURVIVE

DURR
DURR

[Edited on September 24, 2008 at 2:16 PM. Reason : ^ You know that statement came straight from the garbage in the PMs you've been sending me.]

9/24/2008 2:16:01 PM

well, since humans theoretically have free will, only those who wanted to sell breastmilk for human consumption would do it, without being under obligation, while the cows don't have free will/choice. I think this is why PETA made this suggestion, but in reality only poor women would sell their milk.

I have seen plenty of unhappy-looking dairy cows standing on concrete pads, hooked into their milkers 24 hours a day with mastitis. The cows will produce to a certain extent whether they are happy or not, because they have recently given birth and constant stimulation of their milk glands keeps creating the proper hormones to induce lactation.

9/24/2008 2:18:28 PM

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"^ You know that statement came straight from the garbage in the PMs you've been sending me."

want to see my sentbox? or better yet, actually read your inbox at all?

[Edited on September 24, 2008 at 2:23 PM. Reason : /done with it]

9/24/2008 2:23:16 PM

THEN YOU WENT TO A SHIT DAIRY FARM SON. GOOD ONES LET THE COW DECIDE WHEN TO MILK ITSELF AND HAVE ROOM AND NICER FLOORS COVERED IN HAY-LIKE ORGANIC MATTER. THEY HAVE ROBOTIC ROLLERS TO SCRATCH THEIR BACKS AND HEADS TOO SON.


^ PLEASE DO POST THE FIRST MESSAGE YOU SENT ME, IT WAS SURE AS FUCK BEFORE THE FIRST ONE I SENT YOU.

[Edited on September 24, 2008 at 2:24 PM. Reason : ]

9/24/2008 2:23:21 PM

Quote :

"From : Arab13 To : SaabTurbo Received : Wednesday September 24, 2008 at 11:14 AM Subject : virus Quote : "Before they've gotten in your body, yes. Once infected, not really." nah, i'm sure humans can kill them in their bodies once they've been infected, (most of them anyways) otherwise you would have been dead long long ago NK, Killer-T, and B-cell antibodies are the major immune cells involved in killing viruses, blocking them, and killing infected cells. medicines are mostly ineffective in viral infections, there are a few classes of drugs that help boost our immune response (anti-virals) but it's more of a mass duplication of small proteins that help us rather than does it for us. "

your point is?

[Edited on September 24, 2008 at 2:25 PM. Reason : ?]

9/24/2008 2:24:58 PM

YOU MESSAGED ME, I DIDN'T MESSAGE YOU. THAT'S THE POINT, TARD.

[Edited on September 24, 2008 at 2:27 PM. Reason : YOU WAN KALKALASH?]

9/24/2008 2:25:54 PM

yes and what does that have to do with being a "WILDERNESS SURVIVAL SPECIALIST"?

9/24/2008 2:27:57 PM

^^your stupidity amazes me, and annoys me. I feel it is time to do away with your posts so my head doesn't explode.

it's been a pain reading your posts, but nevermore, nevermore shall I have to see them.

peace out.

[Edited on September 24, 2008 at 2:28 PM. Reason : ^^]

9/24/2008 2:28:24 PM