I figured, but I thought it would be funny to say that anyway.

9/25/2008 7:23:50 PM

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"Unless you live in Heritage, would you really want to go to that school?"

I think most kids don't put as much thought into the name of their grade schools as you do

OH NOES MY SCHOOL IS NAMED AFTER LEESVILLE ROAD AND I DON'T LIVE ON IT I MUST NOT BELONG!!

9/25/2008 7:29:31 PM

Why is BridgetSPK stuck on the school name thing? It has nothing to do with this situation and it doesn't matter AT ALL. It's a fucking school name, who cares?! It isn't supposed to satisfy everyone, it's just a god damned name dude!

9/25/2008 8:06:44 PM

First of all this had nothing to do with forced bussing. At least 2 of the kids live 4-5 miles away from Wakefield...according to the addresses provided on the WRAL articles. Secondly, the victim was half white...half asian...per the interview the parents did on WRAL. Not that it really matters though.

9/25/2008 8:13:23 PM

oh noes dat 15 year old white half asian looked at me funny; leroy and tyronne we gots to teach da mofo a lesson

show we got that street cred yo!

9/25/2008 9:02:56 PM

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"moron: ^ I remember when you use to say you were black, but that turned out to be a lie. I don't think you are really fat IRL, and you get some amusement by saying that."

I don't remember ever saying I was black. People on here thought I was black for a little while. And I remember saying that I used to tell other people (in person) that I was black to see if I could convince them. It was kind of fun. And I think I just met some sort of weekly limit for saying the word "black."

^^^^But the name is Heritage. You know, as in "I LOVE MY CONFEDERATE FLAG! HERITAGE, NOT HATE!"

And naming the schools after a road makes sense to me. It identifies the location of the school. I'm sure there's a road called Wakefield and Heritage near these schools, but they came with the neighborhood, not before the neighborhood.

I realize I'm alone here, but I think the names we pick for our schools are very important. And it's not just what the kids think...the thoughts of parents and taxpayers and business owners contribute to the atmosphere of the school, as well.

^^^Why do you care that I care so much about the name of the school?

I pretty much jump at the chance to bring this issue up because I think school naming practices are really unfair. And I believe there's quite a bit of politics being done around the issue--unchecked developers are both in cahoots and at odds with the WCPSS. Every little decision is worth scrutinizing, even the names (which I still think is huge).

[Edited on September 25, 2008 at 10:59 PM. Reason : sss]

9/25/2008 10:41:37 PM

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""Didn't take long for the racism to arrive. " "

well it took me about four seconds to make a solid assumption that the perpretators were black

9/25/2008 10:46:50 PM

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"because there's a world full of thugs i have to be racist?"

9/25/2008 10:55:49 PM

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""the truth is that so many black youths idealize and perpetuate the thug life image and cause such problems in our society." "So many?" Can you give me even a rough guess on the percentage, and what you base this off of? "

well take the amount of blacks in a state of corrections if you want

9/25/2008 10:56:42 PM

^Since the judicial system is biased, the number of people in state corrections would not be an accurate representation of reality.

9/25/2008 11:01:12 PM

"you're right, the whole fact that there is a culture rejoicing in this kind of behavior is just a coincedence, btw why don't you take a walk through the wrong side of durham at night and then tell me how crime is only the result of bias,

9/25/2008 11:03:21 PM

^ it's not a coincidence, it's a result of past history, see graph at top of page 3. The point is though that racism (ie hatred based on race) doesn't help fix the problems in anyway.

9/25/2008 11:07:06 PM

eh I see the point you are trying to make but what you are saying is racism made blacks poor (which is true to some extent) but I haven't seen similar criminal statistics between other poor groups nor a culture based on it (rap music for instance)

[Edited on September 25, 2008 at 11:17 PM. Reason : k]

9/25/2008 11:16:06 PM

rap music is no more based on crime than hollywood or almost any other mainstream entertainment medium.

9/25/2008 11:22:22 PM

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"But the name is Heritage. You know, as in "I LOVE MY CONFEDERATE FLAG! HERITAGE, NOT HATE!" And naming the schools after a road makes sense to me. It identifies the location of the school. I'm sure there's a road called Wakefield and Heritage near these schools, but they came with the neighborhood, not before the neighborhood."

You really are sounding silly with this whole thing.

You say that it's cool to name a school after a road because it identifies the location of the school. But if you name the school after the neighborhood, thus identifying the location of the school, YOU'VE DUN FUCKED UP!

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"DOES NOT COMPUTE"

Does this logic also apply to schools named after subdivisions or neighborhoods that don't happen to be upper middle class?

And really, you're thinking waaaaaaaaaay too much about the school names. I would have never of thought of Heritage High School as OMG CONFEDERATE FLAGS KKK!!! until you mentioned it, several times.

9/25/2008 11:36:15 PM

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"^Since the judicial system is biased, the number of people in state corrections would not be an accurate representation of reality."

blah blah blah nice try come again. Surely the white man makes certain peoples gang bang, murder, and steal your car stereo.

9/25/2008 11:37:54 PM

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"eh I see the point you are trying to make but what you are saying is racism made blacks poor (which is true to some extent) but I haven't seen similar criminal statistics between other poor groups nor a culture based on it (rap music for instance)"

Attributing the problems to culture, and attributing them to skin color are on opposite ends of the spectrum, which one is it?

In any case...


Something happened in the 80s that skyrocketed the black incarceration rate. This something is very likely the war on drugs, which actually targeted blacks (crack vs. powder cocaine-- and this actually targeted the poor but blacks are disproportionately poor), among other issues with the war on drugs. Couple this with the studies that show incarceration itself is a positive feedback loop for MORE incarceration, and there's a clear reason why it seems blacks in the US have a problem with crime, that doesn't have to do with skin color. You can even look at the oppressed blacks in India, and it seems due to their cultural history, they actually face a higher victimization level than other groups (I couldn't find statistics on their perpetration rate of crimes).

So if you boil it down to culture, where did black American culture come from? It wasn't Africa, because black Americans are substantially different culturally than black Africans.

[Edited on September 26, 2008 at 12:11 AM. Reason : ]

9/26/2008 12:10:31 AM

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" blah blah blah nice try come again. Surely the white man makes certain peoples gang bang, murder, and steal your car stereo."

its well known and documented that blacks get stiffer charges and harsher sentences for crimes across the board.

9/26/2008 12:38:40 AM

^ That has nothing to do with the act that landed them in the courtroom to begin with.

9/26/2008 12:42:07 AM

^

9/26/2008 1:21:58 AM

^^ not necessarily

if you believe that kids who grow up in bad families are more likely to commit crimes, having parents jailed at a higher rate certainly has a net effect on a group, increasing their chances of committing more crimes.

If you actually care about the reality of the issues, this has a lot of good background information:
http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/Prison_System/Race_Prison_Poverty.html

9/26/2008 1:27:14 AM

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"You really are sounding silly with this whole thing. You say that it's cool to name a school after a road because it identifies the location of the school. But if you name the school after the neighborhood, thus identifying the location of the school, YOU'VE DUN FUCKED UP!"

Roads are different than neighborhoods. To me, there's an obvious distinction.

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"Does this logic also apply to schools named after subdivisions or neighborhoods that don't happen to be upper middle class?"

Yes. Obviously, I wouldn't support changing the name of a school that's been around for a long time. But, in the future, we should not name schools after neighborhoods.

And I want to reemphasize that my concern with this issue revolves around the relationship between developers and our representatives.

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"And really, you're thinking waaaaaaaaaay too much about the school names. I would have never of thought of Heritage High School as OMG CONFEDERATE FLAGS KKK!!! until you mentioned it, several times."

I can't help it that I'm more aware and more sensitive to this shit than you. We all know the connotations of the word, "heritage." And it doesn't have to be white people with confederate flags. I busted that out because you didn't seem to be understanding me. It could mean all-black. Either way, it's fucked up to name a school after a word with those connotations even if they meant to conjure up something like the "rich educational tradition of North Carolina."

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"jprince11: "you're right, the whole fact that there is a culture rejoicing in this kind of behavior is just a coincedence, btw why don't you take a walk through the wrong side of durham at night and then tell me how crime is only the result of bias,"

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"HUR: blah blah blah nice try come again. Surely the white man makes certain peoples gang bang, murder, and steal your car stereo."

Actually, I didn't say any of that. I don't know why you misunderstood me as I made a simple, one-sentence response. Was there a word in the sentence that confused you? Are you befuddled?

9/26/2008 2:04:19 AM

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"Roads are different than neighborhoods."

Except that a lot of main roads, which is generally where schools are built, are named after the area/neighborhood they're in. Like Leesville Road is named after Leesville, Millbrook Road is named after Millbrook, etc.

So it kind of sounds like you're saying you don't want any new school named after its location. I guess we could just give them numbers so we don't offend anyone

9/26/2008 4:15:09 AM

The American Heritage dictionary - racist as fuck.

Bridget, the more I see you post the more I wish you'd just stop. Sometimes I wonder if you even live in the same world as I do Sometimes I think that you'd argue that the sky is actually green if it suited your purpose. Your view of reality is so skewed by your own biases that you can't see past them for even a moment, meanwhile you incessantly berate others for their biases. Rather than admit the possibility that you're wrong you frequently delude yourself or become intentionally obtuse in order to avoid any self examination. Frankly, you're probably the most intellectually dishonest person I've ever had the displeasure of "meeting" on the internet.

9/26/2008 7:37:56 AM

black hole??? what you say ??? You mean a white hole??

9/26/2008 8:22:48 AM

The war on drugs didn't target black people or poor people. It targeted crackheads and their enablers. I'm sure someone is going to point out the demographics of crackheads, but it really doesn't matter. THEY'RE FUCKING CRACKHEADS.

[Edited on September 26, 2008 at 8:44 AM. Reason : l]

9/26/2008 8:27:02 AM

I don't think that we should be adding another word to that lexicon of "Offensive Words that you're never allowed to use because certain people will twist it to imply racism"

Heritage is a word....just a word.....until someone starts defining a group with that word (i.e. Whites describing slaves as "niggardly"; SPK lumping Southern whites in with the KKK and "heritage") just leave it be. There is no implied message, no secret society behind the naming of schools.

Its worse to attend a school with a directional name.....its harder to get behind a school that is named just like 20 others

9/26/2008 8:46:47 AM

I never would have associated the word "Heritage" with white power KKK until Bridget said it.

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"ts well known and documented that blacks get stiffer charges and harsher sentences for crimes across the board."

Well if they did not commit the crime in the first place they would not have to worry about harsher sentences now would they.

[Edited on September 26, 2008 at 11:09 AM. Reason : a]

9/26/2008 11:07:45 AM

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"I can't help it that I'm more aware and more sensitive to this shit than you. We all know the connotations of the word, "heritage.""

We shouldn't all have to tip toe around and keep removing words from our vocabulary so that thugs wont beat up our children. It has NOTHING to do with the school name and the word heritage has nothing to do with the confederate flag. Heritage can refer to ANY fucking heritage, it doesn't mean "confederate flag." Anybody that thinks that is just looking for something to get mad about.

Have you ever noticed that only white people have to get rid of these words? I'm sure you think that black people should still be "allowed" to use the word heritage.

[Edited on September 26, 2008 at 2:11 PM. Reason : ]

9/26/2008 2:10:05 PM

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"wolfpackgrrr: Except that a lot of main roads, which is generally where schools are built, are named after the area/neighborhood they're in. Like Leesville Road is named after Leesville, Millbrook Road is named after Millbrook, etc. So it kind of sounds like you're saying you don't want any new school named after its location. I guess we could just give them numbers so we don't offend anyone"

Leesville is a township of Raleigh. It's got a whole lot of neighborhoods in it. Wakefield is one, single neighborhood. And I get it...you don't see a problem with naming a public school that's going to feed from all over Wake County and have lots of kids from lots of different neighborhoods after one, single neighborhood. I do. And, despite pretty much everyone telling me I'm wrong, I'm not going to change my mind. Names are powerful. They matter.

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"Kurtis636: The American Heritage dictionary - racist as fuck."

I'm not suggesting that the word, "heritage," is automatically racist. It's got a lot of different connotations. But when you see a neighborhood or a golf course or a political organization with the word "heritage" in its name, you should think twice about what images and thoughts they're trying to evoke.

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"Skack: The war on drugs didn't target black people or poor people. It targeted crackheads and their enablers. I'm sure someone is going to point out the demographics of crackheads, but it really doesn't matter. THEY'RE FUCKING CRACKHEADS."

I'm afraid you've got a case of "crack hysteria." A lot of people had it in the 80's. They made up all these stories about thousands of crack babies and did specials about crack whores every other day on the nightly news. They also passed the most punitive laws this nation has seen in modern times.

It's funny though. Meth is just as detrimental to our communities as crack. Yet...no hysteria. I wonder if that has anything to do with that demographics stuff you mentioned? Hmmm...

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"Locke: I don't think that we should be adding another word to that lexicon of "Offensive Words that you're never allowed to use because certain people will twist it to imply racism" Heritage is a word....just a word.....until someone starts defining a group with that word (i.e. Whites describing slaves as "niggardly"; SPK lumping Southern whites in with the KKK and "heritage") just leave it be. There is no implied message, no secret society behind the naming of schools. Its worse to attend a school with a directional name.....its harder to get behind a school that is named just like 20 others"

I don't want to add "heritage" to a list of words people can't use. I just want people to acknowledge that it has certain connotations, that when a developer names a neighborhood Heritage, he or she picked that name for a reason.

I'm a Southern white, and I'm irrationally proud to be born and raised in North Carolina--I'm proud of my heritage. I would never lump myself in with the KKK. I haven't even mentioned the KKK. You guys gotta stop making things up.

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"HUR: I never would have associated the word "Heritage" with white power KKK until Bridget said it."

I never mentioned white power or the KKK. All I mentioned was the confederate flag and "heritage, not hate." Could it be that you associate words like "heritage, not hate" and "confederate flag" with white power and the KKK?

No, because that would be admitting that words have meanings outside their denotations.

[Edited on September 26, 2008 at 2:12 PM. Reason : sss]

9/26/2008 2:11:12 PM

I'm friends with his older sister. For the record they're not jewish haha.

According to what I've heard, one of the guys hit DJ with a tennis ball for no reason. After he turned around to confront him he was jumped and knocked unconscious. Apparently when he was still out, they stomped on his head and continued kicking him on the ground. They will be tried as adults. I've met DJ's dad and I would not want to fuck with that guy. They will pay one way or the other.

9/26/2008 2:31:15 PM

BridgetSPK

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"^^^^But the name is Heritage. You know, as in "I LOVE MY CONFEDERATE FLAG! HERITAGE, NOT HATE!""

wolfpackgrrr

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"And really, you're thinking waaaaaaaaaay too much about the school names. I would have never of thought of Heritage High School as OMG CONFEDERATE FLAGS KKK!!! until you mentioned it, several times."

HUR

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"I never would have associated the word "Heritage" with white power KKK until Bridget said it."

To be fair, you did make your original wording appear to imply more than you meant when you capitalized the entire thing. You can't blame people for poor reading skills when you decide to write something by capitalizing every letter

9/26/2008 2:38:05 PM

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"Heritage can refer to ANY fucking heritage, it doesn't mean "confederate flag." Anybody that thinks that is just looking for something to get mad about. "

DAMN RIGHT

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"Wakefield is one, single neighborhood"

Who gives a flying fuck. ZOMG a school named after a rich snobby neighborhood. I GUARANTEE that you do not
have a problem with my middle school being named Crestdale. Crestdale being the one of the few lower class
neighborhoods in my home town. At least this makes the minorities and less affluent feel more welcome as they get off
the school bus with all the rich kids being dropped off in the BMW/Lexus/Mercedes their parents drive; right Bridget!

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"you should think twice about what images and thoughts they're trying to evoke. "

The only reason it even has a double meaning is because you whiny liberals and the "sensitive" minorities
append it. Likely any negative association, if at all, intended to be in the name died out decades ago if it is an older club, course
, or neighborhood.

I am proud of my white heritage Bridget. Is this a problem with you? My mom's side of the family were scots that were kicked out of
Scotland and who came to settled during the 1700's in the NC peidmont area which eventually became Charlotte.
Likely at some point.....

*gasp*

some ancestor of mine may have owned a slave. ZOMG, I guess I am the son of the devil and need my paycheck devoured
in order to pay reparations due the actions of some guy that died 200 years before I was born.

9/26/2008 3:04:45 PM

[Edited on September 26, 2008 at 3:06 PM. Reason : Hang on.]

9/26/2008 3:06:02 PM

HUR is always so up in arms about reparations, even when nobody has mentioned it and in fact it has nothing to do with the discussion at hand.

9/26/2008 3:27:34 PM

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"SaabTurbo: We shouldn't all have to tip toe around and keep removing words from our vocabulary so that thugs wont beat up our children."

Of course not.

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"SaabTurbo: It has NOTHING to do with the school name"

I believe the school's name does affect the atmosphere of the school, and the atmosphere does affect the students' behavior. It's not an excuse or a justification for brutallly beating people, you're correct.

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"SaabTurbo: and the word heritage has nothing to do with the confederate flag."

The word, "heritage," does connote the confederate flag to some people. That doesn't mean it should never be used, but we should acknowledge that it's a powerful word.

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"SaabTurbo: Heritage can refer to ANY fucking heritage, it doesn't mean "confederate flag." Anybody that thinks that is just looking for something to get mad about."

Of course, heritage can refer to any heritage. To some people, their heritage includes the confederate flag. I used to own a confederate flag beach towel, for example. The reds ran into the whites when I washed it so it was all pink and shit.

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"SaabTurbo: Have you ever noticed that only white people have to get rid of these words? I'm sure you think that black people should still be "allowed" to use the word heritage."

Yes, I've noticed that. And I think everybody should be allowed to use the word, "heritage."

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"Lavim: To be fair, you did make your original wording appear to imply more than you meant when you capitalized the entire thing. You can't blame people for poor reading skills when you decide to write something by capitalizing every letter."

This is likely true.

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"HUR: Who gives a flying fuck. ZOMG a school named after a rich snobby neighborhood. I GUARANTEE that you do not have a problem with my middle school being named Crestdale. Crestdale being the one of the few lower class neighborhoods in my home town. At least this makes the minorities and less affluent feel more welcome as they get off the school bus with all the rich kids being dropped off in the BMW/Lexus/Mercedes their parents drive; right Bridget!"

I don't think any public school should be named after a neighborhood, affluent or otherwise. I've already said that. I also said that I wouldn't support going back in time and changing school names. And, once again, I also already said that the rhetoric about luxury cars is really old. There's nothing wrong with having money.

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"HUR: The only reason it even has a double meaning is because you whiny liberals and the "sensitive" minorities append it. Likely any negative association, if at all, intended to be in the name died out decades ago if it is an older club, course, or neighborhood."

No, it has another meaning because racists adopted it to justify their racism.

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"HUR: Bridget. Is this a problem with you? My mom's side of the family were scots that were kicked out of Scotland and who came to settled during the 1700's in the NC peidmont area which eventually became Charlotte. Likely at some point..... *gasp* some ancestor of mine may have owned a slave. ZOMG, I guess I am the son of the devil and need my paycheck devoured in order to pay reparations due the actions of some guy that died 200 years before I was born."

I've also got a long history in NC. I'm 14th generation. An extensive examination of our family tree has revealed a total of one ancestor who might have had enough money to own a another human being. I'm not sure how any of that really matters in this discussion.

I also find it amusing that you won't admit that the word, "heritage," has certain connotations when it apparently just inspired you to foam at the mouth about reparations and nobody even mentioned that topic.

[Edited on September 26, 2008 at 4:06 PM. Reason : One last edit and then I'm getting a life.]

9/26/2008 4:02:36 PM

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" Well if they did not commit the crime in the first place they would not have to worry about harsher sentences now would they."

exactly. so blacks have to be extra good or they are going to prison for crimes that wouldn't necessarily land whites in prison.

9/26/2008 4:14:34 PM

^fucking regardless, anyone involved in such an act of violence should pay the penalty. IM ALL INCLUSIVE

9/26/2008 4:22:33 PM

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"I'm afraid you've got a case of "crack hysteria." A lot of people had it in the 80's. They made up all these stories about thousands of crack babies and did specials about crack whores every other day on the nightly news. They also passed the most punitive laws this nation has seen in modern times. It's funny though. Meth is just as detrimental to our communities as crack. Yet...no hysteria. I wonder if that has anything to do with that demographics stuff you mentioned? Hmmm..."

Sorry Bridget. It's not crack hysteria from watching the news. It's crack hatering as a result of seeing the effects first hand.

I agree that meth is just as hard on the body (if not worse), but I don't know that the impact to our communities is the same. Maybe it's the result of meth being a rural drug that people just don't pay as much attention, but I highly suspect that meth has not done anywhere near the amount of damage that crack was doing in the 80's. A lot of urban areas declined so much when crack hit that they provided barely better living conditions than those afforded to people in 3rd world countries. That is visible. That is something you can plaster on the news and get people's attention. The US Government had a responsibility to do something. Right or wrong, the war on drugs was their answer.

Meth is entirely different just because of the nature of production. The government can make ephedrine/pseudoephedrine more difficult to purchase in quantity. They didn't have that option with crack. Cocaine was already illegal and putting a ban on baking soda was not an option.

It will be interesting to see how it changes now that less meth is being produced at home and more is being produced by criminal cartels in Mexico. I have a feeling it will still be treated more like cocaine than crack as long as it's usage does not have another sharp spike in popularity.

I know sentencing for crack is much stricter than cocaine, but to be honest I have no idea how sentencing for meth is done. I have a feeling sentencing for meth production/trafficking is very harsh. Are you telling me that sentencing is less strict with meth than it is with crack? If so, what is your source?

[Edited on September 26, 2008 at 4:27 PM. Reason : l]

9/26/2008 4:26:09 PM

Bridget, you need to shut the fuck up. I graduated from Wake Forest-Rolesville High School and attended there right during the time Wake Forest began blowing up and Heritage was nothing but a construction yard. In the many years I was there, as the Heritage schools were constructed and it became a full fledged neighborhood, I never - NOT EVEN ONCE - heard somebody bitching about something so trivial as the connotations of the word "Heritage". The thought had never even crossed my mind, or anybody else's mind from that area that I knew of, until you came up in this thread spewing your bullshit in all directions.

The fact that you think naming a school after a neighborhood is a catalyst for all these supposed negative effects is an incredibly stupid and incredulous thought to me. What the fuck is wrong with you?

9/26/2008 10:59:47 PM

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"Didn't take long for the racism to arrive."

Of course the racism arrived. Have you seen the pictures of the criminals that did this? Must be nice to be so naive to think those three guys wouldn't all commit felonies at some point in their lives.

[Edited on September 26, 2008 at 11:14 PM. Reason : sp]

9/26/2008 11:13:57 PM

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"I believe the school's name does affect the atmosphere of the school"

Carnage Middle School is pure mayhem!!!

9/26/2008 11:15:25 PM

I went to Southeast Raleigh. . . . . .

9/26/2008 11:32:32 PM

I teach at Ligon.

9/26/2008 11:37:26 PM

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""Heritage". The thought had never even crossed my mind, or anybody else's mind from that area that I knew of, until you came up in this thread spewing your bullshit in all directions"

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""Heritage". The thought had never even crossed my mind, or anybody else's mind from that area that I knew of, until you came up in this thread spewing your bullshit in all directions"

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""Heritage". The thought had never even crossed my mind, or anybody else's mind from that area that I knew of, until you came up in this thread spewing your bullshit in all directions "

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""Heritage". The thought had never even crossed my mind, or anybody else's mind from that area that I knew of, until you came up in this thread spewing your bullshit in all directions"

I have come to the conclusion that all card carrying liberal democrats are in reality enablers to the plight within which the black community experiences. With their coddling and safety economic hammock they have given the room for minorities to be like "yeah its the white establishment holding us down" or whenever they get in trouble it is "racism in the judicial system after a brother". This is not 1956; I think most people in today of more of a problem with a particular person's mindset versus arbitrary skin color.

9/27/2008 3:15:01 AM

lock these guys up forever, and lock up bridgetspk with them

9/27/2008 3:59:35 AM

This kid was on the news this morning.

FUCK THE PIECES OF SHIT THAT DID THIS. I HOPE THEY GET RAPED AND BEATEN DAILY IN PRISON BY MULTIPLE GROUPS OF LARGE ADULT MALES.

9/27/2008 6:10:43 AM

wow this is prty srs

9/27/2008 9:49:48 AM

Has anyone reported what was done to provoke this? or are they just playing it as a random beating?

9/27/2008 11:23:06 AM

I could see the name Heritage being a problem depending on how it got the name . But if you just pulled the name out of a bag, I can't see how anyone would care.

9/27/2008 12:48:07 PM