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"DO YOU REALLY THINK THAT NO ONE HAS ALREADY "CHECKED THIS OUT""

Consider how McCain seems to have chosen Palin. We may be assuming too much competence.

10/27/2008 1:14:39 AM

how in the flying fuck did this get to 4 pages?

10/27/2008 1:24:11 AM

^False accusation -> proof provided -> denial of proof -> repetition and affirmation of proof -> denial of proof -> exasperated dismissals of accusation -> change of subject/accusation and continued denial of proof -> REPEAT

10/27/2008 2:38:36 AM

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"Hawaii officials declare Obama birth certificate genuine Associated Press State officials say there's no doubt Barack Obama was born in Hawai'i. Health Department Director Dr. Chiyome Fukino said today she and the registrar of vital statistics, Alvin Onaka, have personally verified that the health department holds Obama's original birth certificate. Fukino says that no state official, including Republican Gov. Linda Lingle, ever instructed that Obama's certificate be handled differently. She says state law bars release of a certified birth certificate to anyone who does not have a tangible interest. Some Obama critics claim he was not born in the U.S. Earlier today, a southwest Ohio magistrate rejected a challenge to Obama's citizenship. Judges in Seattle and Philadelphia recently dismissed similar suits."

http://www.honoluluadvertiser.com/article/20081031/BREAKING01/81031064/0/BREAKING04

The whole state of Hawaii is in on it too!!!

11/1/2008 4:23:30 PM

well, we don't really need hawaii in the US anyhow.

they're one of those anti-american states

11/1/2008 7:15:54 PM

i like it. let's get a couple people together to go walk into a room and walk out and say "yep, it's genuine!" That'll prove everything

11/1/2008 7:23:02 PM

what would be funny is if you were joking.

but you actually BELIEVE this bullshit.

i swear, i don't know if you people are just plain stupid, or actually deranged, in a DSM IV sort of way



do you know, that all I have for my son, is a "Certificate of Live Birth" from the State of Washington?

that's it. that's all we got. it looks exactly like Obama's, except with a different state seal. we don't have anything else.

so i guess by your logic, my son was also born in Kenya. or whatever country you feel like making up.

11/1/2008 9:36:58 PM

^^I am very glad you abstained from voting. You're letting someone with some sense have a free vote.

11/1/2008 10:30:00 PM

you do realize there is more to this case than the birth certificate, right? Like the very real fact that Obama had to have been an Indonesian citizen at some point in his life, right? Moreover, the mere fact that Obama has an official birth certificate does NOT mean that it was not based on falsified information in the first place. You know, something that was part of the initial lawsuit anyway. But hey, who gives a damned about the facts when it comes to the Messiah, right?

11/1/2008 11:58:26 PM

what the hell do you want? the actual doctor and nurses that were in the delivery room to come forward and say that obama passed through a birth canal, in hawaii?

11/2/2008 12:01:14 AM

well, considering that we don't even know that he was born in a hospital, I'd say that could be a start. Of course, I suppose you don't care that he is an Indonesian citizen, do you?

11/2/2008 12:03:31 AM

i don't give 2 shits that obama has lived in indonesia, and has maybe been considered a citizen of that country. maybe you do.

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11/2/2008 12:06:29 AM

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"but you actually BELIEVE this bullshit. i swear, i don't know if you people are just plain stupid, or actually deranged, in a DSM IV sort of way "

burro HAS to be trolling at this point.

11/2/2008 12:08:08 AM

One of the fun things about Obama's presidency is going to be seeing people like aaronburro blow fuses and lose their freaking minds.

11/2/2008 12:10:43 AM

wait, what? is being born in a hospital a prerequisite for being President now? Because, i'm pretty sure when the Constitution was written, most of those guys weren't born in hospitals....

11/2/2008 12:13:01 AM

^I think he was implying that Obama was born in some sort of back room of a secret evil organization... or maybe in poor, super-secret conditions in a third-world country... or maybe he's implying that Africa has no hospitals and that Obama was born there. But I don't think his point was asserting that a president must be hospital-born.

11/2/2008 12:29:18 AM

^ ummm, no, it's not. But it does help solidify the claim that Obama wasn't flown in on an airplane to the US and claimed as a US-born child, which is kind of the point here. BTW, Malagoat, you do realize that one cannot hold dual citizenship with Indonesia and another country, right? Which would mean *gasp* that Obama is NOT a natural-born US citizen. At best he could only be a naturalized citizen. But nah, fuck that damned Constitution. It's been getting in the way of our freedoms since 1776 right?

11/2/2008 12:29:43 AM

Going to any length, no matter the ridiculousness...

11/2/2008 12:35:06 AM

Ignoring the Constitution, no matter what the consequences

11/2/2008 12:40:49 AM

^You could easily put that caption on both parties.

11/2/2008 12:42:28 AM

arronburro, so, you are saying, that Obama was born in the United States but isnt a natural born citizen because he lived in Indonesia a couple years? So that immediately takes away where he was born? Your nuts....it is gonna be a fun 4 (probably 8) years for yah!

arronburro will go off about school in Indonesia, how do you know they justed didnt enroll him without changing a thing? gasp....I am sure they checked each and everyone of the kids...they probably just looked at the skin color and assumed

11/2/2008 1:10:31 AM

Why should only natural-born Americans be allowed to become president, anyway?

11/2/2008 1:33:34 AM

^I think it's based on the idea that being born in America somehow ensures your loyalty to the country... or at least on the idea that being born outside the country means that you're more likely to be a traitor.

11/2/2008 1:37:40 AM

^ why isn't that a "equal but separate" status? You're a citizen, and can do everything every other citizen can do, except be president?

It seems to be antithetical to other aspects of the constitution.

If people really though someone wasn't fit for president, regardless of where they're born, they wouldn't elect them. Why have a rule on the books that sets non-native-born citizens to automatically be lesser Americans than native-born citizens, for the simple fact of where they were born?

[Edited on November 2, 2008 at 1:45 AM. Reason : ]

11/2/2008 1:44:49 AM

In this case, at least, seems like a technicality. If the conspiracy theories turn out to be true, it'd be an incredibility lame way to defeat Obama.

11/2/2008 1:45:16 AM

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"In this case, at least, seems like a technicality. If the conspiracy theories turn out to be true, it'd be an incredibility lame way to defeat Obama."

I'd laugh if it turned out to be true. There is a national uproar because of it (Obama wins, but isn't sworn in). Constitution is changed to allow for foreign born citizens to become president, then we have President Schwarzenegger in 2012.

11/2/2008 1:08:51 AM

Consider running for president it one of the privileges of being born in the U.S. That way someone from China or another country with a lot of money can't come in and buy and election. But, I think it was meant for back in the day when we won our independence for England. Today the most a special interest can do is groom someone who is already a natural born citizen. Why would we want someone from another country coming here and running ours.

[Edited on November 2, 2008 at 4:51 AM. Reason : /]

11/2/2008 4:47:16 AM

This thread made my brain hurt

11/2/2008 5:09:13 AM

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"arronburro, so, you are saying, that Obama was born in the United States but isnt a natural born citizen because he lived in Indonesia a couple years? So that immediately takes away where he was born? Your nuts....it is gonna be a fun 4 (probably 8) years for yah!"

It's not just that he lived there for a couple years. He had to be an Indonesian citizen in order to go to their schools. He very much went to their schools, so it only logically follows that was an Indonesian citizen. I know, fuck that whole Constitution thing, it gets in the way too much, right?

11/2/2008 3:27:03 PM

11/2/2008 3:36:18 PM

i think burro has lost his mind

11/2/2008 3:37:30 PM

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"Ignoring the Constitution, no matter what the consequences"

I forgot George Dubya was a Dem

11/2/2008 3:58:03 PM

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"No Person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President; neither shall any Person be eligible to that Office who shall not have attained to the Age of thirty five Years, and been fourteen Years a Resident within the United States."

natural born citizen- check
fourteen years a resident- check
35 years old- check

11/2/2008 4:23:34 PM

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"It's not just that he lived there for a couple years. He had to be an Indonesian citizen in order to go to their schools. He very much went to their schools, so it only logically follows that was an Indonesian citizen."

Due to Indonesia and the US not sharing dual citizenship, couldn't Obama have lived in a different country that allowed dual citizenship, and he would have still retained his citizenship?

11/2/2008 4:29:41 PM

he absolutely could have. but he didn't. By definition, he would have surrendered his US citizenship when he became an Indonesian citizen. Thus, he would no longer be a natural born US citizen.

people like ^^ don't seem to understand this concept

11/2/2008 5:48:23 PM

Could he not have been born a US citizen, become a resident of Indonesia, and then return to American citizenship at least fourteen years prior to running for president?

How does a change in citizenship, even renouncing one's former citizenship, somehow cancel out the fact that said person was born as a citizen at one time? Or is there just some illogical legal precedent to state the opposite that exists in these cases?


(Also, this is all assuming that the country of Indonesia would even have bothered to check the citizenship of every black school kid that got admitted, which I doubt they would)

[Edited on November 2, 2008 at 5:55 PM. Reason : .]

11/2/2008 5:54:09 PM

HAWAII HAD ONLY BEEN A STATE FOR TWO YEARS BEFORE HE WAS BORN


OMFG

11/2/2008 5:57:13 PM

the constitution never defines what a "natural-born citizen" is. The us code, however, fills in those gaps:
http://www4.law.cornell.edu/uscode/html/uscode08/usc_sec_08_00001401----000-.html

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" * Anyone born inside the United States * Any Indian or Eskimo born in the United States, provided being a citizen of the U.S. does not impair the person's status as a citizen of the tribe * Any one born outside the United States, both of whose parents are citizens of the U.S., as long as one parent has lived in the U.S. * Any one born outside the United States, if one parent is a citizen and lived in the U.S. for at least one year and the other parent is a U.S. national * Any one born in a U.S. possession, if one parent is a citizen and lived in the U.S. for at least one year * Any one found in the U.S. under the age of five, whose parentage cannot be determined, as long as proof of non-citizenship is not provided by age 21 * Any one born outside the United States, if one parent is an alien and as long as the other parent is a citizen of the U.S. who lived in the U.S. for at least five years (with military and diplomatic service included in this time) * A final, historical condition: a person born before 5/24/1934 of an alien father and a U.S. citizen mother who has lived in the U.S. "

i mean we can keep going along with this, or we can just turn to what the judge said

11/2/2008 6:20:39 PM

^^^ well, if he renounces his citizenship, then he can become a citizen again by naturalization. Which would not be natural born, by definition.

^ btw, the judge in PA did NOT rule that Obama was a natural born citizen. He ruled that the PA AG had no legal grounds to bring the case. In short, the judge didn't give a shit about the Constitution, either

11/2/2008 7:49:39 PM

he ruled that the case was a joke and cited related cases

11/2/2008 8:00:46 PM

ummm, no, he didn't. nice try. he ruled that the AG had no legal basis to bring the case.

11/2/2008 8:01:37 PM

Hey aaronburro, did you hear that 9/11 was an inside job?

Fact.

11/2/2008 8:04:26 PM

^x4 see ^x5

Even if he is... re-naturalized, I suppose, it still fits the definition of "natural born citizen", given that the definition includes

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"* Anyone born inside the United States"

This line would imply that one's natural-born citizen status cannot logically be removed by any future conditions, provided that they were born in the US. It's a simple check... If you can ask "Was he born in the US?" and the answer is "Yes", then anything else is irrelevant with regards to natural-born status.

11/2/2008 8:07:21 PM

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"he absolutely could have. but he didn't. By definition, he would have surrendered his US citizenship when he became an Indonesian citizen. Thus, he would no longer be a natural born US citizen."

Umm... no. Where are you getting your info from? The only way this would happen is if his mom said "I don't want to be a US citizen anymore." Her simply marrying an indonesian doesn't renounce their US citizenship, and I don't think she ever renounced her citizenship anyway considering she came back to live in the US after Indonesia.

http://travel.state.gov/travel/cis_pa_tw/cis/cis_1753.html It seems once you're a natural born citizen (or a citizen, period), the only way to lose that status is to declare your intent to renounce citizenship. Otherwise, as long as you don't do this, you retain your American citizenship.

The only way for Obama to be a "naturalized" citizen is if either him (past age 18 IIRC) or his mom went through the naturalization process (the thing where they have to recite the pledge you usually see on TV), and this obviously didn't happen. They wouldn't have been made to go through this process.

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"people like ^^ don't seem to understand this concept"

LOL, I REALLY hope you're trolling and don't believe the idiocy you're spewing. It's funny you're trying to assert others don't understand something, when you yourself clearly don't understand. I'm much prefer you to be a troll than a blatant idiot.

11/2/2008 8:15:16 PM

you are correct, he would have to go through the naturalization process in order to be a citizen again. He's an illegal alien!!! OMFG!!!

11/2/2008 8:32:31 PM

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"in order to be a citizen again"

So you agree he was born a citizen, at least?

Then there's nothing to discuss.

11/2/2008 8:33:32 PM

well, this is, of course, under the assumption that he was a US citizen to begin with. jackass

11/2/2008 8:34:35 PM

Can we really call something that has the full support of credible evidence to be an assumption?

11/2/2008 8:36:27 PM

^^Wait, so he wasn't one, then was one, then wasn't one again, then was one?

Could we get a time line, please?

^ You call legal documents "proof?" Please, sheep.

[Edited on November 2, 2008 at 8:43 PM. Reason : ]

11/2/2008 8:42:15 PM

BREAKING NEWS!!!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZNdJ5zGRow4

11/2/2008 8:42:41 PM