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"How old is Fowler? Any chance of retirement? Hitting the life expectancy age? Seems like the only way we'll be rid of him."

I'll shoot him for $1,000,000 free...that should solve things.

3/13/2009 2:10:25 AM

Fire the motherfucker.

3/13/2009 6:34:36 AM

Bump.

He will probably claim Darrion Caldwell and Kristin Davies won National Championships because of our facilities.

3/26/2009 1:42:06 AM

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"The first page of this thread is way better than this one"

3/26/2009 8:27:19 AM

yes, ncsu sports are awful. But we at least can support the Canes!

3/26/2009 9:36:24 AM

Bump.

Lee is getting bashed in the Sidney thread.

Lee bashing should go here.

4/2/2009 12:29:16 AM

Welp...http://www.wralsportsfan.com/ncsu/story/4924361/

4/9/2009 5:13:11 PM

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"and could not be Thursday afternoon"

4/9/2009 5:24:04 PM

^^that is seriously the last straw for me. I wasnt a fan of him but now I really want him gone ASAP

4/9/2009 5:29:55 PM

The dance Team is the lowest ranked ACC school after day 1 of the NDA Nationals. They are going to be a varsity sport next year. FIRE LEE FOWLER!

4/9/2009 5:35:51 PM

LMAO, it all hinges on the performance of the dance team for B4C

4/9/2009 5:41:44 PM

^I couldn't resist saying it since nationals are today!

4/9/2009 5:47:44 PM

^^^^ Yow, just Yow. They should have given her a second Glance

4/9/2009 6:32:18 PM

I don't think a coach has any business declaring a successor if they haven't won a National Championship, plus promoting the loyal assistant almost never works out well...as much as I hate Fowler this seems like the best move.

4/9/2009 6:54:54 PM

This is bad for Fowler, since it was public knowledge that Yow wanted Glance to succeed her. Bullshit about winning a championship is the only way someone can name a successor. Kay Yow coached at NC State for 34 years until she couldn't coach anymore. She had every right to name a successor. Fowler should have at the very least given Glance a 3 year contract to see how it panned out.

4/9/2009 7:29:37 PM

^You have a point there. The coach better be above average that they get otherwise they should have just kept her, so the program can stay where it is at.

4/9/2009 7:36:24 PM

what made me even angrier was when they were like "well maybe they'll trade down"

i mean i'm all for giving someone new or green a chance, but coach glance deserves a shot

[Edited on April 9, 2009 at 8:11 PM. Reason : +]

4/9/2009 8:11:35 PM

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"I don't think a coach has any business declaring a successor if they haven't won a National Championship, plus promoting the loyal assistant almost never works out well...as much as I hate Fowler this seems like the best move."

4/9/2009 8:12:41 PM

Haven't read the thread, but for those that don't think the job should automatically go to Glance for at least a couple years...are you retarded?

It's womens bball. As much as Yow was a legacy here, the womens bball program has been in a bit of a pernicious slump for quite awhile now. Ignoring your dieing coaches wish because you suddenly think you can get someone in here that might get a non revenue program on the up and up is about the dumbest thing I have ever heard. Seriously, who the hell do we expect to get, and if the bball team improves 25-40% 3 years from now as opposed to 5 years from now (2 years to evaluate Glance and if shes really not working out it will be clear after two years and you can show her the door) do you really give a shit? It isn't like we are riding a high streak and this is a top notch job that coaches are beating our door down for. Even with a great coach, just how many quality female ball players out there left after the UNCs/Dukes/UConns/UTs get done snapping them up...are they really going to give NCSU a look? This is unreal.

4/9/2009 8:32:20 PM

dying wish or not, yow was a hall of famer and deserves to name her successor based on that alone

glance should get a shot

[Edited on April 9, 2009 at 9:25 PM. Reason : give glance a chance]

4/9/2009 9:18:17 PM

it's not as if kay yow fielded good teams or did anything nationally. she's like herb sendek but for 30 years. why does everyone want glance to take over so badly?

nevermind, it's b/c no one actually cares about women's basketball, just the image of kay yow.

[Edited on April 9, 2009 at 9:29 PM. Reason : ^^ lol, i guess he beat me to it, except that he's apparently dying for glance.]

4/9/2009 9:28:15 PM

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"t's not as if kay yow fielded good teams or did anything nationally"

she ranked as the fifth winningest active coaches in division 1 women's basketball at the time of her death and had been on and off the sidelines since being diagnosed in 87.

4/9/2009 9:37:42 PM

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"it's not as if kay yow fielded good teams or did anything nationally."

I guess winning a gold medal doesn't mean shit, right? Or compiling a career ~.680 record doesn't mean shit, right? Or thirty three years at the same university doesn't mean shit, right?

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"why does everyone want glance to take over so badly?"

Because someone that bleeds redder than you and I ever have or ever will and poured in 33 years of their life into our great institution wanted it that way? Why is this so ffucking hard to understand?

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"nevermind, it's b/c no one actually cares about women's basketball, just the image of kay yow."

Ok, and? Seriously, and? Not giving womens bball the fullest extent of your care is just more reason to see Glance, of Yows wishes, get a shot.

4/9/2009 9:49:09 PM

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"she ranked as the fifth winningest active coaches in division 1 women's basketball at the time of her death and had been on and off the sidelines since being diagnosed in 87."

yeah, over like fifty years. nevermind that she started doing this when no one gave a fuck, at all, about women's basketball.

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"I guess winning a gold medal doesn't mean shit, right? Or compiling a career ~.680 record doesn't mean shit, right? Or thirty three years at the same university doesn't mean shit, right?"

33 years at the university does not automatically mean she had good results. a gold medal has NOTHING to do w/ nc state basketball. i mean seriously, a gold fucking medal? that was in 1988. who else in the world came anywhere close to fielding any sort of women's basketball team? remember how badly the dream team used to roll people? it wasn't b/c of coaching, it was b/c no one else in the world played basketball. now i wasn't watching in '88, partly b/c i was a year old and mostly b/c i can't stand watching women's basketball, but i can only imagine how lopsided those games were.

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"Because someone that bleeds redder than you and I ever have or ever will and poured in 33 years of their life into our great institution wanted it that way? Why is this so ffucking hard to understand?"

where's that guy who's been to every football game, home and away, for the last 40 years or whatever it is? let's let him pick the coach if those are the qualifications. how long do you stick w/ glance b/c it's the way kay yow wanted it? just forever, she's the women's bb coach no matter what?

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"Ok, and? Seriously, and? Not giving womens bball the fullest extent of your care is just more reason to see Glance, of Yows wishes, get a shot."

i really don't care if she gets the job or not, but everyone complains about how bad our sports are overall. people talk about how badly we do in the directors' cup and point that right at lee fowler, and then get mad at him when he doesn't pick a coach who, in all honesty, is more than likely not going to do well. that's absolutely fucking stupid.


and just for good measure, i'm going to repost this, in bold. people talk about how badly we do in the directors' cup and point that right at lee fowler, and then get mad at him when he doesn't pick a coach who, in all honesty, is more than likely not going to do well. that's absolutely fucking stupid.

[Edited on April 9, 2009 at 10:26 PM. Reason : a bunch of hypocrits, i tell you.]

4/9/2009 10:10:05 PM

Oh God,


simonn's pissed

4/9/2009 10:22:42 PM

simonn definitely has a good point

4/9/2009 10:25:10 PM

the bottom line is, fowler shouldn't have waited this long to start a coaching search if he wasn't going to keep glance.

4/9/2009 10:33:58 PM

He should have given the job to Glance. No one really cares about women's bball like they do for football or men's bball, so you might as well grant Yow her wish.

4/9/2009 10:34:34 PM

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"people talk about how badly we do in the directors' cup"

who talks about this?

4/9/2009 10:40:06 PM

i think what he was trying to say is how people shit on fowler because all sports are bad

director's cup=all sports

4/9/2009 10:45:20 PM

as much as it is the smart PR move to promote Glance, when has promoting a loyal assistant to a legendary coach worked out? almost never. Yow was a good coach and did a great deal for this university but she was not one of the ELITE coaches in women's basketball. Even in situations where an elite coach is naming a successor it's tenuous because it's often not in the best interest of the university, it's just in the best interest of the assistant being promoted. Look at how Gaudio has worked out for WFU so far, squandered 3 potential first round picks with a loss in the first round of the tournament. Also it's not like we're saving a great recruiting class here either, and frankly that's one of the only good reasons to promote an assistant.

[Edited on April 9, 2009 at 11:07 PM. Reason : .]

4/9/2009 10:56:06 PM

i'm not going to go find examples, and i don't know if it's really been brought up that much here, but statefans and for sure packpride cite our directors' cup as evidence against fowler very regularly.

4/9/2009 11:01:23 PM

I bet if we did petition to get Lee Fowler, we'd be a few signatures short or some other NC State shit. The ultimate NC State shit.

4/9/2009 11:53:28 PM

Why not put Stephanie Glance on a one year results oriented contract and basically put our ending conference and overall record ahs to be better then the 08-09 record and you'll get a three year addition.

Yow's recruits had built a relationship with Glance, i wouldnt blame the incoming folks from transferring at all or quit the team in protest-Id support them 300%!!!

4/10/2009 12:20:22 AM

that's not really in the spirit of complying w/ kay yow's wishes.

4/10/2009 1:03:08 AM

simonn = Erios EXPOSED???

4/10/2009 1:46:36 AM

^ oh man fuck you. that's not cool.

4/10/2009 2:24:18 AM

so much hate

4/10/2009 2:25:26 AM

Oblinger and the NCSU Board of Trustees better come to their fucking senses quick b/c this shit is not going to blow over, and Fowler basically told the whole NCSU to go fuck themselves by not promoting Glance and disrespecting the wishes of Coach Yow and the majority of NCSU fans.

Fuck Fowler and all that he stands for!!! Fire him now!!

4/10/2009 2:30:00 AM

^ what he said.

4/10/2009 2:57:27 AM

I'm all for firing him, but if we land a better coach i'm all for it.

Get the best candidate we can get, this isn't about not hurting somebody's feelings.

4/10/2009 8:12:36 AM

I figured after the men's basketball coaching search Fowler would jump on the first candidate who actually wanted the fucking job

now we'll have to be rejected 3 or 4 times and then eventually hire Andrea Stinson

[Edited on April 10, 2009 at 8:16 AM. Reason : .]

4/10/2009 8:16:36 AM

I agree with simonn's points above, but I wouldn't mind seeing the issue serve as a catalyst to finally rid ourselves of Fowler.

4/10/2009 8:31:29 AM

Letter from Kay Yow to Oblinger and Fowler:

http://www.wralsportsfan.com/asset/colleges/ncsu/2009/04/09/4927694/yowletter.swf

4/10/2009 9:29:54 AM

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"but I wouldn't mind seeing the issue serve as a catalyst to finally rid ourselves of Fowler."

yeah, good point. i wouldn't mind that either.

4/10/2009 10:28:02 AM

I wouldn't mind getting rid of Fowler at all, but I also see very little reason to name Glance as our head coach. Maybe he considered this year to be her "one year, performance based contract" and she utterly blew it. If he can hire someone better, then he absolutely should.

4/10/2009 10:37:33 AM

^ I agree with that 100%. I said it in the other thread. Coaching isn't about sentimentality, it's about finding the right person for the job.


Fowler fucking sucks, but if Glance wasn't good enough, she wasn't good enough. Two completely separate issues.

4/10/2009 10:39:37 AM

I tend to agree with kiljadn's sentiment, but the fact is that this search is turning into a PR nightmare, which shouldn't have to happen.

The fact that it became knowledge that Glance was eliminated from contention before a new coach was named is a failure of the administration.

The fact that no-one is available for comment to address the issue is a problem.

If a new coach is not named VERY soon then it will become a major, utter failure. If it leaked out that Glance is out because we are finishing up paperwork with a significantly more qualified coach, that's one thing. If we aren't at that stage with another coach, then....

4/10/2009 10:49:27 AM

^ I agree, this coaching "search" is nothing short of a shit storm.

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"Maybe he considered this year to be her "one year, performance based contract" and she utterly blew it."

That would be absolutely retarded considering the circumstances.

#1) Recruiting has suffered recently for our WBB program in recent years, likely due to Yow's health concerns.
#2) Do you think it is possible the players were affected negatively by Yow's passing? Do you think that could affect their play?
#3) Do you think it affected Glance, one of Yow's best friends?

Hell, we got to a sweet 16 a couple of years ago, it isn't like the program was bad. If you want to see a bad program you just look at the men's basketball team. Glance deserves a shot to be the head coach on a clean slate. 15 years as an assistant and then you're rewarded for your loyalty like this?

[Edited on April 10, 2009 at 10:56 AM. Reason : []

4/10/2009 10:55:00 AM

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"If you want to see a bad program you just look at the men's basketball team. Glance deserves a shot to be the head coach on a clean slate. 15 years as an assistant and then you're rewarded for your loyalty like this?"

right, since 16-14 and 10th in the conference is much worse than 13-17 and 8th in the conference. Also I forgot that loyalty should be the basis of all coaching change decisions I like how you shit all over Sidney for a couple bad years and because he had no experience as a head coach in college before he came here but it's perfectly fine to promote an assistant from our struggling women's basketball team who also has no head coaching experience. How can you make the argument that Sidney should be fired because of his results regardless of his earlier contributions to the university (namely a national championship) while Glance should be hired regardless of results because of her earlier contributions to the university.

4/10/2009 12:11:27 PM