so the only thing horner does really well is make free throws


o wait

2/8/2009 3:44:58 PM

he's gotten better recently

he's still not what one would describe as 'good' however

[Edited on February 8, 2009 at 4:10 PM. Reason : he's still toeing the 'adequate' line]

2/8/2009 4:09:43 PM

80% my ass, hes 0% when we need freethrows. NEED MOAR PUMPFAKES

2/8/2009 4:13:00 PM

Sidney needs to learn what return on investment means. Investing in horner is not worth the one game he plays well out of 10.



put him on the bench forever

2/8/2009 4:16:37 PM

I honestly have no idea why Horner is EVER in.

Put in Williams. Sure, he's raw, but he has potential at least. Horner has already reached his (extremely low) limits.

2/8/2009 4:21:40 PM

I agree actually

he's shown improvement and stepped up sometimes

but he's a total defensive liability on anyone with a glimmer of quickness, I can't even count how many times he's gotten burnt for the opposition getting an easy layup

2/8/2009 4:24:38 PM

he did play good in the first half

2/8/2009 4:25:51 PM

Anyone will get better given the minutes he got. The problem is that other players can improve much more and much faster given the same minutes.

2/8/2009 4:26:36 PM

why the fuck did he play the whole 2nd half? i was throwing so much shit at the tv everytime he fucked up it was unbelievable

2/8/2009 4:27:48 PM

2/8/2009 10:44:06 PM

This guy should not play over Johnny Thomas, Tracy Smith, or CJ Williams and yet he does over all three.

2/8/2009 11:57:31 PM

We should all flood the Lowe show with calls. If we unite, we can stop this thing.

Why he got more minutes than Smith --despite Smith starting and not missing a single shot-- is mind-blowing. Same with CJ. Same with JT. Same with anyone else on this team.

2/9/2009 9:33:52 AM

maybe because his guy wasn't dunking on him


but god damn horner, 86 percent from the line and miss those 2? what the bloody fuck?

2/9/2009 9:42:17 AM

We just needed one of those horner. just one. we don't ask for much, just 1/2 free throws.

2/9/2009 9:50:12 AM

Smith was limping after the game, I assume his being injured was why Horner got minutes.

2/9/2009 10:00:00 AM

You know who should have been limping after the game? McCauley, who was fucked in the shoulder on multiple occasions.

2/9/2009 10:00:46 AM

Smith looked fine in overtime the few minutes he played.

If his being "injured" is why Horner played so damn much, and I'm not buying it, then he needs to sack the fuck up and stop being a pussy.

2/9/2009 10:04:01 AM

SO TUFF

2/9/2009 10:12:22 AM

free throws hard

2/9/2009 11:07:03 AM

Quote :

"We should all flood the Lowe show with calls."

dear lord no - i hope that was some sick joke.

if not, i beseech you to leave that man alone please.

2/9/2009 12:03:16 PM

smith and cj williams in double figures. can we put a nail in this coffin?


Next time this guy should see the court is his senior day. dennis horner = harrison beck

[Edited on February 11, 2009 at 9:34 PM. Reason : .,.]

2/11/2009 9:08:42 PM

Our whole team would have played great against Wake tonight....


if horner wasn't on the team

2/11/2009 10:48:34 PM

^Ditto. CJ was ballin and hasn't been able to see the court.

Thomas, CJ, and Tracy should all play over him.

What he did out there tonight was downright embarrassing.

2/12/2009 12:45:29 AM

he did not play well tonight

2/12/2009 12:47:30 AM

0 shots, 1 rebound, 2 turnovers in 9 mnutes?

That sounds about right.



Dennis is going to turn it on in his senior year... mark my word!

2/12/2009 12:53:42 AM

Haha yeah we will have him and Fergie for our senior leaders!

Won't that be great.

[Edited on February 12, 2009 at 12:54 AM. Reason : Degand too but he's playing well now]

2/12/2009 12:54:29 AM

man i usually defend him but he played terrible tonight.

granted even w/ him on the bench we did our standard have a huge lead late in the second half and (nearly, this time) lose.

2/12/2009 12:58:32 AM

Quote :

"Haha yeah we will have him and Fergie for our senior leaders!"

thanks herb

2/12/2009 1:06:17 AM

More like thanks Lee Fowler. Stop hating on Herb already.

Degand looked like he did early in 2007-08 tonight.

If he ever gets under control, he could be good.

2/12/2009 1:10:37 AM

Quote :

"More like thanks Lee Fowler. Stop hating on Herb already."

what does this mean?

[Edited on February 12, 2009 at 1:30 AM. Reason : but yeah, im sure dennis is a good kid...but i'm cool with him getting 6 min a game.]

2/12/2009 1:30:28 AM

It means Fowler alledgedly didn't make any contact with our recruits once Herb left. Because of this, they felt disconnected from State and went elsewhere -- Werner, Davis, Wright (even though everyone knows Chris Wright wasn't going to come regardless)

2/12/2009 7:38:37 AM

Quote :

"granted even w/ him on the bench we did our standard have a huge lead late in the second half and (nearly, this time) lose."

well, his two turnovers did happen back to back when our lead went from 19 to 10. Then he got yanked and Lowe went double PG to break the press.

2/12/2009 8:27:56 AM

See what happens when Horner sees limited time?

In the sparse time he was in, Wake went on runs....

This has been happening all year long....finally, you people are seeing the light.

2/12/2009 9:54:10 AM

bttt for the point raised above^

ive said it time and time again, the dude sucks and the team gets slowed down when he is in the game not to mention they score all over the kid.

he's weak and slow.

2/14/2009 2:28:51 PM

Notice that GT comes back when Horner is in?

Look at when we play well and when we don't.

Play well team:
Javi/Degand
CJ/Fells
Costner
Smith
McCauley

So when you need Costner, Smith, or McCauley to rotate, just play a 3 guard lineup. Horner should average 5 minutes/game to further give the bigs a blow.

2/14/2009 2:56:14 PM

PUMP FAKE WORKED

WE WANT MORE PUMP FAKE

2/14/2009 2:58:56 PM

i'm not a big horner fan at all. in fact i :carlface: when he steps on the court. but the dude had a decent game today offensively. i think i saw his tat start to glow just a little.

[Edited on February 14, 2009 at 4:00 PM. Reason : ]

2/14/2009 4:00:08 PM

Horner could score 10 points a game and it still wouldn't be worth playing him. GT ran at him on EVERY play he was in the game, and most of the time, they got something good out of it.

When he gets burned, that leads to easy points and fouls on costner and mccauley, which is much more damaging than the few good things he does. Another reason we suck offensively when he is in is because he is a shitty screener. If he does ever get open rolling off the screen, he is no threat to do shit other than pump fake. The offense totally bogs down.

It's just not worth it. If you are looking for a player who is just supposed to be an energy guy, the freshmen are much better options. Give the playing time to someone who will actually develop into a good player. Our young guys have shown that they can hit an open 3 more often than horner can.

2/14/2009 4:38:22 PM

More than anything, I think this game proved that CJ Williams should be that guy in to play the 3 when you need to go small and rest Smith, McCauley, Costner.

And really, playing Horner and two bigs is really still going small...it's not like Horner can rebound or play post defense (or any defense really). What's the downside to playing CJ over Horner?

Ideal team (subs):
Degand (Javi, Mays possibly)
Fells (CJ, Javi)
Costner (CJ, Horner 5 mins.)
Smith
McCauley

After the game starts, rotate Costner, Smith, McCauley. The key is limit Horner to 5 mins. or less per game.

2/14/2009 5:02:47 PM

horner needs to stay away from in bounding situations

2/14/2009 5:08:18 PM

Quote :

"horner needs to stay away from in bounding game situations"

2/14/2009 5:09:34 PM

Quote :

"It's just not worth it."

I agree. Yes he finally scored some but he plays no defense and does not help rebounding at all.

CJ Williams is turning out to be a nice player.....if he continues to improve his 3-shot he could start next year.

2/14/2009 7:25:19 PM

He has yet to harness the energy of the flaming basketball.

But really he looks scared and confused most of the time when he's on the court. His heels do not even leave the floor to get a rebound!

2/15/2009 11:23:17 AM

the whole bench played outstanding yesterday. 26 points out of them i believe......very nice, very nice

2/15/2009 12:33:22 PM

Getting dominated on the boards again, but what else is new? No defense dennis

2/18/2009 9:00:45 PM

OMFG WHY DID COSTNER GET BENCHED??

2/18/2009 9:24:48 PM

Quote :

"i love how horner has a "great" game by actually making his wide open 3's and then just makes it so the horner apologizers cant even give him credit by giving up 7 straight points and missing 2 more crucial free throws"

2/21/2009 3:11:52 PM

2/21/2009 3:12:24 PM

http://www.youtube.com/user/Pruane2Forever

2/24/2009 8:48:11 AM

Horner looks and reminds me of J-Mac. That highschool manager that came in and made threes.

2/24/2009 9:37:11 AM