All that aside, however, tonight was pretty cool.

4/10/2009 10:22:51 PM

I actually hear everyday people on the street talking about this show now. Can it really be that good?

4/11/2009 2:22:46 AM

you mean can it really be that bad? everyone on the street talks about american idol, too.

4/11/2009 3:02:42 AM

Quote :

"I hate investing time with FOX shows. I always let myself get sucked in only to be screwed wanting more from a show later."

NBC is the same way.

4/11/2009 4:20:44 PM

With each episode this show gets better and better. I'm really enjoying it.

4/14/2009 7:44:20 PM

Quote :

"I don't believe them for a second. IMO, if you decide not to finish or air an episode of a show, you're going to cancel it almost every time. It follows the fox pattern pretty well, and whedon is again getting screwed by them. He shoulda known better."

Read something about Epitaph One earlier...Im not certain this is a bad decision. Without getting too spoilery, the episode is completely separate from the main storyline going now, and features basically none of the regular cast. Youd have a hard time promoting that as a season finale. My guess is it airs after sweeps or just before the second season begins (if there is one).

4/15/2009 4:38:42 AM

I heard that, then I heard it wasn't true and the episode DID contain some tie-ins to the show and some plot closure.

Maybe the truth is in the middle. I dunno. Either way, I'm sure the show's cancelled.

4/15/2009 9:33:50 PM

good episode last week. I liked the stories from each Active's perspective.

I thought Ballard fell into a pretty stereotypical crazed/obsessed guy pretty quick, with the maps and strings and whatnot. But i guess the major catalyst was when Echo talked to him.
Is there anything stopping him from following November back to the Dollhouse, now that he knows she's a doll?

and what was with the "the Dollhouse is underground" business..... they apparently have an underground parking deck - big deal. The Dollhouse itself, though, appears to be in a high rise in the middle of LA.

oh yeah - and Echo/Eliza as the interrogator with the flattened, straight hair? nice.... she almost looked like a completely different person.

[Edited on April 23, 2009 at 12:08 AM. Reason : .]

4/23/2009 12:03:00 AM

No discussion on tonight's episode?

Even though I predicted/already knew almost everything that happened from the start, I still thought it was a great ep. Did anybody else notice "Dominic" yell out to Whiskey right before he got the needle. The Doctor played it off like he was yelling for a drink, but surely since Whiskey falls in line with the naming convention of the other dolls he was yelling for a person. Is the doctor a doll too?

5/1/2009 11:31:05 PM

I hadn't thought of the doctor being a Doll because of that, but I did think he was yelling out for a doll named Whiskey.

I did think the doc was a doll when Alpha said it was a lie that she'd always wanted to be a doctor.

Excited about the finale, not excited about the inevitable cancellation.

5/2/2009 12:02:16 PM

I thought it was a kick ass episode. One that could completely set up major changes for next season. That is, if there is a next season.

So Alpha used Dominic to control Paul so that Paul would eventually bring Alpha into the Dollhouse?

And whats the deal with Alpha? Was he actually the environmental guy? Next weeks preview shows him with his own chair, did he maybe take the environmental guys brain and flash himself, along with a trigger that would set him back to normal?

5/2/2009 12:12:04 PM

I thought I heard that the real environmental guy is dead--that was the body they found.

5/4/2009 1:31:19 PM

Yeah, that's what happened. Alpha killed the environmental guy and dropped his body off as a message and then (presumably) hacked into whatever database the FBI was using and put his picture in there so Ballard wouldn't get suspicious when he showed up. I'm not sure why Alpha needed Ballard to help him break into the dollhouse though. I guess Ballard served as a bit of a distraction of sorts?

5/4/2009 5:04:02 PM

i'm sort of shocked how far they've come along from the first episode (meh) to this most recent episode (fucking awesome).

c'mon fox, renew this shit.

5/4/2009 5:21:06 PM

behold the power of the whedon

5/4/2009 9:04:07 PM

this season has gone rediculously fast. not sure how Whedon has 5 or 6 seasons of this going in his head, but damn it would be good if it all came out

5/4/2009 9:22:43 PM

Such is the case in each Whedonverse

5/4/2009 11:21:33 PM

yeah i guess i forgot that it took me a few episodes to get into buffy.. but firefly was pretty instantaneous, as well as angel.

5/5/2009 5:40:56 PM

well remember he had to cave in to some of fox's demands for the first episode or two

5/5/2009 7:32:25 PM

^ Yeah, Whedon has stated that Fox made him change crap around in his first few episodes. They pretty much left him alone though after that. Which is where you can start seeing it get better and better. Fox just needs to keep their hands out of his business outside of signing checks and renewing it with new seasons.

This is also why there is an unaired pilot episode of Dollhouse. The original pilot ended up getting cannibalized into other episodes so the original pilot doesn't even have a point to ever be aired now. If it would have aired as the pilot, thing would have probably made more sense from the get go.

5/5/2009 8:16:32 PM

Quote :

"not sure how Whedon has 5 or 6 seasons of this going in his head, but damn it would be good if it all came out"

here's my armchair analysis.....
I'm thinking that Whedon had a 6 year plan for Dollhouse, just like he had a 6 or 7 year plan for FireFly. The big "mistake" with FireFly was that the major plot points were advancing too slowly. e.g. after 13 episodes we still didn't know shit about River, and we learned more in the first 30 minutes of Serenity about her than we did in all of FireFly. If FireFly had continued, I bet River's story would have been even better and more hashed out than it was in the movie.

So, with Dollhouse, I bet he originally had a lot of the plots that have happened in the 2nd half of this season unfolding a lot more slowly and deliberately over a couple seasons. But Whedon is on record basically saying "fuck it - after episode 6, let's just go all out and throw everything we have at them". It's possible he took 1 or 2 seasons of material and just crammed it into the end of S1, to try to get the network and an audience hooked. And if it is renewed, he will probably have to re-draw his long term plan and make some major changes starting with S2

5/6/2009 10:58:07 AM

Mmmm, Alpha.

5/6/2009 4:22:43 PM

Finale tonight... I'll be at Star Trek (god I'm a geek) but will see it late tonight or tomorrow



http://xkcd.com/577/



I won't post them all, but let me just say that the last comic in the series ends as you'd expect for something related to Whedon...

5/8/2009 2:44:41 PM

Well if that ends up being the end then at least it wasn't a giant ass cliff-hanger.

5/8/2009 10:00:48 PM

I felt a tad left down by how Alpha turned out. Wasn't sure what would happen with "Omega" Eco, but I thought it tied the theme of the show together, her still being her with 38(?) minds stuck in her. Explains Alpha too, but Eco +38 just seemed like Eco, so why would Alpha just look like a dissociative identity nutso and not just a uber badass psycho, especially when the show was clearly trying to push that it wasn't at all like MPD? Doesn't really matter, I know, just thought it could have been done better.

Still, thought it was an awesome episode, hope there will be more.



[Edited on May 9, 2009 at 12:18 AM. Reason : .]

5/9/2009 12:13:34 AM

Alan Tudyk would make a pretty good Dark Knight-style Joker

5/9/2009 12:17:12 AM

Oooo or Riddler!

5/9/2009 12:19:19 AM

that was awesome - easily the best episode of the series. The first one I felt that was full, 100% Whedonesque-worthy. And the first time that I will miss it if it doesn't come back.

Some great lines - i love Echo's line after Alpha quoted Nietzsche. Something about "superior beings in superior bodies, with a little bit of German thrown in. What could possibly go wrong?"

I also love the idea of holding a hard drive hostage. haha


Unfortunately for Eliza Dushku, though, when she is paired with Alan Tudyk, it just makes her acting look weaker....

oh well - a satisfying season finale, and if it's the series finale too, still pretty satisfying.

[Edited on May 9, 2009 at 10:57 AM. Reason : .]

5/9/2009 10:53:49 AM

Alan Tudyk owns.

5/9/2009 1:21:04 PM

Quote :

""Joss showed me the first episode where you see Alpha from behind and I was like, 'Oh my God. I've got a lot of work to do.' But I have a Ned Flanders kind of body. When I'm wearing baggy clothes you wouldn't expect that I have any muscle. Just like in tonight's episode. I don't look too wildly in shape at first. It's when I put on the tight shirt that you see it." "

Thanks stunt double!!

5/9/2009 7:26:49 PM

http://www.tvguide.com/News/Ratings-Dollhouse-Numbers-1005936.aspx

Wow, lowest ratings yet for the show.

5/11/2009 10:29:17 AM

Quote :

"I felt a tad left down by how Alpha turned out. Wasn't sure what would happen with "Omega" Eco, but I thought it tied the theme of the show together, her still being her with 38(?) minds stuck in her. Explains Alpha too, but Eco +38 just seemed like Eco, so why would Alpha just look like a dissociative identity nutso and not just a uber badass psycho, especially when the show was clearly trying to push that it wasn't at all like MPD? Doesn't really matter, I know, just thought it could have been done better."

seemed like the theme they pushed the whole episode is that the people are what they were before the imprints.
alpha was "on his way to being the next bundy", doctor girl says " i know who i am", echo is herself again and again.
Subconscious maybe isnt affected completely by the treatments.

5/11/2009 11:02:48 PM

It was confirmed today that the DVD set will contain the original unaired pilot and the unaired "true finale" 13th episode.

So I guess that's something. :-/

5/13/2009 3:40:00 PM

Duuude!

http://www.thrfeed.com/2009/05/dollhouse-second-season.html

Quote :

"In an underdog comeback that blows away NBC’s will-they-or-won’t-they hand-wringing over “Chuck” (psst, they almost certainly will), sources say Fox is -- and this could change before Monday's upfront presentation -- leaning toward bringing back Joss Whedon’s “Dollhouse” next fall. The low-rated Friday night show was last seen given up for dead by the media in a field somewhere. But its DVR numbers are strong, online streaming is strong. It’s a sci-fi show, which tend to bring in nice ancillary revenue such as DVD sales for sister-company studio 20th TV. And it’s said that Fox execs rather like the series, especially the latter half of the season. Besides, a show airing in the fall on Fox is a bit like running in midseason on most networks -- it’s not their strongest part of the year and maybe ... maybe ... "

5/15/2009 3:41:46 PM

the whole ratings system is so out of date.... it's sad that Neilson are the main numbers that are published, and therefore probably the numbers the advertising rates are based on.

They're about 5 years late on developing a a new ratings method to take into account live viewings, DVR/time-shifted, iTunes or Amazon downloads, and internet streams

5/15/2009 4:02:33 PM

Looks official.

http://www.tvweek.com/tvmojoe/2009/05/welcome-to-another-season-of-d.php

Only 13 episodes though, but that's better than nothing.

5/15/2009 11:57:36 PM

looks like it's official now, with 13 more episodes
http://www.thrfeed.com/2009/05/dollhouse-second-season.html


whoops, link is redundant to Greeks. But I got there from here, which seems to think it actually is official
http://www.tvsquad.com/2009/05/15/dollhouse-gets-a-second-season/


[Edited on May 15, 2009 at 11:59 PM. Reason : .]

5/15/2009 11:58:44 PM

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5/15/2009 11:59:14 PM

hoo goddamn ray

more eliza, and whedon's curse broken!

5/16/2009 12:44:12 AM

not sure it counts as a curse if it only happened once....

5/16/2009 9:35:23 AM

so ive never watched this show yet, but i love everything whedon has put out. agentlion should i check it out?

5/16/2009 10:44:51 AM

if you do watch it, keep in mind through the first few episodes (which are intriguing enough, just not a strong opening) that it gets muuuuch better.

5/16/2009 10:49:32 AM

^ pretty much agree

5/16/2009 11:01:12 AM

you know of anywhere i can watch all the episodes... hulu only has 8-12

5/16/2009 12:25:26 PM

now come on Chuck, Terminator, Reaper, etc.

5/16/2009 8:50:16 PM

http://io9.com/5257353/welcome-to-the-all+new-all+different-dollhouse

5/17/2009 1:01:27 PM

It's a shame that they renewed this crap at the expense of terminator

5/17/2009 1:14:18 PM

it certainly is not, at least to me. I didn't really get much out of terminator, but I didn't give it much of a chance after halfway through season 1.

5/18/2009 1:52:23 PM

the last two episodes of dollhouse were really good, but tbh i'd rather have terminator

5/18/2009 1:56:32 PM

^^I'm not really sure your "vote" means anything if you didn't watch both shows. Terminator had grown into a very good show. The finale took the show in a completely different direction and really changed the way you look at the entire Terminator franchise. If they would have done a proper season 3 it could have been some of the best sci-fi television in history. I'm looking forward to more Dollhouse, but Terminator was a much bigger loss looking at it from this point in time.

5/21/2009 10:30:50 AM