Oh well sometimes you need a fresh start. Glance really didn't fair too well the times that she was head coach. Kelly is young and could be here as long as Yow was.

4/14/2009 4:35:16 PM

...plus she's really hot...

[Edited on April 14, 2009 at 4:55 PM. Reason : i added "really" before hot]

4/14/2009 4:46:15 PM

maybe you can hire Fulmer too

4/14/2009 4:56:34 PM

My apologies for the long post (really I am), but I wanted to throw in my 2 cents since I heard this issue getting kciked around on the radio lately...

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"IMHO Lee Fowler is making an exceptionally poor decision in regards to the NC State women's bball coach search. Look, I understand the potential pitfalls in hiring someone from within the organization to succeed a departing coach. As you've said, any good AD should ask themselves "Would another university hire this person to be their head coach even without a personal connection to the program?" State fans have recently endured the hiring of what some have/had considered "under-qualified alumni" in Sidney Lowe in bball and Chuck Amato in football. So yes, in big time, big money sports, AD's absolutely have to be objective in hiring new coaches. HOWEVER, this coaching hire has some very striking differences from that of Amato or Lowe. 1st, this is women's basketball. Unlike in football and men's bball, taking a chance on an unproven coach is not a financial gamble by any stretch. That makes a sentimental hiring move like this far more acceptable. It's no disrespect to women's bball to say that the athletics boosters aren't going to beat down Fowler's door over Glance having a tough season (or two). 2nd, this is a team, school, and community still dealing with the aftershock of Yow's expected but nonetheless sudden departure. Fowler might want to reconsider the obvious - that he's blatantly violating the expressed wishes your school's most successful women's basketball coach EVER. This woman was the face of your program. She was nationally recognized and commended for her efforts raising money for breast cancer. In many ways Kay Yow is to NC State women's basketball as Jim Valvano was to NC State men's basketball. You honestly can't under-emphasize how much she's meant to the program. It's for these reasons that I find it appropriate to honor Yow's request. In the grand scheme of things it is but a small gesture to at least give Yow's hand-picked successor a chance. For all that Yow did for NC State, women's bball, and women everywhere, it is a small price to pay to grant her dying wish to see Stephanie Glance become her successor."

4/14/2009 5:00:38 PM

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"that he's blatantly violating the expressed wishes your school's most successful women's basketball coach EVER."

Yow is actually the only women's coach NC State has ever had. It's pretty remarkable.

4/14/2009 5:17:49 PM

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"Would another university hire this person to be their head coach even without a personal connection to the program?" "

I think this is precisely why he's not hiring her, for better or worse.

[Edited on April 14, 2009 at 5:19 PM. Reason : ]

4/14/2009 5:17:49 PM

Im sure K. Harper can coach, but she is NOT the right choice for the Womens BBALL program at this time. Just b/c she won three rings with Tennessee and coached Western Carolina to the NCAA tournament, whoopty fucking do..how many God-damn times have our women made it to the tourney in the last decade..alot more then fucking Western Carolina Univ!

I feel for the returning players on the WBB team, b/c I can see if Fowler was bringing in the coach from Stanford, or Dawn Staley, or the kick ass Baylor coach..NOOO he gets some no name coach no one has ever heard of to run a quality program with grade A facilities.


We'll see how the next chapter of this saga plays out...grrrrr

Lee Fowler is such a fucking cunt its not even funny!!

4/16/2009 12:22:13 AM

maybe we are going for the long haul and need a younger coach than coach glance

4/16/2009 12:23:40 AM

^^I think Coach Harper is a better choice for our program as it is now than the other coaches you listed. Obviously it will take a few years to ever know, but I have a pretty good feeling about what we are doing and I think it is a real good hire.

4/16/2009 12:28:47 AM

young coaches who overachieve are exactly who you should hire. winning conference championships is huge. That could be the difference between a herb and a coach that can win big games.

4/16/2009 12:30:56 AM

Wolfood98 just keeps proving he is the dumbest ST poster.

Nobody has heard of Kellie Jolly? Give me a break.

She won 2 conference titles in 5 years at the worst athletic school in the SoCon Western Carolina.

She is clearly a better candidate than Glance.

4/16/2009 12:52:39 AM

Packboozie when you actually go to see a womens basketball game then you can speak..until then Shut the fuck up!

4/16/2009 2:42:59 AM

Been to several....went to four this year. Actually decent friends with a player on the team.

Saw us play Carolina, BC, Duke, and Virginia.

Go suck off some more NC Central football or something. Harper>>>>>Glance

4/16/2009 12:03:44 PM

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"Harper>>>>>Glance"

4/16/2009 12:20:37 PM

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"I would like to thank NC State University for affording me the chance to be a part of such a fine institution for the last 15 years. I am saddened today that I will not have the opportunity to be the next head coach for the women's basketball program. I would like to especially thank the fans, former players, and coaches from around the country who have sent letters, emails, and made phone calls on my behalf. Thank you sincerely for your support! I am MOST grateful for the lessons learned from the legendary Coach Kay Yow! These will stay with me for a lifetime! I wish her successor the best. Stephanie Glance "

was just released

4/16/2009 12:39:36 PM

"Fowler's Hard Call May be the Right One"

http://www.wralsportsfan.com/voices/blogpost/4961465/

4/16/2009 12:59:32 PM

I’ll do my best to keep this as short as possible (I’ll probably fail), because in all reality, very few of you care about women’s basketball.

I think this is the wrong decision. I understand the idea of interviewing all candidates and then selecting who you believe is the best available. Unfortunately, I think we made the wrong decision.

But, what I’m most upset about is the position Fowler put Glance in, along with the current players. Glance, who could have left the program years ago for a head coaching job, stayed at N.C. State for two reasons: 1. To stay with coach Yow because of her health. 2. She wanted and expected to be the head coach at N.C. State one day. She said on multiple occasions (to me) that State was her dream job and she didn’t want to leave for anywhere else.

Years ago, when Yow approached Fowler about hiring Glance, he told her that State couldn’t promise that Glance would get the job. But, he did lead on that it would be that way. Glance could have left many times for big programs, but didn’t because she expected to be the coach at State (it’s understandable why Fowler would want to keep Glance around – especially with her experience and Yow’s situation). And if either Glance or Yow would have had the slightest idea it would have worked out the way it did, Glance would have left years ago (with Yow encouraging her to do so). Also, because of the length of the search, Glance is completely left out to dry. What major coaching positions are open this time of the year? Not only did he not hire Glance, he kept her from interviewing/accepting another job.

Yow and Fowler never saw eye-to-eye on many issues. Fowler hated the Yow wouldn’t part from Nike. Yow hated that Fowler wouldn’t promise Glance the job. Yow liked the way things were in the past and didn’t necessarily agree with the way Fowler ran things. I’m worried that Fowler wanted to start all over with this program and get rid of everything that had to do with the previous regime. Now, with a young coach, we bring in Adidas and Fowler is running the show again. Yow ran the show before. She wanted Nike, she got Nike. She wanted more money for the program, she got it.

It’s ironic to me that everyone is praising Fowler for passing on a coach who many very well-respected AD’s wanted. Instead, we are hiring a coach from Western Carolina, who is 97-65 in her career with nearly a 60% winning percentage, that no other major programs had given a second look yet (was bound to looks at some point though, for sure).

I’ve never disliked Fowler, but I do now. This hire wasn’t about Harper over Glance. And for those of you who think it was, you’re wrong.

4/16/2009 1:22:41 PM

I get the feeling that if we hired Glance she would be Bill Guthridge

But now that we didnt she'll go to some random ass school and beat us in her 2nd year on the way to a Sweet 16

Not that any of it matters, because lol womens basketball

4/16/2009 1:34:57 PM

I agree with you, EZ2Score21.
Let's think about it. How long has Fowler stayed at NC State? How long had Yow stayed at NC State? What has Fowler done for our athletic program? What had Yow done? Maybe Fowler would be fired next year. What would we, NC State, get then? A story that NC State betrayed their legendary coach?
Don't fool yourself. There are many coaches capable of running this program. You can hire this one or that one. Just like you pick between coach K and Roy. You can't say who has clear edge over the other. If Glance and Harper both are good enough (I believe so), why Fowler picked Harper? To me, it's more like a personal choice. I believe before the search process started Fowler already made his decision.

4/16/2009 1:43:42 PM

Good God people its a business not fucking middle school. We had to do what's best for us.

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"Glance, who could have left the program years ago for a head coaching job, stayed at N.C. State"

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"Glance could have left many times for big programs"

These are bullshit. Glance would and still will not be hired as a head coach at a big problem.

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"It’s ironic to me that everyone is praising Fowler for passing on a coach who many very well-respected AD’s wanted. Instead, we are hiring a coach from Western Carolina, who is 97-65 in her career with nearly a 60% winning percentage, that no other major programs had given a second look yet (was bound to looks at some point though, for sure)."

Not to keep harping on you dude, but this is all bullshit too. Louisiana Tech, which is a bigger women's program than us tried to get her last year. Western Carolina is the worst athletic program in the SoCon. Winning two regular season and tournament conference championships there is great. Western is not good at anything. They cannot compete with Chattanooga, Davidson, Appalachian, etc. Harper is a hot commodity.

4/16/2009 2:06:10 PM

I'm not trying to argue. I like that people are at least passionate about this. Whatever the case, yes, Glance could have had many other head coaching jobs in the past few years. I'd really like to know where you heard that she couldn't get a head coaching job at a big program. I heard/was told MUCH differently.

And regarding Louisiana Tech, that's like saying SMU should be able to hire a big-time football coach. Yes, Louisiana Tech has a great history, but, it's no longer an attractive program. Last year, Louisiana Tech lost to McNeese State, Nevada, Fresno State (by 25), Boise State, Illinois State and to Tennessee by almost 40, among other teams. Louisiana Tech isn't on the same level as the N.C. State women's basketball program.

[Edited on April 16, 2009 at 2:21 PM. Reason : .]

4/16/2009 2:19:21 PM

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"These are bullshit. Glance would and still will not be hired as a head coach at a big problem."

god you are an idiot.
for one, Glance turned the Kentucky job down to stay at NCSU so i dont really know where you are getting this from other than your already ridiculous opinions

4/16/2009 2:30:08 PM

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"god you are an idiot. for one, Glance turned the Kentucky job down to stay at NCSU so i dont really know where you are getting this from other than your already ridiculous opinions"

Kentucky women's ball /= Kentucky men's ball. They are not a big time program.

Let's just see for ourselves where Glance ends up. But from my observations when she was head coach while Yow was sick, we were a much worse team through the years.

[Edited on April 16, 2009 at 2:40 PM. Reason : Least I have my own opinions and don't just post PP bull]

[Edited on April 16, 2009 at 2:44 PM. Reason : Some of you talk like she was a better coach than Yow.....]

4/16/2009 2:40:26 PM

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"Kentucky women's ball /= Kentucky men's ball. They are not a big time program."

oh, im sorry. a major university in a big time conference doesnt equal a big time program.
what in the fuck was i thinking?

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"Least I have my own opinions and don't just post PP bull]"

too bad none of us read that stupid shit esp. since all you do is make an ass out of yourself in sports talk more than i do. your opinions fucking suck and so do your sports takes. you are so off base with the majority of everything you post that its just a tragic comedy. i just wish the ignore user plug in worked.

at least the stuff i repost from packpride comes from sites like ESPN or articles written by sports writers or other inside information about recruiting in both major sports.

[Edited on April 16, 2009 at 2:59 PM. Reason : wording]

i mean, i have a two page email sitting in my email box about how out of control our women's basketball team was under the current coaching staff. how would you feel if you were spending about about $1.28 million a season on a program only to make back 40K? i would post all the findings but you people are not worth it



[Edited on April 16, 2009 at 3:02 PM. Reason : lol]

4/16/2009 2:58:58 PM

Glance is a great woman, but our program needed a fresh start. We need to remember Kay Yow.....not continue to live through her

4/16/2009 3:14:18 PM

^ well said.

4/16/2009 3:54:41 PM

Look people, it ain't about that at all. It's easy to sum it up if you're just talking about women’s basketball. We're sitting here, and I'm supposed to be the franchise player, and we're talking about women’s basketball. I mean listen, we're sitting here talking about women’s basketball, not a game, not a game, not a game, but we're talking about women’s basketball. Not the game that I go out there and die for and play every game last it's my last but we're talking about women’s basketball man. How silly is that?
Now I know that I'm supposed to lead by example and all that but I'm not shoving that aside like it don't mean anything. I know it's important, I honestly do but we're talking about women’s basketball. We're talking about women’s basketball man. (laughter from the media crowd) We're talking about women’s basketball. We're talking about women’s basketball. We're not talking about the game. We're talking about women’s basketball. When you come to the arena, and you see me play, you've seen me play right, you've seen me give everything I've got, but we're talking about women’s basketball right now

4/16/2009 3:56:38 PM

ahahahaha

nicely done.

4/16/2009 7:35:14 PM

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"too bad none of us read that stupid shit esp. since all you do is make an ass out of yourself in sports talk more than i do. your opinions fucking suck and so do your sports takes. you are so off base with the majority of everything you post that its just a tragic comedy. i just wish the ignore user plug in worked."

My shits have more sports knowledge than you. Sorry for wanting my university to do well in sports. You don't like what I say then ignore it.

[Edited on April 16, 2009 at 10:57 PM. Reason : don't fucking care what you think]

4/16/2009 10:55:04 PM

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"Glance would and still will not be hired as a head coach at a big problem."

She has a better chance of getting hired at a big problem than she does of getting hired at a big program.

4/16/2009 11:15:10 PM

I feel terrible for Stephanie Glance if some of the stuff said in this thread was true (big IF).


However....I think we made the right hire. I think the program has gone down a little bit over the last few years and it has some to do with the health of Yow and some to do with the staff maybe? I don't know the answer, but I do believe that it was time for a change. I love the fact that we went after a young, yet proven coach with a great pedigree.


Honestly, there is a lot more upside to hiring Harper than Glance, even though hiring Glance would be the "right" thing to do considering the circumstances. That in its self is why we hired Harper.

4/16/2009 11:21:21 PM

I feel bad for her too. You know growing up I wanted to be a pro golfer but I realized the work and talent it took and I couldn't cut. Sometimes life just isn't all great. I wish her all the best but I stand behind this move 100%. If she can land a job somewhere then that's great.

4/16/2009 11:46:57 PM

i must say that in this situation

i will take what ez2score says over packboozie

boozie you try too hard to act like you know everything about everything.

while i'm sure its cool that you have an acquaintance on the team, we dont need you spewing that you must be the more knowledgeable person on a certain subject because you either go to all the games or you had a class with someone that had a class with someone on the basketball team.

in short, find a new shtick, yours is getting old


[Edited on April 17, 2009 at 12:47 AM. Reason : ,]

4/17/2009 12:41:31 AM

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"boozie you try to hard to pretend like you know everything about everything."

I don't know everything about everything......but I can see with my own two eyes. What I saw was a team that was totally different when Stephanie Glance was head coach. Have some of you not followed our women at all over the last 5 years? When she takes over we suck only to do better once Kay comes back.

[Edited on April 17, 2009 at 12:49 AM. Reason : FWIW I think most of the girls are actually okay with this]

4/17/2009 12:47:57 AM

How many of you "passionate" punks will actually go to a women's game next year?

I like this hire.

4/17/2009 7:28:35 AM

I'll be honest.

i still probably won't go.

4/17/2009 7:40:47 AM

I would go to some games if I was in town. The one proven way to get more people to come is winning games. Duke, Carolina, and Maryland weren't exactly packing the house a few years ago.

4/17/2009 7:59:32 AM

I have no problem with people liking the hire. Harper is young, won as a player at the highest level and has proved she can coach. It does make sense for her to get a chance at some program.

I just don't think this is the right situation -- nor do I think it was handled well by Fowler. Sure, I'm probably slightly biased because I spent a lot of time around the team within the last five years, but watching Glance operate is remarkable. Her personality allows for her to be a wonderful recruiter (you have no idea how hard it is to recruit high school players with a coach who had Stage 4 cancer), she's huge on academics, she watched more film than any coach on the staff and has run all aspects of the program the past five years. I'd really like to see what she could do operating a program (especially recruiting) while having a consistent/healthy coaching staff.

And unfortunately, I think this decision was a lot more than Harper vs. Glance.

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"FWIW I think most of the girls are actually okay with this"

Of all the things said in this thread, that is probably the most incorrect.

[Edited on April 17, 2009 at 9:12 AM. Reason : ]

4/17/2009 9:11:08 AM

I can't claim to know much about the psyche of the women's team. I'd imagine they won't be immediately thrilled with the decision, but Kellie is certainly a good-hearted, geniune coach. I don't think the hard feelings will last long.

4/17/2009 9:49:54 AM

^^Dude of course they wanted Glance to be the coach, she recruited and coached all of them....but most of them realize who Kellie Jolly Harper is. They know it wasn't their choice.

Are you one of the girls on the team? The way you are acting sounds like you are really hurt by this.

[Edited on April 17, 2009 at 9:53 AM. Reason : Pretty pointless to argue this because you can't change it]

4/17/2009 9:52:15 AM

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"Pretty pointless to argue this because you can't change it"

Interesting mindset. I guess once any decision has been made, no one should argue it afterward.


So, a couple posts ago, you say this:

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"FWIW I think most of the girls are actually okay with this"

Then, you come back with this:

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"Dude of course they wanted Glance to be the coach"

Doesn't compute...


Whatever the case, I'm done arguing it. I do understand the excitement with Harper, I just don't agree with the decision. Only time will tell (I very well could be wrong -- I hope I am. I'm most interested in how Glance does from here on out). And packboozie, you should leave the sports world (and TWW) and never come back. It would make us all happier.

4/17/2009 10:09:24 AM

^+1

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"My shits have more sports knowledge than you. Sorry for wanting my university to do well in sports. You don't like what I say then ignore it."

how childish are you? im not playing this pissing contest game esp. when i have people close to the program feeding me information on football and basketball weekly.

75% of the regular sports talk posters would like to see you and ohboyeee leave this forum so that speaks for itself

like i said, if YOU knew what kind of shit was going down in and with the womens program you would be happy with this hire. Fowler made the right call and hopefully the Lady Pack will back to winning and a consistent top team

4/17/2009 10:19:21 AM

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"Doesn't compute..."

They aren't mutually exclusive statements. Someone can want something, not get it, and be alright with the outcome.

Look at the "Sidney Lowe Credibility Watch" thread. It's 100+ pages of people wanting to win a national championship, but somehow being "ok" with sucking ass.

4/17/2009 10:23:23 AM

I imagine the players are dealing with their comfort, loyalty, and established relationship with Coach Glance, while wanting the best situation for success, just like everyone else. They will obviously have stronger feelings since they are so close to the situation, and it directly affects a big part of their lives.

I have no doubt that they will forge a strong relationship with Coach Harper over time. Jimmy V didn't recruit Lowe or Whittenburg, but that turned out OK.

4/17/2009 10:34:06 AM

I completely agree. While they might not be happy with the decision now, by no means does that indicate that they won't be happy in a couple months.

4/17/2009 10:43:08 AM

The women's bball program has been all over the place for the last 10 years. If Yow wasn't Yow, she probably would have been canned a long time ago. The only people "in the know" that are pissed about this hire are ones that are close to Yow and her people.

And don't turn this post into a "hate on Yow" post. I feel the same way about her as I do Jimmy V. Nothing but absolute admiration and respect. But our program is not what it use to be. We've been easily surpassed by UNC/Duke/Maryland and have been wading around in ACC mediocrity for the for past 10 years. Because Yow is Yow and honestly no one really gives two shits about women's basketball, she had great job security. But why would you promote an assistant coach from a mediocre coaching staff that didn't perform particularly well when the head coach wasn't there??

It's pretty clear. The people who are upset are letting their emotions get the best of them. We made the better hire.

4/17/2009 10:47:21 AM

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"like i said, if YOU knew what kind of shit was going down in and with the womens program you would be happy with this hire. Fowler made the right call and hopefully the Lady Pack will back to winning and a consistent top team"

Who is down for not practicing and just spending days at a time at Disney Land?

4/17/2009 10:47:40 AM

anyone want to catch the Rockettes?

[Edited on April 17, 2009 at 11:18 AM. Reason : k]

4/17/2009 10:56:20 AM

We're playing Seton Hall, let's stay in Downtown Manhattan.

4/17/2009 10:57:49 AM

She was just too old and didnt do much when she was in charge.....it was.....time for a change...perhaps she can take the now vacant WCU position?

4/17/2009 11:52:12 AM