^ Same thing

White=republican
Black=democrat

4/16/2009 10:37:05 AM

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"This is the same thing the Fair Taxers plan to do too, are you against the Fair Tax too? "

You do realize the difference right. Under the fairtax everyone is treated equally. YOU would get the same prebate check as bill gates or the unemployed.


Moron, I do think it was a good idea. I think the teaparty was just a symbol for speaking out against what people consider to be a runaway govt. We seem to be doubling down with every president lately, that trend needs to stop. Spending was horrible under bush and are going to get much much worse under obama. Its not like people got violent and tore stuff up, they just met peacefully and vented. I doubt anyone attending these events believed that tommorrow Obama would cut his budget in half or the fairtax would pass today. I think its just a show of support from those who previously didnt have an event that they agreed with. Most of the prior protests during the bush years were mainly war related. THis is the first event ive seen or heard of against the size of govt and government spending.

And I saw several signs that had TEA standing for Taxed Enough Already. While the bulk of taxes wont increase until 2011 (my SS tax will increase this year) people understand that eventually we have to pay the tab at the end of the party.

4/16/2009 10:44:59 AM

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"You do realize the difference right. Under the fairtax everyone is treated equally. YOU would get the same prebate check as bill gates or the unemployed."

Earthdogg's issue seemed to be with giving people back money they may have never had.

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"I think its just a show of support from those who previously didnt have an event that they agreed with. Most of the prior protests during the bush years were mainly war related. THis is the first event ive seen or heard of against the size of govt and government spending."

That's because these people wouldn't have protested under Bush, even though their gripes should have been the same. They (just barely) claim to be "non partisan" but it's blatantly obvious they are not, which hurts their credibility, I think.

[Edited on April 16, 2009 at 10:50 AM. Reason : ]

4/16/2009 10:46:21 AM

Well I counted my no show up in the 2006 elections as my protest. They deserved to lose congress. I thought it was time to let the other party show what they can do, however, I now regret that decision.

Back to the fairtax, I guess the difference is that everyone will be getting the same amount of "money they didnt earn", so at least that is more fair than the current system. It also makes EVERYONE a federal tax payer instead of shifting the burden on more of the minority while the majority keeps expecting more services at no cost of thier own.

4/16/2009 11:15:14 AM

Are you thinking of a Flat Tax?

Because under a Fair Tax, there is still going to be a large amount of people who effectively don't pay any taxes, and there's still going to be people who get more money back than they pay in.

4/16/2009 11:18:01 AM

no the fairtax. The difference is everyone gets a "prebate" up to the poverty line. So that in effect the poor will still pay NO federal taxes. The difference is that everyone receives that same amount. Where I say everyone become tax payers is that you are taxed on what you buy not what you earn. So everytime you make a purchase you are a federal tax payer, including illegals, drug dealers, and tourists.

As I drove up to the tea party I was noticing construction all around, you may notice this in your area too... churches. New churches, expansions.. they seem to be the only things being built..that and strip malls. I think letting people keep what they make including businesses will create more sustainable jobs and growth. I placed a call with a patient who is a builder to ask if my observation was correct that churches continue to build even in bad times.

4/16/2009 12:03:32 PM

So your issue now is not with poor people getting money they didn't "earn" but that the rich people are being treated "unfairly?"

4/16/2009 12:13:38 PM

my issue has been about equality and the govt having one set of rules for all. Whether it be civil unions or taxes. I just want some consistancy. To use the taxcode to buy votes is immoral imo.

I would prefer for people to not get "free money" but I dont think that is ever going to happen. This is the next best solution imo.

4/16/2009 12:19:41 PM

more msnbc jokes and jabs at fox news, funnyish.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8i-OWDjOQfI

4/16/2009 12:22:28 PM

ahahah a failing cable network made sexual jokes during a newscast.

those guys are so witty.

4/16/2009 12:52:01 PM

^^ wow, that's pretty sad... stooping to new lows.

4/16/2009 1:23:11 PM

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"my issue has been about equality and the govt having one set of rules for all. Whether it be civil unions or taxes. I just want some consistancy. To use the taxcode to buy votes is immoral imo. I would prefer for people to not get "free money" but I dont think that is ever going to happen. This is the next best solution imo. "

The same thing for everyone? THAT SOUNDS LIKE SOCIALISM!

4/16/2009 1:45:09 PM

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/04/16/10-most-offensive-tea-par_n_187554.html

4/16/2009 1:45:31 PM

THEY DID IT TO BUSH!!!1

4/16/2009 1:57:22 PM

that link was priceless, and sadly only serves to confirm the lacking objectivity of the people who were going to those rallies. sure, not everyone is as bad as the people pictured sections of images, but the mentality was most certainly held by others than those depicted. Even if the majority of the people there were only half as misguided as the depicted people then it was still a group primarily composed of extremist ideologues.

4/16/2009 2:01:32 PM

i'm fine with that as long as i can say the exact same thing about any protest

4/16/2009 2:03:29 PM

Quote :

"The same thing for everyone? THAT SOUNDS LIKE SOCIALISM! "

I cant tell if you are joking or just trying not to understand what im saying. Im saying one set of RULES for everyone, not the same THINGS for all. You are free to live your life and spend your money in anyway you see fit. This is a far cry from socialism, where everything is taken from some and then redistributed at the whim of the govt.

4/16/2009 2:04:53 PM

I feel some of these need to be included because it firmly demonstrates how little understanding people have of the issues and hand and that the main gripe it is these people have is that they are no longer in power.



What does Acorn have to do with anything? How are they radical?


abortion has been legal for a long time so this shouldn't be an administration specific complaint. Bush was in office for 8 years and there were no changes. The SCJ even leans right.




How does he compare to Hitler at all? Sure, one could arguably stretch that the conditions in 1930s germany are mimicked by current situations here, but it takes a lot more than that to make someone hitler.



headdesk.



i'm not even sure what this is supposed to mean.



Through this person's ignorance they manage to not recognize the correlation between reducing defense spending and a reduction in taxes. however, i don't know why this is an issue since the defense budget was increased by 4%.






Why is it that our president not presuming a holier-than-though attitude is a position worthy of protest?






Once again not even a remotely political issue and primarily a personal gripe that has been developed through bias and bigotry.




We've been gradually losing our freedoms for some time now. Interesting that 3 months into Obama's term these objective individuals have been able to reason the start of Obama's term was the end of our system.



no one is taking guns away. I wonder how so many people can still be filled with so much misinformation.




just odd.








[Edited on April 16, 2009 at 3:07 PM. Reason : hotlinking okay]

4/16/2009 2:48:29 PM

It's just the death spiral of the republican party. The social fringe is starting to drag down the free economics wing of the party, and the latter better figure out how the fuck to push them off and move forward...

In times past these units worked together quite well, now with the irreversible trajectory the U.S. is making culturally and demographically there is no more room for it to work.

4/16/2009 3:21:58 PM

My favorite sign in that whole link was "No turn on red".

4/16/2009 3:27:00 PM

Quote :

"I cant tell if you are joking or just trying not to understand what im saying. Im saying one set of RULES for everyone, not the same THINGS for all. You are free to live your life and spend your money in anyway you see fit. This is a far cry from socialism, where everything is taken from some and then redistributed at the whim of the govt."

First, I don't think your description is how socialism is actually defined. And secondly, I was obviously joking, but it's the same kind of logic many on the right use when the accuse the democrats and Obama of being "socialist." Socialism is not the same thing as communism.

[Edited on April 16, 2009 at 3:56 PM. Reason : ]

4/16/2009 3:55:53 PM

fascism is also thrown in there for a trio of boogiemen labels

4/16/2009 3:58:19 PM

The libertarian core of this event had some merit, and I am all for protests & rallies as a part of the public discourse on political issues, but the event ended up seeming like a Fox News sponsored event that was focused on a mesh of a lot of random social conservative talking points rather than necessarily being focused on the core financial issue of taxes. And even when it came to taxes there is a lot of misunderstanding out there. Still the concern for fairer & simpler tax codes shouldn't be drowned out by the abortion is wrong, McCain should have won crowd. I give this event an A for intent, and a C- for execution. I'd personally find the libertarian party much more appealing if it didn't always seem to be so in bed with the republican social conservatives.

4/16/2009 4:42:33 PM

Mission Accomplished, B!


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4/16/2009 4:54:36 PM

Quote :

"The social fringe is starting to drag down the free economics wing of the party, and the latter better figure out how the fuck to push them off and move forward"

Bingo

4/16/2009 5:28:00 PM

^^^ Well that video certainly proves that these events are about public outrage at taxes and deficit spending and not a partisan whine-fest.

4/16/2009 7:24:16 PM

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"Sadly, I think the idea behind the tea parties is a good one, but they chose a poor image to use (the real Boston Tea Party doesn't mirror the current situation in any way"

I would agree. I wish they had come up with something more original and less open to riducule.

4/16/2009 10:01:49 PM

republicans make my head hurt

4/16/2009 11:06:27 PM

i could be more understanding if this tea party was more about the tax issue and less about bitching that the liberal black guy is president

i WAS a republican until they started pissing and moaning like the man who has been in office less than 100 days is the cause of all problems in America.

Now i am ashamed that so many of these fucking retards are out and about

[Edited on April 17, 2009 at 12:33 AM. Reason : guess its time to change over the voter registration ]

[Edited on April 17, 2009 at 12:34 AM. Reason : and i'm sure i'm not the only republican that feels this way]

4/17/2009 12:31:44 AM

4/17/2009 9:25:22 AM

the daily show destroyed this. twas pretty funny

4/17/2009 9:57:33 AM

currently watching

4/17/2009 10:06:03 AM

I love the liberal uproar about this....

fear???

.......ok...begin tearing me to shreds now....will only prove my point

4/17/2009 10:09:28 AM

Uproar?

I guess if you count uproarious laughter

4/17/2009 10:28:29 AM

YOU JUST PROVED HIS POINT!!!!11 right? no?

wat?

4/17/2009 10:29:08 AM

No the uproar would be from the liberals at cnn and msnbc and in this thread for the last three days

but ok....

4/17/2009 10:31:05 AM

CNN is taking some heat for reporter Susan Roesgen's combative on-the-street interview with tax protesters. I wonder if she is as confrontive with pro-Obama folks?

Anyway, here is a video of what happened after her camera was turned off...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dd2tg8gxCDU

Along with Anderson Cooper's "You can't talk if you're tea-bagging" comment, CNN is just tossing up soft-balls for those of us who think CNN and other mainstream media orgs are liberal-biased.

Super-rich Nancy Pelosi and other dems have called the protests a right-wing event. But in Salt Lake City, Utah the crowd of 2000 repeatedly booed republicans Orrin Hatch and Bob Bennett, who both supported the TARP bailout. All over, crowds were just as angry at both parties for over-spending.

With its poor record over the past 8 years, the GOP is going to have a tough time trying to attach itself to the tax protest/overspending voting bloc. People are rightly pissed at any politician who supported bailouts and "stimulus" spending.

4/17/2009 10:41:21 AM

^ this is what Im talking about....

i guess you could call CNN's shenanigans as uproarious laughter....i would call it fearful anger....I just think its interesting

4/17/2009 10:42:57 AM

4/17/2009 11:10:01 AM

By default, coutesy of Coulter:

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"OBAMA'S RECIPE FOR CHANGE NOT MY CUP OF TEA I had no idea how important this week's nationwide anti-tax tea parties were until hearing liberals denounce them with such ferocity. The New York Times' Paul Krugman wrote a column attacking the tea parties, apologizing for making fun of "crazy people." It's OK, Paul, you're allowed to do that for the same reason Jews can make fun of Jews. On MSNBC, hosts Keith Olbermann and Rachel Maddow have been tittering over the similarity of the name "tea parties" to an obscure homosexual sexual practice known as "tea bagging." Night after night, they sneer at Republicans for being so stupid as to call their rallies "tea bagging." Every host on Air America and every unbathed, basement-dwelling loser on the left wing blogosphere has spent the last week making jokes about tea bagging, a practice they show a surprising degree of familiarity with. Except no one is calling the tea parties "tea bagging" -- except Olbermann and Maddow. Republicans call them "tea parties." But if the Republicans were calling them "tea-bagging parties," the MSNBC hosts would have a fantastically hilarious segment for viewers in San Francisco and the West Village and not anyplace else in the rest of the country. On the other hand, they're not called "tea-bagging parties." (That, of course refers to the cocktail hour at Barney Frank's condo in Georgetown.) You know what else would be hilarious? It would be hilarious if Hillary Clinton's name were "Ima Douche." Unfortunately, it's not. It was just a dream. Most people would wake up, realize it was just a dream and scrap the joke. Not MSNBC hosts. The point of the tea parties is to note the fact that the Democrats' modus operandi is to lead voters to believe they are no more likely to raise taxes than Republicans, get elected and immediately raise taxes. Apparently, the people who actually pay taxes consider this a bad idea. Obama's biggest shortcoming is that he believes the things believed by all Democrats, which have had devastating consequences every time they are put into effect. Among these is the Democrats' admiration for raising taxes on the productive. All Democrats for the last 30 years have tried to stimulate the economy by giving "tax cuts" to people who don't pay taxes. Evidently, offering to expand welfare payments isn't a big vote-getter. Even Bush had a "stimulus" bill that sent government checks to lots of people last year. Guess what happened? It didn't stimulate the economy. Obama's stimulus bill is the mother of all pork bills for friends of O and of Congressional Democrats. ("O" stands for Obama, not Oprah, but there's probably a lot of overlap.) And all that government spending on the Democrats' constituents will be paid for by raising taxes on the productive. Raise taxes and the productive will work less, adopt tax shelters, barter instead of sell, turn to an underground economy -- and the government will get less money. The perfect bar bet with a liberal would be to wager that massive government deficits in the '80s were not caused by Reagan's tax cuts. If you casually mentioned that you thought Reagan's tax cuts brought in more revenue to the government -- which they did -- you could get odds in Hollywood and Manhattan. (This became a less attractive wager in New York this week after Gov. David Paterson announced his new plan to tax bar bets.) The lie at the heart of liberals' mantra on taxes -- "tax increases only for the rich" -- is the ineluctable fact that unless taxes are raised across the board, the government won't get its money to fund layers and layers of useless government bureaucrats, none of whom can possibly be laid off. How much would you have to raise taxes before any of Obama's constituents noticed? They don't pay taxes, they engage in "tax-reduction" strategies, they work for the government, or they're too rich to care. (Or they have off-shore tax shelters, like George Soros.) California tried the Obama soak-the-productive "stimulus" plan years ago and was hailed as the perfect exemplar of Democratic governance. In June 2002, the liberal American Prospect magazine called California a "laboratory" for Democratic policies, noting that "California is the only one of the nation's 10 largest states that is uniformly under Democratic control." They said this, mind you, as if it were a good thing. In California, the article proclaimed, "the next new deal is in tryouts." As they say in show biz: "Thanks, we'll call you. Next!" In just a few years, Democrats had turned California into a state -- or as it's now known, a "job-free zone" -- with a $41 billion deficit, a credit rating that was slashed to junk-bond status and a middle class now located in Arizona. Democrats governed California the way Democrats always govern. They bought the votes of government workers with taxpayer-funded jobs, salaries and benefits -- and then turned around and accused the productive class of "greed" for wanting not to have their taxes raised through the roof. Having run out of things to tax, now the California legislature is considering a tax on taxes. Seriously. The only way out now for California is a tax on Botox and steroids. Sure, the governor will protest, but it is the best solution ... California was, in fact, a laboratory of Democratic policies. The rabbit died, so now Obama is trying it on a national level. That's what the tea parties are about. "

[Edited on April 17, 2009 at 11:20 AM. Reason : .]

4/17/2009 11:19:42 AM

Of course, she's wrong, as usual.



I've seen plenty of right-wing blogs and such refer to these as "tea bagging." It's only after they realized why they were getting made fun of it that they tried to stem the tide of laughter by saying "we never called it that!"

4/17/2009 11:42:16 AM

While it is reasonable to show concern or for the GOP to voice their disagreement; the amount of petty desperate attention grabbing by Republicans has reached a new low.

Anyone with half a brain can see that all this drama filled tea-party crap and other bitch moves are more about do whatever they can to make themselves look better while discrediting democrats after being catastrophically cut at the knees during last election.

We had 8 years of Bush and only after 3 months of Obama people act like its the fucking apocalypse. Sure the democratic congress needs to cut back on their agenda that is sending spending up past record Bush levels.

Last time i checked the stock market has been on the way up and our descent into the bowels of depression have seem to tapered off. If this is of direct result of Obama's policies; I do not really know. Nonetheless it is obvious and pretty stupid to think that his decision making process so far is all going to end in some catastrophic nightmare.

I am willing to believe a majority of those people protesting actually benefit more under Obama's policies than those of Bush's. For those that are hurt by Obama's tax or spending policies I bet they are doing something a lot more productive that day (time is money) than being a sheep for partisan politics. They likely state their grievances with a real policy maker over the phone or with people of influence at black tie dinners and the such. These people protesting either trust fund babies living off their parents work who have nothing better to do or ignorant blue collar americans who have no true understanding of politics/economic and being a pawn for partisan bickering.



[Edited on April 17, 2009 at 12:38 PM. Reason : l]

4/17/2009 12:30:14 PM

^^congrats, you found someone holding a sign...not a MSNBC or CNN anchor.

4/17/2009 1:28:12 PM

I don't see your point - why would I need an example of CNN or MSNBC saying it? They've been saying it all along. My point was that they weren't the ones to start saying it, they repeated it over and over because it was funny that nobody realized how stupid it was to call it that.

Because the people going to and organizing those events DID call it that. They came up with it. The first time I saw it was in that photo, which is why I posted it.

http://reteaparty.com/2009/02/27/rick-santelli-is-as-mad-as-hell-chicago-tea-party/
2/27 - post entitled "Tea Bag the Fools in D.C."

http://stopsocialism.wordpress.com/2009/03/14/april-1-2009-tea-bag-the-fools-in-dc/
repeat of the post from 3/14

http://www.humblelibertarian.com/2009/03/reminder-to-tea-bag-fools-in-washington.html
and another

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"In a clip picked up by Maddow and "The Daily Show," Fox News reporter Griff Jenkins said demonstrators were going to "teabag the White House,""

http://www.buzzfeed.com/akdobbins/tea-bag-the-white-house
ff to 1:58 for the guy saying "teabag the white house"

In other words, this quote from coulter

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"Except no one is calling the tea parties "tea bagging" -- except Olbermann and Maddow. Republicans call them "tea parties." "

like 99.999% of the other words that come out of her mouth, is factually wrong and most likely an intentional lie... Not that it's surprising.

And, on top of that, she manages to get in a gay joke on Barney Frank. Good for you, Coulter!

Quote :

"On the other hand, they're not called "tea-bagging parties." (That, of course refers to the cocktail hour at Barney Frank's condo in Georgetown.)"

[Edited on April 17, 2009 at 1:49 PM. Reason : .]

4/17/2009 1:37:47 PM

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"I am willing to believe a majority of those people protesting actually benefit more under Obama's policies than those of Bush's."

yep, just like Joe the Plumber and countless other low-income or middle-class McCain voters who never took the 30 seconds it takes to look up the candidate tax proposals.

4/17/2009 1:45:27 PM

That woman from the CNN video pretty much owned the reporter. If the majority of the people out there were there for the same reasons as her then I would be in full support. The problem is we don't really have any way of knowing exactly what most of these people are there for. Both "sides" of the national media are characterizing this as the same thing: angry republican protesting. One side reports on it favorably while the other scoffs at it. Fuck us, man. Fuck all of us.

4/17/2009 2:22:54 PM

^ she did come off as more reasonable than the guy holding the kid, but that's not saying much, considering she too had no idea what she's talking about.

4/17/2009 3:59:03 PM

give me a fucking break about the "tax proposals benefiting joe the plumber." A 400 dollar bux tax cut accompanied with 10,000 bux more in taxes a year later does not constitute a "benefit"

4/17/2009 4:09:04 PM

That took me a second. Somehow I thought that her crotch was being censored.

4/17/2009 4:12:56 PM

^ it took me a second to read that as tyranny not tranny...

4/17/2009 4:24:34 PM