since no one reads the last post

Quote :

"what do you guys think of Kevin Smith this year? I didnt see a whole lot of him last year, but everyone is pretty high on him this year and I went out on a limb and took him as my RB2 (behind Deangelo). I have Pierre Thomas and Marshawn Lynch on my bench in case he doesnt pan out."

8/22/2009 10:59:07 PM

eh

8/22/2009 11:29:55 PM

4 starting running backs, eh?

8/22/2009 11:56:15 PM

Pierre Thomas > Kevin Smith this year.

Reggie Bush will not be able to stay on the field, and Thomas will get lots of red zone carries.

Kevin Smith will have a decent year, slightly above last year...somewhere in between a RB2 and RB3.

8/23/2009 12:49:12 AM

This is my team, tell me how bad I'm going to lose, ive never played this before


Philip Rivers

Jerricho Cotchery

Vincent Jackson

Chad Ochocinco

Jonathan Stewart

Derrick Ward

Chris Cooley

Drew Brees

Torry Holt

Donald Brown

Knowshon Moreno

Miles Austin

Andre Brown

8/23/2009 1:50:17 AM

you might have some problems at RB this year, none of those guys (maybe with the exception of D. Ward) are clearcut starters. I would drop Andre Brown and replace him with a serviceable RB or WR


and as far as having 4 starting RBs on my roster - its an 8 team league with 6 bench spots so there were plenty of good players available once my starting roster was set.

8/23/2009 9:13:03 AM

^^ you might end up wanting to trade either PR or Brees for a better RB. (unless you're league has you starting 2 QBs, that would be nasty)

[Edited on August 23, 2009 at 9:26 AM. Reason : and as DROD said, drop Andre...he ruptured his achilles and is out for the season.]

8/23/2009 9:25:29 AM

^^^ As mentioned already, you don't have anyone resembling an RB1. Your WR situation is fine, but it should be better with the RBs that you drafted.

There's really no need to have two top 4 QBs on your team, unless you get one for a steal and plan on using him for trade bait.

I feel like you could probably trade Brees for a solid RB1, at worst Portis or Jacobs, but I'd feel around for what you can get for Rivers and Stewart in a package trade.

8/23/2009 10:15:48 AM

1985: You will never be really good at fantasy until you learn to look at each player for who they are and not be biased (NCSU players). So if you want to be serious about this game, you have to do what is best for your team.

8/23/2009 12:32:01 PM

i had a live draft yesterday that i had to let autodraft since i wasn't here, and i'm actually pleasantly surprised with it. 12 team and i managed to get the first pick. thoughts?

QB mcnabb
WR steve smith (car)
WR randy moss
WR terrell owens
RB adrian peterson
RB ryan grant
TE owen daniels
BN knowshon moreno
BN jay cutler
BN anthony fasani
BN derrick mason
BN dominik hixon

K rod bironas

DEF dallas
BN NYJ

8/23/2009 8:44:02 PM

starters look pretty good, you're pretty light at RB though, I might drop one of your defenses or Mason/Hixon for another decent RB if any are available.

but yeah, your team looks pretty good for an autopick, thats for sure

[Edited on August 23, 2009 at 9:26 PM. Reason : df]

8/23/2009 9:26:01 PM

yeah i didn't bother preranking so i guess that's my fault, but i'm hoping grant can bounce back to his '07 form.

8/23/2009 9:27:48 PM

had our draft Saturday for our hardcore league (I think the 7th year overall), 12 owners, 2 keepers each, PPR, defenses are worth a LOT...great draft, lots of trades, people moving up to jump people etc.

I highly recommend having your draft at Blinco's.


My team:
QB - Matt Ryan
QB - Joe Flacco
RB - AP (keeper)
RB - Chris Johnson (keeper)
RB - Donald Brown
RB - Cedric Benson
WR - Ochocinco
WR - Anthony Gonzalez
WR - Santana Moss
WR - Donald Driver
WR - Laurent Robinson
K - Rob Bironas
DEF - Pittsburgh
DEF - Green Bay

8/24/2009 12:30:35 AM

aside from the keepers, that seems like kind of a weak team overall, especially at WR

although on second thought, i guess with that many starting spots the whole league would be a little watered down. is donald brown a starter?

[Edited on August 24, 2009 at 6:58 AM. Reason : .]

8/24/2009 6:56:17 AM

had my first draft yesterday.... 10 team:

1. (4) DeAngelo Williams
2. (17) Brandon Jacobs
3. (24) Reggie Wayne
4. (37) Terrell Owens
5. (44) Antonio Bryant
6. (57) Jay Cutler
7. (64) Marshawn Lynch
8. (77) Jerricho Cotchery
9. (84) Michael Crabtree
10. (97) Visanthe Shiancoe
11. (104) Chicago
12. (117) Brett Favre
13. (124) Zach Miller
14. (137) Jason Elam

probably took Crabtree a little too early, and i accidentally picked two TE's with the same bye, but otherwise not terrible for my first draft i s'pose. Hopefully my QBs don't suck too bad.

8/24/2009 7:15:05 AM

^^ those arent starting spots...

and you have to appreciate how high was have defensive scoring... a shutout (just a shutout, not taking into account INTs, fumbles etc.) is worth 40 points... so Pittsburgh is a complete badass. So I have two top 10 RBs and the best defense. I am a ton of depth at RB, but I am weak at WR and QB.

8/24/2009 11:17:21 AM

glad I didn't end up in that league, those setting seem whack as fuck

KINDA LIKE YOUR FACE

8/24/2009 11:19:47 AM

not at all... a defense on a good day should get 20-40 points. you have ONE fantasy "player" representing 11 real players or 1/3 of the actual game. Systems where defenses only get 5-10 points on average are retarded, they are basically on the same level as kickers

8/24/2009 11:28:46 AM

im gonna root all season for the steelers to get scored on

8/24/2009 11:32:16 AM

how do the defensive points breakdown?

8/24/2009 11:33:57 AM

^^ thanks buddy, thanks

^ Sack 2
Interception 3
Fumble Recovery 3
Touchdown 6
Safety 3
Block Kick 2
Points Allowed 0 points 40
Points Allowed 1-6 points 30
Points Allowed 7-13 points 20
Points Allowed 14-20 points 10
Points Allowed 21-27 points 0
Points Allowed 28-34 points -5
Points Allowed 35+ points -20

The scoring system has been fined tuned over the years, it is now perfection. As I said above, because the 1 fantasy player is representing 11 defensive players a good performance should equal at least 2 good offensive players performances.

[Edited on August 24, 2009 at 11:37 AM. Reason : f]

8/24/2009 11:33:58 AM

^i disagree with the system being perfection...i would hate it. whether or not the defense represents 11 players or not doesn't matter...it is still one fantasy player. one draft pick or free agent pick up. a garbage time field goal that takes a defense's opponent from 32 to 35 costs you 15 points. that would be infuriating and stupid.

8/24/2009 3:11:13 PM

ah yes, the old "points at the end are worth more than points in the first quarter" argument... the defense shouldnt have allowed the first 32 points to begin with...


and ok, we will go with defense being one fantasy player... if thats the case then why is "one fantasy player" such as a QB or RB worth so much more than a defense in a typical system? They are just "one fantasy player".

Our system makes it a complete game and very realistic. If you have a stout defense, you might be able to get by with a mediocre offense. If your defense sucks you better have the Great Show on Turf equivalent on offense. Defense isnt an afterthought like most leagues. People dont like it at first because it is different but after one year in our league people love it, makes games so much more interesting

[Edited on August 24, 2009 at 3:16 PM. Reason : d]

8/24/2009 3:16:04 PM

That's why I like my league where it's not just one defense unit, it's IDPs out the whazzoo.
2 DTs, 2 DEs, 1 LB, 2 CB, 1 S
And ESPN fixed some of their player positions this year so Ware is no longer an option for a DE and Thomas Davis is no longer playable as a S.

8/24/2009 3:27:21 PM

yeah, that would be the alternative... we've talked about switching to that but it takes the total score element out of things for defense... still might switch at some point down that road

8/24/2009 3:28:52 PM

^^^ok, i take back the part about a garbage time field goal that was just for dramatic effect. say you have pittsburgh defense and big ben throws a pick in the first quarter and they run it back to the 1. pitt defense makes a great stand and holds them to a field goal...but the rest of the game they score 32 points. you still get docked 15 points because of an offensive mistake (yes, the defense shouldn't have given up the other 32, i agree...). surely there are similiar instances of this throughout the year.

^^i don't like that either...i'm a fan of the standard way and more standard scoring.

[Edited on August 24, 2009 at 3:31 PM. Reason : but to each his own...just doesn't seem like as good a system to me.]

8/24/2009 3:30:51 PM

sure that happens... but stuff like that happens all the time on both sides, it evens out in the end.

8/24/2009 3:31:48 PM

my team in ^his aforementioned league.

mind you i gave up the rights to keep Ryan Grant, my 1st rd pick and 3rd rd pick (after the 24 keepers) for MJD.

I think i did ok.

QB Roethlisberger
RB MJD
RB Willie Parker
RB Larry Johnson
RB LeSean McCoy
RB Earnest Graham
RB Rashad Jennings
WR Andre Johnson
WR Wes Welker
WR Steve Breaston
WR Josh Morgan
WR Nate Burleson
TE Zach Miller
K none
DEF San Diego
DEF Carolina

8/24/2009 4:31:56 PM

Here's my team, 12 man, no PPR, no flex. Any suggestions are appreciated.

QB - Matt Ryan
RB - Matt Forte
RB - Clinton Portis
WR - Roddy White
WR - Antonio Bryant
WR - Santana Moss
TE - Jason Witten
K - Robbie Gould
D - Chargers

Bench

QB - Jason Campbell
RB - Beanie Wells
RB - Ahmad Bradshaw
WR - Tory Holt
TE - Visanthe Shiancoe

I'm not sure what to do about having both Matt Ryan and Roddy White on the same team. I didn't actually plan on drafting Ryan, and it seems risky to start a QB/WR combo.

I also have both Portis and Santana Moss. I'm hoping Santana Moss blows up on weeks 2 and 3 against the Lions and the Rams. Maybe, then I can trade him.

I like Beanie Wells and Visanthe Shiancoe on my bench. Campbell has been sucking and I'm not sure Bradshaw will ever be good enough to start in this league unless Jacobs gets hurt.

Do I need to make any preseason trades or dump anyone on my bench? Should I just wait and see what happens in the regular season?

[Edited on August 24, 2009 at 5:52 PM. Reason : ]

8/24/2009 5:49:57 PM

without too much analyzing, you have a great looking team. It's apparent with Portis, Forte, White, Witten, etc, that you waited on a QB. Good job there. You'll have nothing to worry about with Ryan and White. That's a nice combo that will be targeted for years to come.

I am interested in knowing how either Portis or White made it to you in the 3rd round, as it would have had to have been one of them taken there, then Witten in the 4th, right?

Your WR's aren't the main attraction, but Witten is like a solid WR #2, though not having a PPR league takes a little of his value away.

In short, great team. I would focus on dropping your backup TE and going after a sleeper WR out there in 12 man waiver worlds like maybe Crayton, Heyward-Bey, Josh Cribbs, etc.

8/24/2009 6:27:05 PM

I had the #3 pick. 5 QBs and Marion Barber got taken very early, so I was able to pick up Portis and White in the 2nd and 3rd rounds. I took Witten at #46 in the 4th and picked up Matt Ryan in the 5th since he was the highest ranked QB left and they seemed to be flying off the board. In retrospect, I probably should have drafted WR/WR in the 5th and the 6th and picked up Cutler in the 8th.

8/24/2009 7:29:19 PM

1. LaDainian Tomlinson
2. Roddy White
3. Tony Gonzalez
4. Marshawn Lynch
5. Anthony Gonzalez
6. Carson Palmer
7. Donald Brown
8. Lance Moore
9. LeSean McCoy
10. Tampa Bay
11. Kevin Faulk
12. Mason Crosby
13. Robert Meachem


14 team league. I picked 9. Hoping palmer comes through for me.

[Edited on August 24, 2009 at 9:04 PM. Reason : PPR league!]

8/24/2009 9:03:49 PM

If I start OchoCinco as a receiver, could I get points for FG's and XP's?

8/24/2009 9:12:54 PM

you should

8/24/2009 9:28:46 PM

^^ you probably will. i know i lost one week and missed the playoffs because the other guys kicker threw a TD, so if they get points you should for that too. not that he will with them signing sam swank but still

8/24/2009 9:39:45 PM

12 team league, PPR, 6 pts for passing TD

QB Brees
RB Slaton
RB K Smith
WR Bowe
WR Berrian
WR Gonzalez
W/T Holt
TE Winslow
K Folk
DEF Arizona

BN Knowshon Moreno
BN Felix Jones
BN Kyle Orton
BN Steve Smith (NYG)
BN Jerious Norwood
BN Kevin Curtis

Great? Horrible?

8/24/2009 10:42:03 PM

good offense, not so good defense

8/25/2009 12:14:50 AM

QB Rivers
RB MJD
RB Pierre Thomas
WR Andre Johnson
WR Ochocinco
WR Cotchery
TE Dallas Clark
K John "Golden Boot" Kasay
DEF Chicago

BN Jon Stewart
BN Knowshon Moreno
BN Chad Pennington
BN Domenik Hixon
BN Devin Hester
BN Brett Favre (15th round joke pick)

I don't see any glaring deficiencies here, but what do yall think?

I'm going to drop favre, is it better to have a backup D or a backup TE?

8/25/2009 2:40:49 AM

^neither. take a chance on a sleeper WR or RB for the first couple weeks until your defense or kicker has a bye and you have to drop someone.

8/25/2009 6:39:57 AM

Quote :

"I can keep 4 from last year's team: Brees, Drew QB NO McFadden, Darren RB OAK Thomas, Pierre RB NO Cotchery, Jerricho WR NYJ Holmes, Santonio WR PIT Johnson, Calvin WR DET Longwell, Ryan K MIN Buccaneers DST Quinn, Brady QB CLE Fargas, Justin RB OAK Hightower, Tim RB ARI McAllister, Deuce RB NO Hixon, Domenik WR NYG Bills DST Heavy lean towards Brees, Johnson, Thomas, and McFadden. The Steelers homer in me really wants to keep Holmes, but the 4 I listed are probably the way to go. I don't want McFadden to end up being a stud and know I let him go. That happened to me last year with Turner."

Quote :

"btw in the league i posted my roster for, td's are 6 (even passing) and it's 1 point per 25 rush/receiving yards, 1 point per 50 passing, and it's not PPR."

8/25/2009 8:45:13 AM

I'd agree with the 4 you listed to begin with: Brees, Thomas, Calvin, McFadden

do you not play TE's?

[Edited on August 25, 2009 at 9:03 AM. Reason : adsf]

8/25/2009 9:02:56 AM

Quote :

"good offense, not so good defense"

Well I guess that's awesome then. We have normal scoring for defenses.

8/25/2009 9:16:17 AM

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8/25/2009 2:07:29 PM

So my team in 12 Man Standard League is

QB - D. Mcnabb
WR - W. Welker
WR - H. Ward
RB - Deo Williams
RB - R. Grant
TE - K. Boss
WR/RB - P. Harvin
Bench - D. Hester
Bench - F. Jones
Bench - T. Holt
Bench - M. Muhammed
Bench - D. Heyward-Bey

We also doing 2 DB, 2 LB, 2D

But anyways... Another team just offered TE- K. Winslow & RB-L. McClain for TE-K. Boss & RB-F. Jones.

I countered with from my team: TE-K. Boss & RB-F. Jones for His team:TE-K. Winslow & RB-D. McFadden.

He counters with from his team: RB-L. McClain & RB-E. Graham for My Team: RB-F. Jones & WR-P. Harvin

Thoughts? I am rejecting the counter...I think this original and counter offers are a joke.


III

8/25/2009 4:14:53 PM

hmm, i didnt know marshawn was suspended

8/25/2009 8:44:58 PM

we play 3 WR/TE and I typically avoid TE's when I can.

8/26/2009 8:30:43 AM

Nothing to panic about yet for all of you Derrick Ward followers, but it is interesting that a completely healthy Ward will not start in Preseason Week 3, the biggest of all preseason weeks. Starting in his place is Cadillac Williams, a surprise considering most assume he is third on the Bucs depth chart at running back.

Coach Raheem Morris said Williams will play two series on Thursday, followed by either Derrick Ward or Earnest Graham playing the next two, with the odd man out getting a single series. He also said that could be how he manages his three backs during the regular season.

Very Interesting and further proof that if a 2 man RBBC wasn't shitty enough, the 3 man RBBC is even worse. The worst news is, more and more teams are doing the 3 man (Oakland, Tampa, New Orleans, etc)

8/26/2009 9:47:39 PM

just had our draft tonight, how does this team look?

Starters:
QB Shaub
RB Tomlinson
RB LenDale White
WR Fitzgerald
WR Welker
WR Cotchery
TE Zach Miller
D/ST Giants
K Kasay

Bench:
QB Delhomme
RB Leon Washington (absolute steal IMO)
RB Ricky Williams
WR Chris Chambers
WR Percey Harvin
TE Heath Miller
K Tynes

(took LT with the 9th pick in the 1st round)

8/26/2009 10:12:20 PM

good WRs, especially in PPR.

Shitty RBs unless its not PPR, I do like Washington though

meh, I would have you bottom of the pack

[Edited on August 26, 2009 at 10:20 PM. Reason : d]

8/26/2009 10:20:11 PM

interesting fitz lasted until the 2nd round. doesn't seem to be typical for what i've been seeing.

8/27/2009 7:34:05 AM