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"I do know one thing, BoB didn't have any tits. Not complaining here, just pointing it out."

amen to that!

4/6/2010 1:04:05 PM

and how

4/6/2010 3:17:48 PM

yes it did too have tits - think it was the episode "Why We Fight"

4/6/2010 4:22:31 PM

When is Anna Torv's episode?

4/6/2010 4:39:50 PM

^^ Yea I seem to remember some guy bwning a hot blonde in germany, and that one badass sgt. busted in the door looking for his loot.

[Edited on April 6, 2010 at 5:19 PM. Reason : sgt. spear was it?]

4/6/2010 5:19:20 PM

if there was tits it was a very short flash of them, not like in The Pacific

4/6/2010 7:43:21 PM

the are gonna have to get some comfort women in here to make it as good as bob

4/6/2010 9:24:06 PM

how many transition episodes are they going to have, pt 1, pt 3 and pt 4 all transitions.

4/6/2010 10:05:08 PM

The battles are boring. its just japs getting mowed the fuck down

4/6/2010 10:19:21 PM

agreed, the closest thing we had to a cool battle was Mr. Medal of Honor going rambo

4/6/2010 10:23:13 PM

the Peleliu battles seem intense. Iwo Jima and Okinawa ought to be no turkey shoot either.

4/7/2010 5:10:23 PM

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"The battles are boring. its just japs getting mowed the fuck down"

yeah so i flew back from Scotland on Monday and i had the last two episodes of the Pacific ready to watch on the plane but i got seated and there was a Japanese family sitting on both sides of me in coach. Heh. Decided not to watch it.

4/7/2010 5:27:15 PM

Holy shit. That was an awesome episode.

4/11/2010 10:47:10 PM

Second that. First episode I watched in this series where you could actually get a taste of the intensity of a marine landing. If my history jives right, then next episode is going to be crazy as well.

4/11/2010 10:57:55 PM

i told you guys

4/12/2010 10:57:30 AM

the closer they get to mainland japan = the more intense the fighting will be.

4/12/2010 1:13:55 PM

I don't feel the brotherhood bond in this one. I really felt it in saving private ryan and band of brothers - just not in this series.

4/12/2010 2:09:47 PM

maybe you aren't supposed to.

4/12/2010 2:25:59 PM

shocking news - the war in the pacific was different than the war in europe

i don't think people realize the time frame of what went on in the pacific vs. what happened in europe.

Easy Company was in theater during the war for less than 11 months (6 June 44 D-Day till 8 May 45 V-E Day). they they spent the next 6 or so months in occupation before being disbanded in Nov 45.

Meanwhile, the battle for Guadalcanal lasted from 7 Aug 42 till 9 Feb 43. That's more than half the total length of our ground war in Europe.

The last episode had the start of the Battle of Peleliu. That landing happened on 15 Sept 1944. In other words, from the time they set foot on Guadalcanal until the time they set foot on Peleliu, more than 2 years had passed during the Pacific Campaign. 25 months of war in the pacific vs. 11 months of war in Europe.

This isn't the same story. It's not supposed to be Band of Brother's Part 2. It's supposed to be telling the story of the 1st Marines in the Pacific Campaign. If you'd stop looking for long arcing stories that aren't there, you'd appreciate it more for what it is - a good telling of a story that often gets overlooked.

[Edited on April 12, 2010 at 2:45 PM. Reason : .]

4/12/2010 2:43:27 PM

perhaps it's the storytellers fault that they give absolutely no frame of reference or timeline so unless you either know or go look up the history behind it, its hard to know what the fuck is going on.

4/12/2010 2:56:48 PM

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"i don't think people realize the time frame of what went on in the pacific vs. what happened in europe."

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"Meanwhile, the battle for Guadalcanal lasted from 7 Aug 42 till 9 Feb 43. That's more than half the total length of our ground war in Europe."

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"you'd appreciate it more for what it is - a good telling of a story that often gets overlooked."

I have a really tough time saying it's a "good telling of a story" when if it weren't for me looking it up, I'd have no idea how long they were on quadalcanal, or how long the battle was in which Basilone went far above the call of duty. And you yourself, who claims it's good story telling, also claim that people don't realize the time frame. We're halfway through, if people don't realize the time frame by now... isn't that a failure on the part of the story tellers?

Having a sense of the amount of time passing is a crucial part of story telling imo. The Pacific has failed on that front on more than one occasion. And oddly enough, the battles and their duration is much more of a focus than the relationships (which is how it mostly differs from BoB so far).

IMO, the only episode that has done a good job at getting at the duration they've been there is this past episode which focused on how exhausted a lot of the guys were.


And I'm not sure that Band of Brothers was any better at portraying time more accurately. But a lot of the focus there was on the relationships, not specific battles necessarily. And while I won't say that The Pacific lacks that component, it's not as prominent imo. There are still guys who are in every episode who I can't name.


And while it's not supposed to be Band of Brothers 2 or Saving Private Ryan 3, etc., it is a WWII movie, and has some of the key people behind it as those 2 stories. It's reasonable to expect some similarities. Even if it was 100% different people, it's still a war story. They aren't completely reinventing the wheel here. And this isn't comparing 2001 Space Odyssey to Legally Blonde.

It's very fair to compare it to BoB, SPR - especially if they're going to throw those titles out there for advertising. When I see "from the creators of X, Y, and Z" in front of a story, they're specifically trying to appeal to fans of those titles. They drew me in with those titles and names, I'm going to compare it to them in some regard. SPR and BoB are both different stories. I still hold them in equal regard. I'd have a tough time picking one of those over the other. I like The Pacific a lot, but it's an easy 3rd for me (up until this point).

[Edited on April 12, 2010 at 3:12 PM. Reason : .]

4/12/2010 3:08:02 PM

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"There are still guys who are in every episode who I can't name."

Maybe I'm some odd brand of retard, but I sure as hell couldn't name the non-Nixon/Winters characters in BoB the first time I watched it on TV with a week in between each episode. I'm at about the same point with this one -- I know Leckie, Basilone, Sledge and Sledge's friend on sight.

4/12/2010 3:14:08 PM

Sledge's friend's name is Sid. At this point I know, Lechie, Sledge, Basilone, Stella, Chesty Puller, Sledge, Sid, J.P. Morgan (mostly because of his name), and that guy Gibs who was locked up in the hospital (though I only know him from that episode).

Personally, I'm usually pretty good with character names while watching an ongoing series. Now, I can't tell you the names of characters in something I watched 3 years ago. Shit, the only name I could have given you from BoB is Garneer (I know that's not how's spelled but it's close to how it's spoken). I know who Nixon and Winters are with you saying the names. And I knew the characters, sans names. Ryan is the only name I could give you from SPR, and for the obvious reason. Although i could name a lot of the actors and the "roles" they played.

So, maybe it's me who's the odd brand of retard.

4/12/2010 3:52:09 PM

I don't know what more you people want as far as understanding the time frame. They give us dates during the map interludes between each changing of story arc. It wasn't hard to figure out the guys were on Pavuvu for ~6 months before heading to Peleliu. What else do you want, some bad dialog and exposition with a character basically telling you how long it's been? you don't need your hand held through this.

4/12/2010 4:09:22 PM

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"Maybe I'm some odd brand of retard, but I sure as hell couldn't name the non-Nixon/Winters characters in BoB the first time I watched it on TV with a week in between each episode."

I think people know so many characters because we've all seen it multiple times on HBO, the History Channel, and Spike, as well as the DVDs.

The first time I saw it I just new Winters, Nixon, Ross from friends, and the sarge from NKOTB.

4/12/2010 4:16:55 PM

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"It wasn't hard to figure out the guys were on Pavuvu for ~6 months before heading to Peleliu. What else do you want, some bad dialog and exposition with a character basically telling you how long it's been?"

Nobody is saying "it's hard to figure out." We're saying that it doesn't seem to be taking that long from the way the story is told/portrayed - from what we're actually seeing.

Bad dialogue and exposition is exactly what I don't want. But as you pointed out, it's essentially what they're doing. I'll give them that it's not "bad dialog", it's Hanks narrating or some text over a map. But they are telling instead of showing. It's a pretty basic concept in film/television - show, don't tell. If it weren't for the tidbits that you get in the very beginning, the sense of time would be even worse. In the battles we've seen so far, they haven't done a good job of portraying how much time is passing (aside from them telling us at the very beginning.. and that doesn't include everything). If it weren't for them TELLING us, I'd be way off.

And shit, the battle for which Basilone was awarded the Medal of Honor lasted 3 days. The way they did it made it seem like 1 night. They could have done that much better.

4/12/2010 5:00:38 PM

glad to see Radio Flyer boy make a respectful role

4/14/2010 4:07:05 PM

finally I get to watch this episode (V) on a decent TV/Sound System

4/15/2010 8:02:20 PM

Watching this, you get the sense that the japanese could not fight at all. Just completely incompetent

4/18/2010 1:05:50 PM

what did you expect? An American series about how awesome they were and how we lost, but ultimately won because of our bombz

4/18/2010 1:06:39 PM

^ ... what?

4/18/2010 1:08:54 PM

^^ ah, it's the old fallacy-laden tactic of

1. Assert your opponent took the most extreme position
2. Show that this extreme position is ridiculous
3. Assume that your own position is correct


I was simply wondering whether the japs were really this shitty. Can a grownup answer my question?

4/18/2010 1:13:39 PM

Banzai attacks on entrenched machine gun positions, though honorable to a shintoist, generally result in pretty high casualties.

4/18/2010 1:18:57 PM

HERE WE COME, SHOOT US = BAAAAAAANZAAAIIIIIII

4/18/2010 3:01:38 PM

Can someone get this retard out of this thread?

4/18/2010 4:12:02 PM

so in the doc part they show at the beginning, who is the oldest guy in the glasses. he seems more scarred than the rest

4/18/2010 9:59:31 PM

Probably won't find out until the last episode

4/18/2010 10:16:44 PM

can not read any post, must download

4/18/2010 10:17:53 PM

What time do these usually become available for download?

4/18/2010 10:57:32 PM

I watched Part Six last night. Holy shitballs that was crazy.

4/19/2010 8:41:58 AM

I'm no expert on Japanese tactics during WWII, but from what little I know, the Japanese tactics weren't particularly impressive during the initial stages of the war. However, as time progressed, they began to adapt and did a much better job of drawing in the Americans and striking them from heavily fortified and honeycombed positions. You already are starting to see some of that these past two episodes where the marines are beginning to have to deal with these heavily fortified bunkers.

4/19/2010 12:54:32 PM

they also had very intricate cave and tunnel systems interwoven throughout their positions. that had been mentioned very briefly towards the end of the episode last night.

4/19/2010 12:58:24 PM

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"What time do these usually become available for download?"

Are we talking torrents here or legit? If they are available via the HBO website or something I would love to know.

4/19/2010 2:05:20 PM

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"What time do these usually become available for download?"

SD is usually within the hour after it airs, HD takes a few hours. Don't know if HBO puts them online.

4/19/2010 2:11:15 PM

That guy who plays the character Snafu... what has he been in before? He looks really familiar.

4/19/2010 5:12:53 PM

this season's 24

4/19/2010 5:37:55 PM

^^I thought so too, but I guess not.

http://www.imdb.com/name/nm1785339/

4/20/2010 3:39:00 AM

^lol I pulled up IMDB on him too but nothing on there stands out. Maybe he isn't credited on something.

4/20/2010 9:04:05 AM

if you guys ever watched the Fox sitcom The War at Home, with Michael Rappaport, Rami Malek played the son's best friend Kenny who everyone knew was gay before he himself did. His character was probably one of the best things about the show.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wGZMvcsF63k&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZNM7SV8uCjo&feature=related

[Edited on April 20, 2010 at 9:21 AM. Reason : add]

4/20/2010 9:17:53 AM

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"That guy who plays the character Snafu... what has he been in before? He looks really familiar."

Didn't he play the Pharaoh character in Night at the Museum? Akhmen Rah or something like that? Don't give me to much shit for remembering stuff like this.

[Edited on April 20, 2010 at 2:00 PM. Reason : .]

4/20/2010 1:56:57 PM