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"i dont understand your definition of Hate what im saying is that he doesnt make the best decisions with the football and is overly reliant on his athleticsm and either runs around for 5 seconds until he gets sacked or throws it across his body to somebody way over yonder and gets picked off or is horribly off target. it is laughable that you sit there and recommend people skip practice. That why we will underperform this year, the year after that, and the year after that. No one is going to actually GET better by not going to practice I mean we all loved TA after his sophomore year right? look where that god given athleticsm got him sorry that dissent is trolling to you. that my opinion on russel wilson not a fuckin troll job. I am a guy that believes hardwork and preparation leads to rewards, not goin out there on gameday and wingin it"

Wow. Do you really believe the idiocy you are spewing? You want to lose one of the best QB's ever and bring in an unknown simply because Glennon is around durning spring practice? I am pretty sure that if Glennon was going to give us a better chance to win this year TOB would have simply made the QB position an open competition and quietly told RW to focus on baseball.

1/6/2011 2:57:07 PM

^^ haha exactly.

^ No one is saying burn his ass at the stake for missing spring practice. I would just rather see him there. We all support RW.

[Edited on January 6, 2011 at 3:02 PM. Reason : ]

1/6/2011 3:01:18 PM

i didnt say i want to lose him, just that im largely indifferent for the reasons stated

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"No fucking shit. I think you're missing the bottom line...people in this thread are like, "fuck him if he doesn't want to practice in the Spring." He can do anything he god damn pleases in the Spring as long as he comes back and plays for us next year. He probably can do better if he were to play Spring ball...but I'll still take another season like this...hopefully with a couple less interceptions. "

unh huh...

[Edited on January 6, 2011 at 3:44 PM. Reason : f]

1/6/2011 3:41:30 PM

i can understand the glennon now argument if you're looking at the long-term and want him game-seasoned for what we hope is a sick 2012 senior-laden campaign.

but with next year's joke of a schedule, we gotta play our best hand. and that means russell.

1/6/2011 4:33:14 PM

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"but with next year's joke of a schedule, we gotta play our best hand"

this does not really make sense

1/6/2011 4:43:07 PM

made perfect sense to me.

1/6/2011 4:57:55 PM

Armorforsleep getting outsmarted by TWW's resident downy

1/6/2011 4:59:43 PM

So, w/ an easy schedule next year, we play RW (assuming he comes back)?

But, if the schedule were tougher, we'd play Glennon?

1/6/2011 5:00:15 PM

We have an easier schedule next year

Let's make sure we don't fuck it up, let's make sure we've got a guy under center who we trust

It's not that hard guys

1/6/2011 5:01:33 PM

for once, ernie and I agree.

its simple. reading comprehension ftw.

1/6/2011 5:02:58 PM

I don't agree with a word of that

I'm just explaining it to people who inexplicably are less mentally capable than you

1/6/2011 5:03:47 PM

Tyler and John, sittin in a tree

1/6/2011 5:04:17 PM

2011 Worst Thread of the Year already locked up?

1/6/2011 5:04:39 PM

nah just some of the worst reading comprehension

its like arguing with a woman.

1/6/2011 5:05:25 PM

finally, something we dont agree on.

how can you not agree with that?

The schedule is relatively easy and RW is the man for the moment...should he come back.

1/6/2011 5:05:29 PM

put your best man under center with a cake schedule anddddddddd

maybe go 12-0? ACCCG? BCS?

the possibilities are endless

1/6/2011 5:10:47 PM

Has nothing to do with "reading comprehension". RW is our best bet at winning.

If we have an easy schedule, put him under center.

If we have a hard schedule, put him under center.

If he comes back, put him under center.

1/6/2011 5:12:19 PM

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"If he comes back, put him under center."

I mean. It really only comes down to this.

1/6/2011 5:18:57 PM

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"I see you suffer from the Sports Talk Read Between The Lines To Support My Argument syndrome"

I wasn't arguing with you anyway Ernie. You're not quite as important as you think are.

Please read between these lines and tell me how I got them mixed up:

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"because obviously we are getting subpar results on the field and if you look at russel wilson play snap by snap and think it is OK that he doesnt get his reps in during the off season with any receivers then i dono what to say brah if thats what its come to then I hope he bounces id rather someone that will be around fuck up during games and gain experience than have some guy that mails it in in the offseaon and hops his ass onto a football field saturdays and plays yard ball"

1/6/2011 5:23:24 PM

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"I wasn't arguing with you anyway Ernie. You're not quite as important as you think are."

I'm also not as self-centered as you seem to think I am

What I quoted wasn't said by anyone in the thread, not even close

You just hyperboled the hell out of the argument to make a (bad) point

I hope you're a better lawyer than you are an internet discussionist

[Edited on January 6, 2011 at 5:28 PM. Reason : man come on, it's BHS. It's not even intelligible let alone worthy of rebutting]

1/6/2011 5:25:31 PM

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"I'm also not as self-centered as you seem to think I am"

Everybody is self-centered on the internet.

1/6/2011 5:31:34 PM

He's not.

That's why he has to work at a bar to make ends meet.

1/6/2011 5:31:52 PM

does every school have this many idiots in their fan base?

1/6/2011 5:49:10 PM

^more even.

there's a thread over on IC where one of their long time posters did not understand the concept of rankings and ties in rankings.

I.E.

If you have the following records:

NCSU: 3-0
Duke: 2-1
MD:2-1
UNC: 2-1
FSU: 2-1
VT:0-3

This person thought that VT was in 3rd place instead of 6th and he was calling people who said otherwise following voodoo math.

1/6/2011 5:54:20 PM

haha, yeah i don't think we could ever match the idiocy in chapel hill. at least we got that goin for us.

1/6/2011 5:57:56 PM

The idiocy is not in Chapel Hill

It's in Waynesville, Pittsboro, Burlington and where ever else most of their "fans" reside

1/6/2011 6:19:08 PM

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"He's not. That's why he has to work at a bar to make ends meet."

True. And to support my alcoholism and coke habit.

1/6/2011 9:07:34 PM

Don't talk down about Burlington! There are many Wolfpack that reside in Burlington and in the nearby cities, myself included.

1/6/2011 9:26:00 PM

He means the redneck unc-ch fans that never attended the school. Don't get your panties in a wad.

1/6/2011 9:29:32 PM

Yeah, I realize that. I don't understand why so many rednecks are UNC-CH fans anyway... what with all the hippie-ness that goes on around that campus.

On topic, I'm personally hoping that Wilson comes back next year. I've grown into quite a Wilson fan. Unfortunately, I'm not sure if he'll ever be an NFL starter due to his size... if only he were a little taller. Skillwise, he's probably a better QB that most of NFL starters, or has the potential to become better at least.

[Edited on January 6, 2011 at 9:34 PM. Reason : On Topic-ness]

1/6/2011 9:32:52 PM

^ haha that just gave me an idea...

we should get a few buses together, go around to some rural NC towns, Saturday afternoon, peak walmart hours, and "bus" them to Chapel Hill and let them see the actual cess-pool of humanity they support. then just leave them there and let them fight it out with the hippies.

1/6/2011 9:46:41 PM

Id rather put them in a bus and drive them off a cliff.

1/6/2011 9:50:26 PM

Also load ramses with wal-mart nation and then crash the buses into their shitty belltower and do three birds with one stone

1/6/2011 9:59:10 PM

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"And if you seriously think Glennon can come close to sniffing something like that^...then you are off your fucking rocker."

Why couldn't he? Not saying I am for Glennon to start over RW, but Glennon hasn't even got a chance and many of you are already throwing him in the Beck/Evans/Davis/Stone pile and that's complete bullshit. What little bit I have seen of MG makes those 4 look like they have down's.

1/6/2011 10:03:11 PM

something similar has prob already been said, but i bet mike glennon is spending all his free time telling RW how badly the majors need a midfielder with speed who can kinda pitch and how short qb's never make it anywhere in the nfl except to the hospital w/ a concussion.

[Edited on January 6, 2011 at 10:59 PM. Reason : a]

1/6/2011 10:59:16 PM

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"I don't understand why so many rednecks are UNC-CH fans anyway... what with all the hippie-ness that goes on around that campus."

Yeah, I find that highly amusing. I mean, CH/Carboro ain't a bad town, their music-scene destroys Raleigh's, but it's kinda weird that so many red-blooded, red-state, god-fearing, libs-are-the-antichrist non-alumnis are "die-hard" fans of the liberal arts college. Or Duke for that matter. You'd think they'd pull for the good ol' boy farmers. But I'm fine with that. We've got enough dumb-ass fans.

(this thread couldn't get any stupider)

1/6/2011 11:10:32 PM

if glennon doesn't get to play this year we will never get a high quality qb recruit ever again.

1/6/2011 11:29:52 PM

No, we'll just never have depth and the program will not move forward.

And for those of you thinking we are hating on Wilson, you are just plain stupid. That's not what we're doing at all. But given my choices of a rusty Wilson one more year, or letting our next QB get a full starting season against a weak schedule so he can get game experience and be prepared for his senior season, which will be tougher, and we can recruit and start developing our next big QB, then I choose the latter for the strength of the program. That is not in disrespect to Wilson and what he has meant to the program and to the school and that doesn't mean he won't be supported if he chooses to come back. It's just looking at the big picture and being tired of Orlando and "what could have been". Just look at the Davis/Stone/Evans/Beck era for an example of what happens when you don't create and develop depth at the position.

If Russell comes back and we don't win a championship and then Glennon gets to play for 1 year after spending 4 on the bench and sucks ass because he never got real game experience before then---I don't want to hear jack shit from any of you about how the team sucks, Glennon sucks, TOB sucks, fire everyone, etc. Just sayin'.

1/7/2011 9:52:56 AM

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"Just look at the Davis/Stone/Evans/Beck era for an example of what happens when you don't create and develop depth at the position."

Those guys failing had absolutely nothing to do with "creating and developing depth"...they just all sucked.

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" If Russell comes back and we don't win a championship and then Glennon gets to play for 1 year after spending 4 on the bench and sucks ass because he never got real game experience before then"

I'm trying really hard to understand this logic. If he sucks ass the year after next...then he probably would suck next year if given the opportunity to start...also ruining a shot at an acc championship.

If we don't win an ACC championship next year it won't be because of Russel Wilson. It will be because of our d-line, inability to develop a solid running game, pass protection, etc.

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"unh huh..."

You know Wilson threw 150 more passes this year? He made more mistakes than he usually does, but we passed the ball wwwaaayyy too much this year...defenses dropped more guys back, Wilson took too many chances...hence more interceptions.

1/7/2011 10:06:49 AM

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"I'm trying really hard to understand this logic. If he sucks ass the year after next...then he probably would suck next year if given the opportunity to start...also ruining a shot at an acc championship."

But he would be starting against a weaker schedule. Sure, he'll make mistakes BECAUSE HE HASN'T PLAYED. What's the point of having a QB with no game experience play one year? You need a learning curve somewhere.

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"Those guys failing had absolutely nothing to do with "creating and developing depth"...they just all sucked. "

Were they Rivers or Wilson, no--but there aren't that many of those. Why did we not get in anything better behind Rivers? No playing time. And you're kidding yourself if you didn't think Davis would have been better prepared and more experienced if he got more playing time against all the 2A schools we played instead of leaving Rivers in well into the 4th quarter to pad his stats for a Heisman he never really had a chance at winning. Was he ever going to be as good as River's? No. But we had a hell of a lot talent still around him.

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"If we don't win an ACC championship next year it won't be because of Russel Wilson. It will be because of our d-line, inability to develop a solid running game, pass protection, etc."

Well we didn't win one this year either and the reason was the offense. Defense bailed them out.

1/7/2011 11:26:53 AM

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"What's the point of having a QB with no game experience play one year? You need a learning curve somewhere."

Mark Sanchez says hello.

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"Were they Rivers or Wilson, no--but there aren't that many of those. Why did we not get in anything better behind Rivers? No playing time. And you're kidding yourself if you didn't think Davis would have been better prepared and more experienced if he got more playing time against all the 2A schools we played instead of leaving Rivers in well into the 4th quarter to pad his stats for a Heisman he never really had a chance at winning. Was he ever going to be as good as River's? No. But we had a hell of a lot talent still around him. "

I'm sorry man, but this stuff happens at every school. Unless you're constantly blowing people out or playing a two-qb system, once your QB graduates (or sucks so bad you have to bench him) you your new quarterback will ALWAYS be unproven. And Stone and Davis got plenty of time under center over the course of several years and they just never got better.

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"Well we didn't win one this year either and the reason was the offense. Defense bailed them out."

You must have missed the Virginia Tech, Maryland, and ECU games. While they made some mistakes, the offense in all three of those games scored enough for us to win. The only game the offense completely shut the bed in was the Clemson game.

1/7/2011 11:49:16 AM

Sanchez got a lot of PT the year before.

1/7/2011 11:52:00 AM

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"Sanchez got a lot of PT the year before."

He played in three games, doing extremely well in the first two games after doing absolute shit his first two years there.

I don't see why people are scared that Glennon will not do anything his senior year. The guy will have been practicing under the same offensive system for four years and throwing to similar receivers the whole time. His body will have developed and he will have watched a shit ton of football. Other than maybe the Tennessee game, he will get his share of patsies before ACC play starts. What the difference in him starting next year and him starting the year after??

I just hope, (1) he doesn't even think of transferring and (2) we recruit some QBs to step in once he graduates.

I still believe that if you even think that not putting Russel Wilson under center next year (if he were to come back) gives us the best chance to win...then you are probably partially retarded.

1/7/2011 12:10:44 PM

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"Well we didn't win one this year either and the reason was the offense. Defense bailed them out. "

Our offense was 2nd in the ACC in points scored. Our defense was 6th. (Against ACC teams only)

There are areas on both sides of the ball and on special teams that are to blame for not winning the ACC. Blaming the offense alone is stupid.

[Edited on January 7, 2011 at 12:14 PM. Reason : ^^^]

1/7/2011 12:13:42 PM

I'm not worried about 2 seasons from now. RW gives us the best chance to win next season. Period. If we win the ACC next season I'll still be on a high the following season and won't be upset IF Glennon sucks.

1/7/2011 12:40:15 PM

^^^

You hope a 4 star recruit doesn't even think of transferring when there is a strong possibility of him only playing 1 year? Unlike Wilson, Glennon actually has the size to go along with the strong suits of an NFL QB 2 (from what we have seen anyways).

I like Russell as much as the next guy, and I'll be happy for him in whatever path he chooses. He has done a lot for NC State, and I can't thank him enough for that. I do, however, feel that Glennon playing next year is better for us in the long run.

I also won't be mad is Russell returns...

[Edited on January 7, 2011 at 12:51 PM. Reason : ^'s]

1/7/2011 12:51:21 PM

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"You hope a 4 star recruit doesn't even think of transferring when there is a strong possibility of him only playing 1 year? Unlike Wilson, Glennon actually has the size to go along with the strong suits of an NFL QB 2 (from what we have seen anyways)."

I'm not related to Glennon...so I'm not too concerned about his future after NC State.

Could he possibly transfer and get more exposure (more time at least) at another school?? Probably.

But if he's got the goods, it really won't matter in the long run. Hopefully our program will have developed even more by his senior year and he can play a lot of games on national television for a ranked team.

If Matt Cassel can get to the league as a backup QB at USC, then Glennon can make it after only starting one year for NC State.

[Edited on January 7, 2011 at 12:59 PM. Reason : .]

1/7/2011 12:59:12 PM

^... I don't think I believe that

USC >>>> NC State

1/7/2011 1:15:13 PM

You're seriously going to compare exposure of QBs at NC State to those of USC?

And you don't have to be related to a player to care about his future. I want our players to do well so it can enhance our program. I think Russell Wilson will always be thought of as a great college QB, but I honestly don't think he'll even have a shot at making a name for himself in the pros. I certainly hope I'm wrong, though.

1/7/2011 1:17:48 PM

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"if glennon doesn't get to play this year we will never get a high quality qb recruit ever again.d"

totally agree, maybe not EVER AGAIN but... it will hurt tob's playing time impact credibility

1/7/2011 1:18:42 PM