^^^^ I know. We should let one player hold the entire team hostage until mid-July, just because he is talented. We shouldn't give a fuck how that makes the rest of the team feel or how it affects team unity and morale. Yep, we should just do nothing until July, have no game plan until July, or whenever a guy decides what he wants to do, just because that guy is good. Yep, that's a GREAT idea.

8/16/2011 11:46:38 PM

Quote :

"In sports, in life, and in work, my-way-or-the-highway is a sign of poor leadership. Being inflexible is a sign of poor leadership. Losing exceptional talent is the poor leadership. Losing talent is in fact the worst thing a leader can do, since recruiting has the biggest impact on organizations."

Lot's of big, bold, all-encompassing statements being made here.... sounds like somebody went to a leadership seminar at a Holiday Inn and got their $75 worth!

8/17/2011 8:23:13 AM

If you found a class that cheap dropping my kind of wisdom, that'd be the deal of the year.

8/17/2011 8:52:59 AM

^^that quote contains lots of a black/white opinions lthat doesn't take a lot of the gray into account. why is this still being debated?

8/17/2011 9:26:10 AM

because people as stupid as skokiaan are still spouting the nonsense that we should let one player hold the entire team hostage for half a year, consequences be damned, as long as that player is pretty good

8/17/2011 7:37:18 PM

Which, of course, is addressed by what is actually happening at Wisconsin. They took on all the supposed risks you faggots asserted, and it turns out that RW has already won their starting job, developed chemistry with their receivers, and is accepted as the team leader.

There is no doubt, here. Wisconsin is proving wrong all the idiotic assumptions our loser "fans" made.

8/17/2011 11:59:21 PM

its been my experience that the people most butthurt about RW's departure are the people from my home town who can only name one player and think if that player leaves then there is no one left.

8/18/2011 12:06:36 AM

would you morons shut up about it already

this has nothing to do with holding the team hostage or any of that nonsense. tob made a simple decision. 2 year of glennon vs 1 of wilson. no surprise that he'd rather get twice as many games out of the guy he hand selected to be the QB from the day he started coaching here.

this "creativity, middle manager" junk is even more ridiculous because it takes massive balls to go with an unknown over an establishment like RW knowing it'll be your ass if it doesnt work out

8/18/2011 12:09:27 AM

RW and his situation are a good fit for UW this year. His situation will likely do no damage to their future chemistry and recruiting efforts. TOB judged that with State (a very different situation indeed!) the best option for the future of the program was to go with Glennon. Surely you realize this, skoiananana and are just trolling our pants off.

8/18/2011 12:09:58 AM

skokiaan's posts read like a lame script callers use when calling into local sports talk shows

8/18/2011 12:28:31 AM

I say we boycott TOB. Boycott the school.

8/18/2011 12:31:45 AM

Quote :

"Anyways, there is no mystery over what TOB should have done with RW. Just do what you did last year or do what Wisconsin is doing now. In sports, in life, and in work, my-way-or-the-highway is a sign of poor leadership. Being inflexible is a sign of poor leadership. Losing exceptional talent is the poor leadership. Losing talent is in fact the worst thing a leader can do, since recruiting has the biggest impact on organizations. The excuses why RW should not have been allowed to swoop in during the fall are complete bullshit. New receivers (as is the case at Wisconsin)? Take extra time after practice to work on it. Earning respect of teammates? Winning earns respect. Demonstrating that you are better than the backup (Glennon or the Wisconsin QB) earns respect. Performance earns far more respect than hanging out. The people who bring up these BS excuses are the types who foolishly limit their options by approaching everything as black and white. People who are actually successful look for creative ways to solve problems and maximize the talent at their disposal. TOB was a middle manager and a process drone in the military, and he takes that same approach to running a FB team. Creativity doesn't come into play. That poor leadership will never achieve at the highest levels."

Great post. Wisconsin's coach is a proven winner. If the assertion made here were correct, then RW would have went and played at UNLV or some sub major team. Instead, he moved up. Now if Wisconsin, loses a bunch of games this year then these people are correct, but I doubt that.

8/18/2011 1:07:08 AM

http://www.cbssports.com/collegefootball/story/15449573/qb-wilson-says-family-faith-fit-led-him-to-the-badgers

Feel-good article about Russell's decision making process and reasons why he chose Wisconsin.

Quote :

""I prayed a lot about it every day and kept going back and forth, and the Lord just came to me," said Wilson, who briefly played minor league baseball with the Asheville (N.C.) Tourists, a Colorado Rockies' Class A affiliate. "I really realized that I need to do this -- give myself an opportunity to play in the NFL -– and go back and play football. It's a realistic opportunity for me and I didn't want to give up on that.""

How can you fault the guy for wanting to take advantage of every opportunity to realize his dream of playing two sports professionally, regardless of how low the probability?

I still think both parties made the correct decision for them and have nothing but respect for each. I hope RW excels at Wisconsin. The burning question if he makes it to the NFL is what school will he mention on his SNF/MNF pre-game intro?

8/19/2011 9:16:08 AM

And for the Draft. It will have to be Wisconsin.

8/19/2011 9:31:29 AM

I just don't know Russell could ever make it as a QB in the NFL. He's short, he doesn't have ridiculous arm strength, he has struggled against most fast opponents he has faced and they only get faster at the next level.

8/19/2011 9:33:46 AM

^Correct, see games versus South Carolina....

8/19/2011 9:53:38 AM

Quote :

""I prayed a lot about it every day and kept going back and forth, and the Lord just came to me," "

[Edited on August 19, 2011 at 9:56 AM. Reason : .]

8/19/2011 9:55:56 AM

I think it's safe to assume that he meant that he reached a moment of clarity after a period of uncertainty and doubt. I don't think he's saying that some angelic figure appeared in front of him, all Princess-Leia-R2D2-hologram style.

8/19/2011 10:11:56 AM

Quote :

"i prayed about it every day and jesus said unto me, son if you ant get your BA above .215 in friggin single A, then you damn well better go back to football"

8/19/2011 10:17:03 AM

8/19/2011 10:29:06 AM

Quote :

"The burning question if he makes it to the NFL is what school will he mention on his SNF/MNF pre-game intro? "

Cam Newton is known as the former Auburn QB, even though he had multiple collegiate stops.

8/19/2011 10:44:40 AM

He also won a MNC and Heisman while at Auburn...

8/19/2011 11:06:14 AM

Quote :

"I just don't know Russell could ever make it as a QB in the NFL. He's short, he doesn't have ridiculous arm strength, he has struggled against most fast opponents he has faced and they only get faster at the next level."

List of Pro Bowl QB's currently in the NFL who are short:

Drew Brees
Michael Vick

also, NFL offensive lines are usually better than the ones we've put on the field. Also, I don't know why people criticize his arm strength. It's plenty strong.

8/19/2011 1:31:57 PM

because there is absolutely no zip on his deep throws

they tend to hang in the air a bit too much

8/19/2011 1:34:45 PM

how tall are vick and brees really? i think they have a few inches on wilson.

8/19/2011 1:35:31 PM

Brees used to be listed at 5' 11", but most publications have him at 6' 0"
Vick is listed at 6' 0"
Russell is listed at 5'11" (it's still weird to see that big "W" next to his name on his ESPN player card.)

[Edited on August 19, 2011 at 1:49 PM. Reason : added RW]

8/19/2011 1:47:48 PM

Vick is much faster/more elusive than RW and Brees is a much better passer than RW. Russell's gonna be great at Wisconsin, I have no doubt of that. But I don't see it translating to the NFL.

[Edited on August 19, 2011 at 2:07 PM. Reason : Wisc]

8/19/2011 2:05:19 PM

TJ Yates will have a better pro career than Russell

You know it's true

8/19/2011 2:21:30 PM

What if Rivers had transferred to Penn State? Hmmmmmmm

8/19/2011 2:24:20 PM

Quote :

"TJ Yates will have a better pro career than Russell "

TJ Yates - 2012 All Pro QB

8/19/2011 4:03:29 PM

Trust me, it won't take that much.

8/19/2011 6:36:55 PM

Quote :

"They took on all the supposed risks you faggots asserted"

only, not really. They are a running team, first and foremost, and they had no QB. Seems like a no-brainer, to me.

8/19/2011 8:08:23 PM

Precisely. Wisconsin is a great fit for him this year because their running game is their strength. They just needed a QB that wouldn't fuck it up. They will not be relying on him as heavily as we rely on our QB. Therefore for both State and RW, the best thing for both is what has played out. I will still think the same if we lose every game this season. The only problem I have with all this is the total douchebag RW turned into after the release went down. I lost a lot of respect for him due to his comments and behavior after the fact.
And I just watched the Vtech game from last year that I previously missed....nice going RW.

8/20/2011 6:16:52 AM

Sorry, but I don't recall RW saying anything wrong or douchey at all after his release. What are you referring to?

8/20/2011 8:21:10 AM

he had the right to say whatever he felt after the way he was tossed out like a piece of trash.

8/20/2011 8:31:50 AM

"like a piece of trash" ???

come on man... think before you post/troll

8/20/2011 8:50:15 AM

Russell Wilson with 1 month of practice and 3 seasons of starting experience is better than some guy with 2 years of scout team experience. That's the fucking bottom line.

Glennon can have all the spring practice and summer practice with the team and receivers he wants. He would not have beaten out Wilson in an open competition in the fall. He hasn't ever come close to beating Wilson.

Requiring Wilson to be at spring practice (unlike the year before) was TOB's bureaucratic way of being a little bitch. He knew that if he let RW have an open competition in the fall, RW would have won the job because he knows that someone with experience can pick up and lead a new task much, much faster than someone without experience. Wilson is proving that right now on a different team.

But as a bureaucrat, TOB hates when people succeed by sidestepping the in-place processes. To a bureaucrat, process is more important than results.

8/20/2011 9:10:17 AM

I'm so sick of this argument. What's done is done...move on.

8/20/2011 9:25:05 AM

^^Pretty sure TOB knew Glennon would transfer so it was a question of value. Russell attending all practices > Glennon for two years but Wilson continuing to not get any better year to year wasn't better than two years of Glennon. It's not hard to figure out.

8/20/2011 9:35:02 AM

You think these moron's bullshit is tired now, just wait til we lose a few and RW is riding a sick running game to blowout victories.

Some of you guys have some very revisionist history going on about this whole situation. Calm the fuck down.

8/20/2011 10:37:30 AM

Quote :

"He hasn't ever come close to beating Wilson."

Ok I'm fairly certain you are trolling because you can't be this dumb, but it has been stated many times that the competition was close and Glennon has almost won the job before. This isn't Peyton Manning and Curtis Painter. STFU about it already.

8/20/2011 11:17:26 AM

RW won the job MG's true freshman year. Then RW performed well in most games and kept the starting job. But how can you possibly know that MG "hasn't ever come close to beating Wilson"? Oh yeah, you're trolling. RW is gone, move on....

8/20/2011 11:25:31 AM

[sarcasm]All you have to do is read and listen to all the hate and discontent from the current and former players about how TOB is putting his rules above the team. Its obvious the team isn't buying into it.[/sarcasm]

8/20/2011 11:49:58 AM

Quote :

"Requiring Wilson to be at spring practice (unlike the year before) was TOB's bureaucratic way of being a little bitch. "

i know. asking a guy to do the same shit that every one else on the team has to do is bullshit. what the fuck what was he thinking? jesus

8/20/2011 8:45:57 PM

that's communist talk

8/20/2011 9:01:24 PM

Favorite troll thread

8/20/2011 9:14:06 PM

NY Times piece on Russ.

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/08/28/sports/ncaafootball/new-quarterback-puts-wisconsin-on-target-for-title-run.html?_r=2&ref=sports

Quote :

"“It was like an old sitcom: there’s always a life lesson,” Harrison IV said. “It was like ‘The Fresh Prince of Bel-Air’ or ‘Full House.’ ”"

[Edited on August 26, 2011 at 3:50 PM. Reason : ""]

8/26/2011 3:49:45 PM

dude on espn just called him the dark horse candidate for heisman, and ranked him the #1 story for the first week of football

8/29/2011 12:38:18 PM

ESPN wants you to know that the quarterback in their primetime kickoff game is the #1 story in college football

That's why you suck, ESPN

8/29/2011 12:39:20 PM

set this bitch up -------->
(for failure)

8/29/2011 2:02:43 PM