^^ What the hell are you rambling about?

Howard's WP/48 was .240 level. Which is just between superstar and superduperstar. And he was hurt all year.

Bismack WP/48 was .05 level. Which means he's a below average center. Like a decent backup.

5/2/2012 12:26:02 AM

no griffin is WAY better than stoudamire and westbrook, dont be ridiculous.



Chandler wasnt healthy in charlotte moron.

Funny, the mavs won a title with him and barely made the playoffs without him.


Yet if they benched dirk for brandan wright they'd be better.

Weird how that works.

5/2/2012 12:27:51 AM

bismack shattered howard's rookie season blocks/48, but since the bobcats as a team only won 7 games, wp48 is gonna be terrible for every player on the team, even decent players like bismack, henderson and augustin, rendering that a completely useless stat for anyone who follows sports, case closed

5/2/2012 12:33:50 AM

face, I respect your NBA knowledge, even much more that TreeTwista10's..........but you give me a starting squad of:

Harden-PG
Westbrook-SG
Stoudamire-SF
Love-PF
Duncan-C

Dirk- 6th man

And I'll beat ANY TEAM you can assemble in a seven game series.

5/2/2012 12:38:52 AM

Lebron
Durant
Howard
Franklin
Bash

5/2/2012 12:49:33 AM

5/2/2012 12:52:57 AM

On second thought, I would replace Love with Nash and change around the positions a bit.

That's my team.

5/2/2012 12:53:35 AM

if Nene was 1/10 the player Pierce was, he'd have 7 MVP awards already

5/2/2012 12:54:59 AM

Quote :

"since the bobcats as a team only won 7 games, wp48 is gonna be terrible for every player on the team, even decent players like bismack, henderson and augustin, rendering that a completely useless stat for anyone who follows sports, case closed"

Nothing you said here makes any sense.

WP/48 is based on individual contributions and is not based at all on your team.


The team was terrible because the individual players were terrible, not the other way around.

[Edited on May 2, 2012 at 12:58 AM. Reason : a]

5/2/2012 12:56:22 AM

exactly

which is why the vast differences in WP versus actual wins for some teams is a red flag that the stat is garbage for predicting future success

5/2/2012 12:57:49 AM

The case is closed. It's right there in the quote.

5/2/2012 12:57:52 AM

Salivating over a potential Lakers-OKC matchup.

The Lakers look weak but yet the average Joe still doesn't think it.

OKC has a barely passable frontcourt and you still have to worry about Westbrook and now apparently Durant is folding under pressure.

But the Lakers look weak and OKC is just ridiculously good and I bet OKC is only like -200 because of all the gay for Kobe fanboys out there.

5/2/2012 1:07:10 AM

and Kobe seals yet another game, which is why he's 3rd on the alltime NBA playoff win list

haters will still hate the guy, but even haters cant deny he's top-10 all time

5/2/2012 1:10:23 AM

crazy seeing two people argue for a page by refuiting crazy shit with even crazier shit and using absurd reasoning to back up their arguments.

A 6 man is the best player in the league? Then why doesn't he start? Are all the coaches and GMs just idiots?

Westbrook
Kobe
Durant
Dirk
Duncan

none of those guys are top 100 players?

Imagine if teams went into games planning to shutdown Harden and didn't worry about Durant or Westbrook. No team does that. Harden is the 3rd option and he is the 3rd priority for the opposing team to stop. This is why he gets to go against easier defender or tired defenders that westbrook and durant have worn down.

He catches the ball open and gets closed out on out of position or gets the ball against a the other team's worst defender and isos. Harden is a good player. Starting quality and will probably be a star in a few years but right now he's the 3rd best player on his team, not in the NBA.

Quote :

" Yet if they benched dirk for brandan wright they'd be better."

its quotes like this that make me think face is just some sort of parody user mocking the nba

Quote :

" Yet if they benched dirk for brandan wright they'd be better."

face

Quote :

" Yet if they benched dirk for brandan wright they'd be better."

face

Quote :

" Yet if they benched dirk for brandan wright they'd be better."

face

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" Yet if they benched dirk for brandan wright they'd be better."

face


[Edited on May 2, 2012 at 1:59 AM. Reason : whaaat]

5/2/2012 1:58:13 AM

i think we can all agree its kinda crazy this is only the 2nd year Popovich has won coach of the year

5/2/2012 2:01:07 AM

^ will completely agree with that

^^ and i agree that these new-fangled sabertooth tiger metrics don't tell the whole story, for many of the reasons you list. it's hard to quantify quality of defender someone's facing, opposing team's defensive strategy, quality of offensive player one is defending (and thus spending a ton of energy on defense), etc to truly tease out who's better than whom. now, i think it's definitely useful for making some specific comparisons of comparable players (such as biyambo and faried), and provides more insight into a player's true value than we've had in the past, but still needs to be calibrated to an extent.

5/2/2012 8:52:27 AM

There is no way in hell I want Stoudamire on my team, especially a best of the best team like you statfuckers are talking about.

5/2/2012 9:14:14 AM

No one who pays any attention to advanced metrics wants Stoudamire, trust me.


^^^^ Dirk submarined the Mavericks in Game 1. If you can't understand that, then there's no point in debating with you. If he hadn't turned the ball over 6 times (and twice in the last 1:30) the Mavs win that game. Oh yeah and no one wants a freaking PF who can't rebound.

[Edited on May 2, 2012 at 11:56 AM. Reason : a]

5/2/2012 11:53:13 AM

can anyone pinpoint the part of the season when this thread jumped the shark?

5/2/2012 1:00:57 PM

Hate on Amare all you want, be he makes the league max, so he's definitley one of the top 5 players in the NBA.

Back on topic.

Looking forward to a dream matchup in the finals featuring my two favorite teams.

Kobe vs LBJ

5/2/2012 1:06:34 PM

I'm kind of worried about his hand laceration, cuz it sure does sound bad.

The hand is one of the worst places to get cut, because not only can you suffer severe bleeding, it is highly likely that you will cut a nerve and have permanent damage and mobility problems. I would not be shocked at all if his hurt hand doesn't get back to his full mobility.

[Edited on May 2, 2012 at 1:25 PM. Reason : vv yes thanks]

5/2/2012 1:25:09 PM

Quote :

"Hate on Amare all you want, be he makes the league max, so he's definitley one of the top 5 players in the NBA."

trolling??

Quote :

"The hand is one of the worst places to get cut, because not only can you suffer severe bleeding, it is highly likely that you will cut a nerve and have permanent damage and mobility problems. I would not be shocked at all if his hurt hand doesn't get back to his full mobility."

Had a friend shove a broken wine bottle through his hand, severing tons of nerves. Was fucking gross.

He fully recovered, but it did take him a little while.

[Edited on May 2, 2012 at 1:28 PM. Reason : .]

5/2/2012 1:26:43 PM

At least 75% of this thread is a troll.

5/2/2012 1:28:20 PM

^ Not me

5/2/2012 1:29:24 PM

Never in a million years thought Danny Green would be a key rotation guy on a title contender, especially not this soon. Dude's a legit player.

5/2/2012 8:06:37 PM

^ I pegged Danny Green out of college. Always thought he had a little Shawn Marion to his game. Probably a post here if i looked hard for it.

WTF just happened to utah they were down 4?!

5/2/2012 8:10:54 PM

I'm making it a point not to watch one second of this Indy/Magic series. Its just such a fecal exhibition of basketball whose only purpose is to serve up fodder for Miami's inevitable second round slaughter. Indy is like Atlanta in that they have a bunch of good player, but no one who can really take over. But hey, at least they not paying Danny Granger nine figures.

5/2/2012 8:13:20 PM

Quote :

"^^^^ Dirk submarined the Mavericks in Game 1. If you can't understand that, then there's no point in debating with you. If he hadn't turned the ball over 6 times (and twice in the last 1:30) the Mavs win that game. Oh yeah and no one wants a freaking PF who can't rebound."

This is just blasphemy. Did you not watch last year's playoffs? The game is not played in a vacuum dude. If it wasn't for Dirk, they wouldn't have even been in game 1. You can't just say his 6 turnovers cost them the game because if he didn't have them and if he got a bunch of rebounds he would be the best player ever. Kind of like how Westbrook would be the best player ever if he took only good shots and got a bunch of assists. You are critical on the weaknesses of these players and overlook their unique strengths. Dirk gives everybody hell and theres no way dallas would be a playoff team without him.

5/2/2012 8:14:14 PM

^ you're legitimately nuts.

5/2/2012 8:23:01 PM

Jesus Jazz, at least make it interesting. I think San Antonio is on a mission this year after getting upset in the first round. Fully expect to meet OKC in the WCFs and give them one hell of a fight.

5/2/2012 8:24:52 PM

You can't look at how a player performs and then form an opinion based off his performance!

What are you going to hit me with next, you can't triple stamp a double stamp?

5/2/2012 8:27:30 PM

GUYS! GUYS!

Can't we just listen to radio or something?

5/2/2012 8:29:58 PM

You didn't judge him. You said he lost them the game with turnoveers and literally claimed if they somehow benched dirk and put Brandon Wright in the same position, they would have won the game as if wright would have filled dirks shoes and not made the turnovers.

[Edited on May 2, 2012 at 8:32 PM. Reason : you are one of those monday morning qb types that says backup qb wouldve won after ints lose game]

5/2/2012 8:31:37 PM

How hard is it to figure out that Tyson Chandler was the reason the Mavs won the title last year.

You take him off the team this year and the Mavs barely go .500

How many times in a row do these things have to happen before people are able to identify that this isn't random?


^ No, Brandan Wright has been a stud all year and Dirk has been washed up all season. So I'd suggest they do something crazy, like play their better players

[Edited on May 2, 2012 at 8:35 PM. Reason : a]

5/2/2012 8:34:59 PM

^it could have been caron butler

5/2/2012 8:42:07 PM

^ Except he was out for the playoffs.

5/2/2012 8:42:58 PM

how come Tyson Chandler is struggling so much this series against the Heat, after all, he single-handedly beat the Heat last year and was the sole reason Dallas won it all

5/2/2012 8:53:50 PM

^^but he played in the regular season

5/2/2012 8:54:53 PM

^^ Because he tried to play with the flu??



Grizz are huge favorites tonight, what am I missing? Jordan, Paul, and Griffin all had bad games in game 1 and the Clippers still won. Plus losing Caron helps the Clippers. Hopefully, the Clippers know to give Reggie Evans a lot of minutes tonight, he's a big key to this series.

I realize Randolph was terrible and Gay/Mayo were bad and Gasol didn't really do anything special. But Conley was amazing, he will come back down some. I don't expect the Grizz to play a whole lot differently than that for the series, but I'd be surprised if the Clippers are that bad.


[Edited on May 2, 2012 at 9:12 PM. Reason : a]

5/2/2012 9:06:05 PM

the elite centers don't let that stop them...the Russells, the Wilts, the Olajuwons, the Mutombos, the Chandlers...these guys defy a little germy virus and play at the top of their game

5/2/2012 9:10:26 PM

Quote :

"Orlando without Howard is probably the worst playoff roster of our lifetimes..."

Where you at on this one now tree

5/2/2012 9:33:11 PM

Spurs are probably the least cocky team in the NBA. They destroyed the Jazz, but you would hardly know that from the way Pop talked about the game.

5/2/2012 10:00:24 PM

The Clippers are starting Bobby Simmons?!?!?!

Ugh, why in the world did they waste all that cap space on Butler. He is probably going to prevent them from forming a title contender over the next 3 years.

5/2/2012 10:00:25 PM

^^^i mean they're not a good team, but theres no way for either of us to prove or disprove your claim

5/2/2012 10:14:34 PM

When you lose by 23 at home to the Indiana Pacers you are a horrible playoff team.


Not sure what Vinny Del Negro is trying to prove. He has three of the best rebounders in basketball in Griffin, Jordan, and Evans and yet he just played a bunch of scrubs who can't rebound. 11 rebounds in the first half??!? Am I reading this correctly?

Stop playing Williams, Young, and Simmons so much and put some real basketball players out there.

5/2/2012 10:55:48 PM

how is the 2000-2001 Heat not worse than this year's Magic team?

5/2/2012 10:56:50 PM

not a bad response. They played terribly in that series but that team didn't suck they went 50-32. Without Dwight the Magic are like a 25-30 win team (82 game sched)

Mourning, Eddie Jones, Anthony Mason, Brian Grant, Bruce Bowen, etc

5/2/2012 11:10:05 PM

Deandre Jordan with a top 10 nominee

5/2/2012 11:14:06 PM

just not right that paul won't win an mvp in his career

5/2/2012 11:18:31 PM

Oh NOW Vinny is okay putting kenyon at the 3.

It only took 18 minutes of Bobby simmons not doing anything right to figure that out



Chris Paul on the bench during the final stretch so that Mo Williams gets his burn!!!

[Edited on May 2, 2012 at 11:54 PM. Reason : a]

5/2/2012 11:50:44 PM