I'm not wrong about stiemsma, the guy is just that good. Don't forget he put up those numbers last year while playing with plantar fascitis.

You're a baseball guy nym so I expect you to be pretty familiar with statistics. There has never been any evidence that a persons per minute numbers won't stay consistent when you go from 15 minutes to 40. In fact, per 48 min numbers are remarkably consistent in the nba as long as the guy is getting 5-10 mins per game.

7/12/2012 12:11:07 PM

Stiemsma could never play 40 minutes a game, he would foul out by halftime

7/12/2012 12:25:40 PM

[Edited on July 12, 2012 at 12:26 PM. Reason : damn mobile device]

7/12/2012 12:25:40 PM

well he also would not leapfrog Pekovic in the depth chart so i think its safe to say he will be getting 20-30 min max this season

7/12/2012 12:39:07 PM

Sources: Magic accidentally deal Dwight Howard to themselves in 26-team trade

7/12/2012 7:59:17 PM

Houston is crazy for Howard now. Just like what they did for Yao ten years ago.

[Edited on July 13, 2012 at 1:34 PM. Reason : add another note]

7/13/2012 1:34:29 PM

I just put $200 on lakers at 8:1 to win title and 3.5:1 to win west.


Sounds like dwight to lakers is a done deal. Even if it falls through I like the odds, but I don't think it will

7/14/2012 11:44:13 AM

Isn't Howard heading to Rockets?

[Edited on July 14, 2012 at 1:55 PM. Reason : make it clear]

7/14/2012 1:50:05 PM

Really doubt it. Why would he choose Houston over la if he wants to win and get the most exposure??

7/14/2012 2:43:14 PM

Yes, he can learn from Yao's career.

7/14/2012 2:52:27 PM

I can't imagine what that might mean

7/14/2012 3:08:31 PM

I mean he should learn from Yao's career. Houston signed Yao as the decedent of Olajuwon, but Yao didn't achieve the same height.

7/14/2012 3:33:18 PM

shoot, go the fuck away already, you're an idiot with horrible opinions and even worse grammar.

7/14/2012 8:54:34 PM

racist

7/14/2012 10:23:54 PM

^^
^ I'm already getting used to it.

[Edited on July 15, 2012 at 12:01 AM. Reason : add another note]

7/15/2012 12:00:43 AM

Not matching for Lin so you can sign Felton is the most bizarre move ever. Not only is Lin significantly better, but he's worth an estimated $1 billion in revenue. What the hell are the knicks doing. They could've been contenders with Lin.

7/15/2012 4:04:19 PM

Jason KidDwi

7/15/2012 5:56:08 PM

Jason Kidd apparently hit a telephone pole late last night

Start spreading the news

[Edited on July 15, 2012 at 5:56 PM. Reason : ^fucker]

7/15/2012 5:56:17 PM

Too old to be getting dwis

7/15/2012 6:15:04 PM

I really don't see what all the fuss over the knicks not keeping lin is about.

He's a turnover prone guard who is going to be overpaid.

7/15/2012 8:13:10 PM

Nobody will touch the heat for sure now that they have shooters. even in a possible lakers finals the heat would play a big lineup to exploit nash

7/15/2012 8:27:07 PM

Disagree with both of the last two posts.

Lin was playing at a very high level before he got hurt. Not to mention this was his first playing time ever and he's young so he may still improve. He's not overpaid relative to what other guys at PG make who produce similarly, he's actually underpaid if he plays at the same level. He's barely making more than Ramon Sessions and hes making half as much as Russell Westbrook.

Second of all it shouldn't even be a basketball decision. Lin is worth HUGE money because of his marketability and revenues he could earn abroad. That money can be used to buy other talent. The knicks have now lost Lin and Fields in the same offseason, that's going to be tough to recover from.

Disagree that Miami can just run through the lakers. Miami was looking OLD this year. With another year of wear and tear on dwayne wade who knows how he will play. Can't count on bosh to find his game again after two straight seasons in decline. Battier had a tough year too sans the finals. Rashard has been awful for a few years and had a spectacular stink fest in the playoffs even when he was still good.

It's going to be tough for Lebron to overcome all of that, particularly since Boston may be stronger next year and Chicago obviously will. Just don't see how they matchup with LA. La will benefit a ton from getting the ball out of kobes hands the whole game.

7/15/2012 9:06:42 PM

Lin was like a MVP for Knicks before he hurt.

7/15/2012 11:06:19 PM

Lin was a nice player who put up good point and assist numbers and saw the floor well, but he also probably averaged 7 turnovers a game

not worth 15mil a year

7/15/2012 11:32:13 PM

They may see Lin as Yao's decedent. He's the only Chinese player in NBA, since Yi is fading away.

7/15/2012 11:44:14 PM

I'm sure only a few of you on here know about this, but Lin is worth insanely more off of the court than he is on
the court for the Knicks

just check out the MSG stock price before and after

Dolan is probably the worst owner out of all of the big four sports

7/15/2012 11:45:48 PM

^ I've posted that twice already he's worth an estimated $1 billion in revenues.

$8 million a year for a good starting point guard is a steal, I can't believe he didn't get a max deal honestly. $10m per is prob about fair value for him based on his ability, so add in his profitability I can't believe someone didn't max him. Esp a team like the bobcats who need the money. What the hell were they thinking?

7/16/2012 12:32:28 AM

well the Bobcats did supposedly draft their PG of the future in the first round last year, though so far it doesn't look like he'll pan out

Lin selling jerseys to people in China might make MJ some money, which he'll subsequently gamble away, but its not gonna help him sign any good players to surround him, this isn't baseball

besides, if the Bobcats signed Lin to way more than he's worth based on starting only 25 games in his NBA career, who is he gonna pass it to? (or try to pass it to when he turns the ball over 6.4 times per 48 minutes)

7/16/2012 1:50:14 AM

I'm sure there are some concerns with his durability and if he couldve kept up his great play all year but you certainly cant question his production. Those 25 starts have to rank as some of the best ever for anyones first 25 starts in the league.

The knicks have spent hundreds of millions of dollars on guys no one has wanted like Francis, curry, amare, al harrington, etc and then they get the goose who lays the golden egg and they can't come up with $8 million??? Bizarre to say the least. Why not just amnesty Amare?? Then they could resign Novak, Fields, and Lin and be a top team instead of blowing the whole thing up like this...

7/16/2012 8:08:27 AM

So both Lin and DH are going to rockets? Another Yao+T-mac?

7/16/2012 9:25:03 AM

I think its absolutely hilarious for Carmelo to be calling someone else's contract 'ridiculous'

7/16/2012 9:42:43 AM

Also

Quote :

""I'm a free agent so maybe those bloggers and those people who write won't have to see me again," Felton told Mark Haggard of CarolinaLive.com. "Maybe they won't, until I'm coming in on the other end and droppin' 50 on 'em. We'll see what happens. Who knows.""

Quote :

"droppin' 50 on 'em"

Quote :

"droppin' 50 on 'em"

Who does he think he is, Tony Delk?

7/16/2012 10:34:52 AM

Moving to Rockets may be a good choice for Lin. Knicks' players can't get along with each other very well. I don't like the combination of melo and amair. Both are too selfish.

7/16/2012 10:37:46 AM

I don't know where face is getting his numbers.

Quote :

"$8 million a year for a good starting point guard is a steal, I can't believe he didn't get a max deal honestly. $10m per is prob about fair value for him based on his ability, so add in his profitability I can't believe someone didn't max him. Esp a team like the bobcats who need the money. What the hell were they thinking?"

lins deal would be 14 million in the 3rd year and with luxury tax this would cost the knicks 22 million. 22 million a year for a guy who might be forgotten by then.

7/16/2012 11:19:26 AM

yeah I heard its a "poison pill" contract with $5 mil in year one, $5.2 mil in year two and $15 mil in the final year

7/16/2012 11:35:07 AM

^ The Rockets did that intentionally knowing that it will fuck up the Knicks 3 years from now since they have so much invested in Amare, Carmelo, and Chandler. Good move by the Rockets IMO. The Knicks are a freaking train wreck.

7/16/2012 12:48:16 PM

Quote :

"22 million a year for a guy who might be forgotten by then."

lol, youre just making shit up now

(5+5+15)/3=~8 million

7/16/2012 1:19:49 PM

luxury tax is 1.75 on the dollar so yes i did estimate/make it up. 5+5+15+(luxury tax of 10x1.75=17.5 on the last 10 they would be paying 27.5 million for him in that 3rd year. not happening.

Obviously they would keep him if it were as simple as you guys think.

7/16/2012 1:50:29 PM

Nothing worse than uninformed people who feel the need to give their 2 cents

Quote :

"The Knicks are expected to be over the luxury-tax threshold for three straight years by 2014-15, and repeat taxpayers will be subject to the harshest of luxury-tax penalties. If all of Lin’s $14.9 million salary comes in over the threshold, the first $5 million will be taxed at a 2.5-to-1 ratio. The next $5 million will be taxed at a 2.75-to-1 ratio. The final $4.9 million is taxed a 3.5-to-1 ratio. The math shows the tax alone on Lin’s final year would be $43.4 million, meaning the entire bill that season could be $58.3 million. "

http://www.nypost.com/p/sports/knicks/knicks_balk_year_tax_bill_salary_8gqxzMNE1athYH35vyztZM?utm_medium=rss&utm_content=Knicks

[Edited on July 16, 2012 at 2:16 PM. Reason : x]

7/16/2012 2:15:13 PM

http://fivethirtyeight.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/07/16/keeping-lin-should-make-financial-sense-for-the-knicks/?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter

excellent piece by Nate Silver on the value of keeping Lin

7/16/2012 2:22:48 PM

Rockets sold Lin to Knicks and wants him back now. There's a behind-scene between these two teams.

7/16/2012 2:48:59 PM

just heard stephen a smith say 30 million live on espn. so at least mine was pretty close. i don't think you guys are factoring the part that they would be over the cap anyway and some of that tax is due to melo. also you probably are forgetting to subtract out what they would pay lin anyway. maybe i did it right and stephen a smith just rounded.

7/16/2012 4:21:49 PM

The Knicks need to match Lin's offer and do whatever it takes to unload Melo and/or Amare in order to avoid that luxury tax nightmare in 3 years. Lin's value off the court is simply too high to let him leave. Gotta give credit to Houston for trying to fuck over the Knicks with a back loaded offer to Lin.

7/16/2012 4:52:28 PM

Lin Martin and Howard is a pretty good core and then they could just give howard an open checkbook to bring in whoever else he wants.

7/16/2012 4:57:08 PM

Right. It worths expectation.

7/16/2012 5:15:22 PM

Goddamn can this place possibly get any dumber

7/16/2012 5:19:09 PM

I think that our Jeremy Lin can kill bushes because one time...

7/16/2012 5:26:10 PM

I doubt it's a trick of Houston.They already know lin's future before trading him.

7/16/2012 7:38:14 PM

hey guys i think you're missing a few key points here:

The knicks are idiots for screwing this one up, there's no debate to be had here.

1) They wouldn't be deep in luxury tax zone if they didn't you know acquire Jason Kidd and Raymond Felton in lieu of Jeremy Lin

2) 3 years, $25 million IS about $8 million per year. That's nothing for a good starting PG in the NBA. Particularly when he's a STAR off the court capable of making huge revenues for your organization. We all know Kobe isn't worth $25 million as a basketball PLAYER, but as a superstar I can't argue with the Lakers paying him huge because he generates revenue for the team. Those revenues allow the Lakers to go way over the salary cap and put a super team around Kobe.

3) WAAHHHHH the Rockets paid him $15 million in year 3 its a poison pill! Here's a fucking thought. Instead of waiting for the Rockets to dictate the terms of the contract, offer your own contract. Did anyone think of this? There's no rule that says you have to check to your opponents and let them dictate how much to bet. Just bet the fucking hand yourself.


4) Amnesty Amare. The guy is clearly washed up. How could you possibly justify bringing him back for three more years over a 24 year old global superstar? I mean did the Bulls let Michael Jordan get away just to keep Charles Oakley?


This is one of the ALL-TIME dumbest business decisions in sports. It's not even close. On top of that it's a bad basketball decision. Felton flopped hard last year. Kidd jesus christ was the Rookie of the Year in 1994. That's the same year the movie Rookie of the Year came out I think. In 1994 people were talking about things people in this generation have never even heard of like HIV, men's tennis, Rwandan genocide, and Selena.


Go ahead, I'm waiting to hear ANYONE try to justify signing Jason Kidd and Raymond Felton over an international icon PG.

7/16/2012 9:17:48 PM

Lin is a US citizen, minority though.
My friend compares Lin's move to Rockets as Nash's back to Sun.

7/16/2012 9:20:16 PM