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"I would love it if you guys would all stop with the "philosophy" shit"

No.

[Edited on July 18, 2013 at 2:34 PM. Reason : !]

7/18/2013 2:31:54 PM

The United philosophy is a myth, just like the Patriots Way, or the Carolina Way...

7/18/2013 5:31:03 PM

"A healthy Wilshere is like a big signing"

"Sanogo reminds me of Thierry Henry"

"Giroud will start converting more of his chances now that he's settled"

Etc, etc... as time winds down and the profit not spent grows bigger

[Edited on July 19, 2013 at 8:12 AM. Reason : Also, right now, today, Spurs is better and would be the favorite for 4th]

7/19/2013 8:02:41 AM

Quote :

"Cesc Fabregas has told friends he will only return to the Premier League with Arsenal, even after Manchester United have bid for him, the Daily Mirror reported. Fabregas’s first priority is to stay at Barcelona, but his attitude will change if the club accepts United’s bid, the Mirror said. The Premier League champion has made a 26 million pound ($40 million) offer and knows it must go higher, the newspaper said. United’s Executive Vice Chairman Ed Woodward left the club’s pre-season tour in Australia to return to Europe to try and complete the deal, the Mirror said. Arsenal has a buy-back option from when it sold Fabregas to Barcelona in 2011. Gunners manager Arsene Wenger has remained close to his former captain and the two have been in regular contact, the Mirror said. "

7/20/2013 11:00:44 AM

Quote :

"[...]ex-club Arsenal get first refusal at the player, so they automatically get the first chance to sign the midfield-man, but it is reported in Spain that Fabregas himself would prefer a move to Old Trafford. A Spanish source said: “Cesc would only go if Barcelona agreed to sell him. “The Barca midfield is already looking very crowded for next season and you wonder how many games Cesc will start. “He wants to play in the World Cup next summer and needs to be playing regularly. “Arsenal have first refusal on him but he’d prefer a switch to United.”"

unless it comes from fabregas's mouth that he wants to move and wants to move to arsenal, does it really matter what the rags are reporting?

7/20/2013 12:48:56 PM

lololol cesc back to arsenal


I love you delusional arse fans. Wenger can't stop wringing his hands long enough to close a deal even when he's got the money. United put down 30 million plus for Fab and there's no way he'd ever match that, history or no. fuckin hilarious.

7/20/2013 6:55:42 PM

To be fair, I did say that last page.

He is going to stay at Barcelona now though, with a new manager coming in.

7/21/2013 6:55:54 AM

Hearing Arsenal are close on Bernard which would be a fantastic signing. 19 year old who has already broken into the Brazil national team and impressed. Tiny kid though..

Naturally since they "are close" I expect the Henry's to introduce him at Anfield next week.

7/22/2013 10:40:12 AM

Quick Liverpool points:
> Mignolet over Reina is an improvement (ignoring distribution, but I'll still take SM)
> Slightly disappointed we couldnt sell Reina
> Really excited for a full year of Coutinho (believe that 10 goals and 15 assists is realistic)

Unrelated, I'm tired of Spurs being on the cusp, they really need to sign a real striker so they can contend without surviving on bursts of form

7/22/2013 8:14:10 PM

I see elduderino still can't stop prematurely ejaculating his bullshit all over the football forums.

7/22/2013 9:59:28 PM

umad?

7/22/2013 11:35:30 PM

Wazza do you refer to cookies as biscuits and spell color with a u?

[Edited on July 22, 2013 at 11:52 PM. Reason : Or maybe you are actually British? ]

7/22/2013 11:48:59 PM

What are the philosophical differences between Moyes' and SAF's?

7/23/2013 12:13:41 AM

DAVID MOYES interview: I used to just want to get out of Old Trafford alive... but this is my team now, I'm in charge

By Ian Ladyman

PUBLISHED: 17:00 EST, 22 July 2013 | UPDATED: 17:00 EST, 22 July 2013

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He is less than a month into his tenure as Manchester United manager and already David Moyes is beginning to understand what it means to be in charge of the world’s most famous football club.

Having spent the last 13 days in Thailand, Australia and now Japan, Moyes has already found himself having to handle the ongoing issue surrounding Wayne Rooney while trying to land the first major transfer of his reign, Barcelona’s Cesc Fabregas.

Here, in his first detailed interview with daily newspapers, Moyes takes time out to talk about the pressures of succeeding Sir Alex Ferguson, dealing with the club’s superstars players and how badly he wants to bring United their first trophy of his era.


David, the start to your Barclays Premier League season is not easy. How are you feeling about that?

It could map out our whole season, which is why we are trying to get ourselves right for the opening games. We have to play some of the better teams at the early stages, so we have to make sure we are in good form, but the same applies to them.

Do you have butterflies in your stomach?

Yeah, that comes with the excitement of the job, but it’s more to do with the magnitude of Manchester United and following arguably the greatest manager that football has ever known. You can’t see any manager thinking that would be an easy job, but in the same breath it is a great one because of what I have available and what Sir Alex has left.
I'm in charge: David Moyes (centre) gives his squad a rollicking in Bangkok at the weekend

I'm in charge: David Moyes (centre) gives his squad a rollicking in Bangkok at the weekend

My team: Moyes talks to his Manchester United players

My team: Moyes talks to his Manchester United players
At ease: David Moyes looks happy and relaxed in Tokyo and (below) tells his new Manchester United players what he expects of them

At ease: David Moyes looks happy and relaxed in Tokyo and (below) tells his new Manchester United players what he expects of them

David Moyes adresses his squad

David Moyes adresses his squad
Maybe if I'm at United for 26 years, we'll end up having 'Moyesy time'

How long before it is ‘your’ team? Is it automatic or does it take six months or maybe a season?

It is my team now. I have taken over, I’m in charge. As I have said, I will use the ex-manager as much as I can because of his knowledge, but it is my team now and I have to take responsibility for that.

Sir Alex said to the supporters after his last home game that it was important to get behind the new manager. How important was that?

I have got to say it showed unbelievable class. Change can be difficult for people but importantly he gave me the confidence and hopefully from that the supporters will give me the opportunity to get started. It was good for the players, too.

Will it be a defining moment when people stop asking you about Sir Alex? Will that be a sign you’ve moved on?

Yes, in a way. I don’t want to mention Sir Alex in every conversation I have but in the same breath I would hate to think in any way that I was disrespecting someone of his level. But I will always respect him, as will Manchester United.
Making his point: David Moyes is settling in as manager of Manchester United

Making his point: David Moyes is settling in as manager of Manchester United

Running the show: But can you spot Moyes among the players and staff

Running the show: But can you spot Moyes among the players and staff

There has to come a time when Manchester United is primarily associated with David Moyes, though, doesn’t there?

Yes, it has to be a new era. Whatever we say, my job now is to make my history. I’m going to follow someone who has made incredible history. I think about Matt Busby’s history and then Alex Ferguson’s history - they could do a film about it. I have to make sure now that my history and my time is something which the fans and people in the future talk about.

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2373467/David-Moyes-interview-On-pressure-succeeding-Sir-Alex-Ferguson-Moyesy-time-shouting-Manchester-United-players-Old-Trafford-fear-factor.html#ixzz2Zq4uDv8l
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7/23/2013 12:17:37 AM

So it’s about toeing that line between being respectful and saying this is my time?

Yes it is. It is difficult but I think Sir Alex knows that we’re here to follow good managers. But the one thing about it is he left me with the best team in England and essentially said: ‘Go on, take it on, build on it and try and make it better’.

Does it make the job easier in sense that there have been major changes at rivals too?

They’re new managers coming into new clubs so things can change. I think the Premier League is going to be a little bit more unpredictable than it’s been in the past. I just hope the predictability about it is that Manchester United are beating everybody you expect them to beat.

How does it feel for you now that everyone wants to beat Manchester United?

It’s going to be new to me and something I’m going to have to come to terms with. But I feel comfortable in my position, I feel as if I can be in the job. I’m not saying it’s all going to be right because I don’t think (there) is any manager who always gets it right. But I do feel that I’m in a position I think I can deal with.
A new era: David Moyes gives instruction to star striker Robin van Persie

A new era: David Moyes gives instruction to star striker Robin van Persie
It'll be no different at Manchester United to how it was at Preston

Do you have to change your mind-set to address these kind of players? Players like Ryan Giggs etc...

A little bit because I’m looking at players who have been in an incredibly successful team over the years. I’ve got to make sure I learn from them. I don’t know it all.

Do you sense that they are judging you?

I think every footballer who I’ve worked with judged the manager. They want to see if he can earn his stripes, they want to see if they can coach, if they can make decisions.

Do you actually manage more or less than you used to?

Maybe a little bit less in many ways. I don’t need to shout as much any more, I’m not quite as intense as I was. But I actually think it’s because the level of player, the level of the standard, steps up and I’m feeling that here as well. There’s been a couple of things I’ve had to say here so far to correct things and the response is, like: ‘Yeah, OK, we’re on with that, we’ve got it done.’ That’s great.

You were 34 and were still playing at centre half when you took over at Preston 16 years ago. Was that as big a challenge as this in some ways?

I’ve got to say I didn’t win many games at the start when I took over at Preston. But when I got the job I just worked and I tried to prepare the teams and it’s the winning which gets you a chance to be involved in the next game. Then win another game and that maybe gets you another month and if you keep going you might actually get a chance of being around the top. So it’ll be no different at Manchester United.
Man in charge: Moyes put his player through their paces in Japan

Man in charge: Moyes put his player through their paces in Japan

Why have you recruited Ryan and Phil Neville?

You know that I did want to keep Rene Meulensteen and I wanted Paul Scholes. Paul Scholes, in time when he’s ready to come back, there will be a position for. I wanted to have something which was really involved with Manchester United.

But I also needed it to be David Moyes’s era now so that meant me taking some of my own people. I couldn’t do it without the help of Ryan Giggs while Phil Neville had known a little bit at both clubs. But more importantly he probably knew how I worked at Everton. Phil and Ryan are young so it’s really important in this job that you also keep young open-minded thoughts around you because you don’t want to get too old in your ways.

You have a reputation for driving players hard in training and placing an emphasis on physical fitness. Will that be the same here?

I think I’m going to drive, and I’m going to demand, the best out of players. I’m going to demand that they give me more, or as much as I can get from them.

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7/23/2013 12:19:01 AM

You have been doing double sessions out here. That’s more than they are used to.

Yeah but I think if you asked them I think they would all say that’s good. They’ve enjoyed it. It’s nothing that I can’t do and that’s the way I judge it really. It’s nothing I couldn’t do.
Listen to me: Danny Welbeck is given guidance by his new manager

Listen to me: Danny Welbeck is given guidance by his new manager
If we win the Community Shield, that'll be one of Sir Alex's trophies

Do you sense that the players have been invigorated by your arrival?

I think sometimes when there is a change - and I heard some of the players saying it - you have to impress the new manager. You’ve got a chance...I have got to say I have been incredibly impressed about how the players have gone about their work, I really have.

There’s not been a day when I’ve had people ‘throwing out’ [slacking off]. I think, if anything, they’re enjoying it and they’re asking for more in a way. And to go back to an earlier question, they could be testing me, to see if I’ve got the materials to do the job, because that’s what top footballers do.

Pictures emerged of you rollicking the players in training in Thailand. What was that about?

I just wanted them to make sure they kept doing things right and there were a couple of things I wanted them to make sure they were on top of.

Does it matter to you when you win your first trophy? Does it matter which one it is?

It matters because it’s important I do that and get it put to bed. And it does matter what trophy it is because, if I’d won the Singha Cup in Bangkok it would have been very good, but you know it wouldn’t have counted.

Do you count the Community Shield, like some managers do?

I would have thought that’s a trophy that, if Manchester United went on to win, that would be one of Sir Alex Ferguson’s, because he got the team there. I’m actually hoping to look at the other trophies, that’s my target.
A new generation: Moyes is excited to be taking over from Sir Alex Ferguson

A new generation: Moyes is excited to be taking over from Sir Alex Ferguson
Fergie's time is over: Sir Alex Ferguson waves goodbye at the end of his 26 years at Manchester United

Fergie's time is over: Sir Alex Ferguson waves goodbye at the end of his 26 years at Manchester United

Describe what it was like to bring a team to Old Trafford to play? And how you would like it to be for other managers to bring teams to play you there now...

You came to somewhere that was always full and you knew you were playing, certainly the biggest club in England and arguably the biggest club in the world. So from that point of view you knew that it was also a daunting challenge. Anybody who went there it was like: ‘Oh no, we’re going to Manchester United’.

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7/23/2013 12:20:35 AM

What were the last 10 minutes there like as an opposing boss? You want that to continue under you?

I want it to continue that way. I remember going there as a manager. You want to get out of Old Trafford alive, that used to be our saying, you know.

You clearly need that fear factor to continue...

We do. I think the players do that, the crowd, the stadium.

We have had ‘Fergie time’ at the end of games for years. Will we get ‘Moyesy time’ now?

Maybe if I’m at Manchester United for 26 years I’ll be able to control it as much as Sir Alex! But at the moment I still see myself as one of the young coaches and young managers in the Premier League. I don’t see myself as one of the old ones. So I think I’ve got a few more years before I get that level of control.
New staff: Moyes (right), with goalkeeping coach Chris Woods (left), first-team coach Phil Neville (second left) and assistant manager Steve Round in Sydney

New staff: Moyes (right), with goalkeeping coach Chris Woods (left), first-team coach Phil Neville (second left) and assistant manager Steve Round in Sydney

Phil Neville
Ryan Giggs

Hired help: Phil Neville (left) and Ryan Giggs are both part of Moyes's coaching set-up
Being manager of Manchester United has to come with an element of fear

What’s the one thing someone said to you since taking the job, that’s stuck with you?

Someone said: 'You’ll do it easy'. But I’m not saying who it was. I don’t take that as a given, because I know it’s going to be really hard at Manchester United. I know that.

Do you want to carve your own dynasty as a Scottish Man United boss after Busby, Ferguson etc?

I’d really like that. I think there has been a succession of Scottish managers - Bill Shankly, Jock Stein, Sir Matt, George Graham - you could go on and on, I’ve probably missed a few out. There have been some really good Scottish managers at the highest level, so if I could in some way be tagged on to the end of that list, because I’d been successful at Manchester United, then I’d be delighted.

Is there extra pressure because of that great lineage of Scottish managers?

Not pressure but I think they’re actually saying: ‘We’re passing the baton on to you, it’s for you take the baton up and be successful’. I think that’s the way it’s been.

Despite the backing of Sir Alex, is there any element of fear of failure?

There’s not that, but I tell you, there’s not one person who would turn around and say: ‘Taking over Manchester United, you think you can walk in there and breeze in and think you can do it easily’. Of course not. There has to be an element of fear that comes with managing a club like Manchester United. It keeps you working, it keeps you focused and helps you try not to take your eye off the ball.
Star attraction: Moyes was upstaged in his press conference in Yokohama by Japan midfielder Shinji Kagawa

Star attraction: Moyes was upstaged in his press conference in Yokohama by Japan midfielder Shinji Kagawa

Have you looked back through the history of the club in detail?

I will need to get the history books on Manchester United because I wouldn’t be the first person to be able to turn around and tell you every cup final or every game we’ve been involved in or all the players. I couldn’t do that.

But I want to try to get myself as knowledgeable as I can. Looking at the history of the club, of what’s happened, the players, it’s incredible. So I’m really looking forward to getting myself up to speed with that. But hopefully 26 years might give me the chance to get up to speed.

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7/23/2013 12:21:46 AM

tl;dr The interviewer's name is Ian Ladyman

[Edited on July 23, 2013 at 12:23 AM. Reason : ..]

7/23/2013 12:22:54 AM

[Edited on July 23, 2013 at 12:37 AM. Reason : .]

7/23/2013 12:35:58 AM

Marca saying Bale forcing through an £85M move to Real.

Honestly, if he wants to go at that fee you can buy some pretty damn good pieces.

7/23/2013 7:43:27 AM

Another sharp preseason performance from United. Yokohama 3-2 ManU

7/23/2013 8:12:59 AM

3rd preseason game vs 17 games into domestic season

7/23/2013 8:18:04 AM

Both Manchesters not having the best of starts to the preseason.

7/23/2013 8:53:57 AM

Where's NyM410? Can we ban GingaNinja yet for spamming these threads with shit no one is ever going to read?

[] Yes
[] Absolutely

7/23/2013 1:19:19 PM

Arsenal....40 mil bid for Suarez.

7/23/2013 2:16:34 PM

Quote :

"preseason"

7/23/2013 2:47:39 PM

7/23/2013 5:03:13 PM

Preseason, end of. The only ones that care about preseason are Arsenal fans and their emirates cup. Moyes has said all the right things. He has been handed a tough start and I expect to lose some of those matches but with the extra training sessions, maybe the players will be a lot fitter to handle it as well.

This premier league season is going to be amazing, probably one of the best in a while. Don't think anyone will walk it like last year and it will probably be close between 3 to 4 teams.

7/23/2013 9:05:23 PM

Who's prepared to make the first official prediction for their team of choice? It's kind of tradition.

7/23/2013 10:19:23 PM

4th if Bale stays, 3rd if he leaves

Hence,

United - 3rd

1 - Chelsea
2 - City
3- United
4 - Arsenal



[Edited on July 23, 2013 at 10:42 PM. Reason : .]

7/23/2013 10:41:07 PM

1st Chelsea
2nd United
3rd Spuds if Bale stays

City Relegated

7/24/2013 6:55:00 AM

^lol


My prediction

1) ManU
2) City
3) Chelsea
4) Liverpool
5) Wenger's last season at Arsenal

[Edited on July 24, 2013 at 7:22 AM. Reason : Bale leaves....Spurs self destruct as always]

7/24/2013 7:21:49 AM

Useless in July. Based on rosters today my top six is City, United, Chelsea, Spurs, Liverpool, Arsenal in that order

7/24/2013 7:53:32 AM

I have a feeling City is going to dominate this year.

But I'll wait until closer to the season to make the rest of my predictions.

[Edited on July 24, 2013 at 8:08 AM. Reason : Higuain to Napoli]

7/24/2013 8:00:21 AM

Suarez seemed happy to be playing today

7/24/2013 8:27:44 AM

55 mil or GTFO

Quote :

"@John_W_Henry What do you think they're smoking over there at Emirates?"

[Edited on July 24, 2013 at 8:52 AM. Reason : LOL at Henry]

7/24/2013 8:49:07 AM

says the guy that bought Andy Carrol for 35m

7/24/2013 8:59:35 AM

I have decided I will throw my fandom behind Norwich City for the upcoming campaign. I'll say 14th on the prediction, 5 or 6 points clear of relegation.

7/24/2013 9:23:47 AM

Quote :

"says the guy that bought Andy Carrol for 35m"

true, although hard to blame somebody that had no knowledge of soccer at the time for leaning on people like Dalglish for advice in the transfer market.

7/24/2013 9:34:27 AM

Quote :

"I have a feeling City is going to dominate this year. But I'll wait until closer to the season to make the rest of my predictions."

I doubt City will dominate. If anyone can dominate it will be Chelsea. City has just as much unpredictability as United. Sure they have bought a lot of players but that takes a while to translate to on field success, as city of all teams should know very well.

7/24/2013 11:13:59 AM

You're right. Their new players could completely flop. I personally think they've cleared out the players that were hurting chemistry and added players that complement the rest of the players and the new coach very well.

There's something about Chelsea that I can't explain but I just don't see them as the favorite.

7/24/2013 11:22:09 AM

Yeah, probably a few weeks early for official predictions now that you mention it.

I begrudgingly think MAN U will struggle to stay top 3 based on their roster as of today. Losing SAF was the equivalent of losing two superstar players. They haven't added enough to compensate.

7/24/2013 11:26:10 AM

Quote :

"There's something about Chelsea that I can't explain"

they're all a bunch of cunts

7/24/2013 1:01:36 PM

naah its mourinho and his games

7/24/2013 8:04:53 PM

It was a joke that Arsenal/Spurs were close to Chelsea last year given the respective squad talent... but whatever. Mourinho will get the most out of them.

[Edited on July 24, 2013 at 8:27 PM. Reason : also this suarez to arsenal thing really might happen... wtf]

7/24/2013 8:27:22 PM

Suarez the Arsenal would be the best thing to ever happen. Nothing like moving a hotheaded moron like Suarez to one of the highest profile teams in the league, with a manager who enjoys control, and an English media that is out for blood to get the best out of a player.

He'll miss those 7-8 games or whatever it is. 22 goals, 13 assists, 4 red cards, methinks.

Please, please, please put all your eggs in that basket.

7/25/2013 12:37:02 AM

If they want to pay Liverpool's asking price, I say do it. It'd be a lot easier for me in here not having to defend him anymore.

7/25/2013 8:11:17 AM

Robin van Persie had so many disciplinary and attitude problems when he forced his way out of Feyenoord that many bigger clubs had zero interest in him. I think if anyone can get Suarez's head on straight it's Wenger.






(yes, this is me trying to come to terms with the fact that this might actually happen and that if it doesn't happen we aren't bringing in any noteworthy strikers)

7/25/2013 9:54:34 AM

I don't think it's outrageous to assert that Suarez probably has poorer discipline than any other player in the world, at least well known players.

7/25/2013 3:25:05 PM

So does Suarez even make Arsenal a title contender? Shouldn't 55 million do that?

I'm not saying he doesn't, just curious to hear from you Arsenal fans.

7/25/2013 3:43:50 PM