You lot aren't in the CL and still can't sign CL caliber players.

7/16/2014 12:46:10 PM

^
What does that even mean? A U Mad gif woulda been a good save...

7/16/2014 12:47:19 PM

van Gaal presentation, w english subs
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ac7Bk7fhbb4

7/16/2014 10:51:23 PM

Hey, it makes sense. LVG is settling in to the role. It just took him a week to figure out he was looking at Moyes wish list and not his own.

Arsene Wenger just realized this year he was actually looking at Bradford City's all these years.

7/17/2014 7:26:17 AM

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"You lot aren't in the CL and still can't sign CL caliber players."

Lol. aimorris is cracking up here.

Also just so you know how much draw Man United still has, Ander Herrera left a CL club to join United. United's period outside the top 4 isn't going to hurt us nearly as much as it hurt pool. United is still the biggest team in England and just like Bayern has the ability to sustain failures for a few a years.

7/17/2014 12:34:49 PM

Your favorite team has a lot of money and can overpay for players - both in the transfer fees and the wages. Congratulations.

7/17/2014 2:12:57 PM

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"Your favorite team has earned a lot of money and can overpay for pl both in the transfer fees and the wages. Congratulations. ayers -"

FTFY. no? I mean there's a different between what United and City are doing.

[Edited on July 17, 2014 at 2:24 PM. Reason : ]

7/17/2014 2:23:44 PM

lol who cares. Just don't go on about some kind of magical "draw" Manchester United has vs. other clubs. It's all fucking money, at any and every club.


anyway, how many points will Chelsea win the league by this year? 10?

7/17/2014 2:27:35 PM

ok

7/17/2014 2:48:39 PM

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"Your favorite team has a lot of money and can overpay for players - both in the transfer fees and the wages. Congratulations."

Because overpaying for Lalana and Markovic isn't the same? lol. Man United does have a bigger appeal, because simply said it has had the most success over the last 10 years. A player at United knows he will be A. Making good money. B. Playing at one of the best stadia not only in England but the world. C. Challenging for trophies (this still holds true, 1 bad season doesn't negate the culture at the club).

Liverpool had this draw as well at one point, it is the reason why they were so successful in the past. Man United would need another 2 seasons before its appeal starts waning. Adidas isn't just blindly handing United money, it is because the club has a global reach and appeal.

7/17/2014 3:29:13 PM

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" It's all fucking money, at any and every club. "

7/17/2014 3:30:23 PM

^ so how do you explain RVP then? Could have had more money with City, chose to come to United. Not always about money. Lambert with Liverpool is the same. I am sure he would have gone to Liverpool regardless.

7/17/2014 3:35:52 PM

You brought up United's "draw" to get players without CL and how being outside the top 4 won't hurt as much as it would Liverpool. RVP and Lambert do not apply in this scenario. I totally agree with you, it won't hurt them as much. But it's because the money is there with or without CL for United. For other clubs, it is not.

I'm not even mad about it. I would love for my team to blow through millions of dollars in transfer fees if they had it available. I don't give a shit about how high Lallana and Markovic's fees are. I'm just not deluded into thinking it's because they want to see the Kop sing YNWA pre-match or some other fantasy.

[Edited on July 17, 2014 at 3:47 PM. Reason : 30 MILLION POUNDS FOR A 19 YEAR OLD LEFT BACK]

7/17/2014 3:47:02 PM

RvP would've stayed at Arsenal if they had offered him the £ United did.

7/17/2014 4:02:16 PM

From what I remember United was the only one willing to go £30m for a near thirty year old striker who has an injury history... City never offered that much.

[Edited on July 17, 2014 at 6:15 PM. Reason : oh and the little boy in side that cuntstain was crying United United]

7/17/2014 6:14:26 PM

What world do we live in where Adam Lallana costs more than Toni Kroos?

7/17/2014 7:43:36 PM

one where Kroos had one year left on his contract and Lallana is English

7/17/2014 8:41:45 PM

When did I say united players came here because they want to hear the stretty sing We'll never die?

The fact is United still has a bigger appeal than city, arsenal, and Chelsea despite not being the CL. Yes United is going to have to pay slightly more inflated wages but United is still the biggest team in England in terms of reputation. £27 million for a 19 year old LB with incredible potential. It will pay for itself if its successful just like Rio and Rooney did. United can afford the risk.


Nym city met RVP's valuation and wanted to give him more money. RVP wanted to win things though and with Sir Alex it was a no contest. Now with Van Gaal it is again a club that is desirable for many players.

Also lol at Kroos being cheaper than lallana.

7/18/2014 1:23:30 AM

I get that City would pay him more in wages but they wouldn't pay Arsenal, the club that decided, what they valued him at. Maybe I'm wrong though.

And re: Kroos... One year left and only a half dozen teams that could afford him.

^ what proof is there that this year, without CL, they are a bigger draw than City, Chelsea, Arsenal or Liverpool. FFS you've bought an 18 yo for an absurd £30m and paid a release clause fee for a guy no other giant clubs were in for.

United is the biggest club in England. I'm not delusional. But no business they've done post-SAF screams out "much more desirable" than any other big English club.

[Edited on July 18, 2014 at 7:50 AM. Reason : X]

7/18/2014 7:46:39 AM

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"£27 million for a 19 year old LB with incredible potential. It will pay for itself if its successful just like Rio and Rooney did. United can afford the risk."

Thanks for agreeing then.

7/18/2014 7:57:06 AM

Last year was funny but I watched some of LVGs presser. Besides the obvious that his English is atrocious, he may be a Mourinho level narcissistic twat. I'm gonna be hating on him all year long no doubt.

7/18/2014 8:01:26 AM

Perfect Manc manager, in all honesty. Would have been weird to see him at Spurs.


Chicharito gone? MLS should make a Michael Bradley effort to get him. What would it take? £10 million?



[Edited on July 18, 2014 at 8:32 AM. Reason : chick]

7/18/2014 8:18:10 AM

He is probably gone but he hasn't had the same amount of time off as the Spanish and English players that didn't make the knockout rounds

[Edited on July 18, 2014 at 9:58 AM. Reason : ]

7/18/2014 9:57:45 AM

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"But no business they've done post-SAF screams out "much more desirable" than any other big English club."

Juan Mata? No one in England has done significant business this summer either besides Chelsea. United chose to buy Herrera over Fabregas and it makes a lot of sense. There were two midfielders United looked at, Van Gaal wasn't interested in Kroos and went with Herrera instead. Yes Kroos probably would have chosen Madrid regardless but we never bid for him.

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" he may be a Mourinho level narcissistic twat. I'm gonna be hating on him all year long no doubt."

Yes a narcissist who told Man United to donate his agent fees and match it for for developing youth football. A narcissist that his players loved so much that all the dutch players had only good words for him. A narcissist who put on the only player who didn't get a world cup match in his team. There is a difference between narcissism and confidence. The best managers have an abundance of confidence and they back it up on the pitch, just like Mourinho does. You don't think Arsene has an ego? lol.

You will be hating him all year long, because he is likely to undo the joke that was last year under good guy Moyes.

[Edited on July 18, 2014 at 11:01 AM. Reason : .]

7/18/2014 10:58:50 AM

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"Juan Mata?"

£37 million? Doubled his wages?

7/18/2014 11:03:18 AM

lol at wazza

7/18/2014 11:10:15 AM

^^ World Class player, deserved his wages. Overpriced but in an inflated market, everyone is overpriced. Its incredible Kroos went for the price he did. A rare exception these days. His wages were also not doubled.

Lets compare. Lallana at 25 or Mata at 37? Yea I would rather pay the extra 12 and get a world class player. Speaks for itself.

7/18/2014 11:18:15 AM

Oh this gem:

“It wasn't due to a lack of ambition by the club. It was about where the player and his family wanted to choose to live."

Oh Brendon, that's cute. Yes London was the only factor in Sanchez' decision, not the fact that Arsene Wenger is the best manager in England or anything.

7/18/2014 11:27:37 AM

"Manchester United draws players over other clubs because of their reputation, stadium, and chance to win trophies. It's not because we have more money.


Yes we overpay for players in a season where we don't have a chance to win a trophy and seasons we don't play in the Champions League. So what?


LALLANA LALLANA LALLANA LALLANA LALLANA"

7/18/2014 11:30:02 AM

Mata is a step below world class for me. At their bests he isn't Ozil/Fabregas/Kroos level.

Frankly Cazorla and Mata aren't THAT far apart aside from fee and wages. And Mourinho had his reasons for selling to United at the time as well.

[Edited on July 18, 2014 at 11:39 AM. Reason : wazza is our own little version of RAWK only for United]

7/18/2014 11:37:07 AM

^^ When did I say its not because of money? lol, the level of intelligence on here is baffling. I am saying money isn't the only factor which aimorris is alluding to. Compared to other clubs in England (who still have to fork up the money like United) United has a much higher appeal.

Let me put this in layman's term, United is the biggest club in England, the biggest clubs will always have the best players interested in playing for them. 1 season of mediocrity isn't going to change that for United, it takes consistent mediocrity. With Van Gaal it is almost a non issue that United finished outside of the top 4, players will still want to play for a top manager at a big club over someone who hasn't won anything. United would have been paying through the roof for mediocre players like the Fellaini deal if Moyes was still the manager. Luke Shaw could have had his pick, there are plenty of clubs willing to fork up the money but he chose to come here.

7/18/2014 12:44:41 PM

Plenty of clubs were interested in Shaw, with basically no one willing to pay that ridiculous sum outside of a desperate United.

LOL at Mata being world class. Talk about a loose use of that term...

7/18/2014 1:00:04 PM

^ Guess being a pivotal player in a CL campaign that saw them win and being voted player of the year twice by fans and once by the players isn't enough. Guess scoring 12 goals and 12 assists in 29 starts in the league for Chelsea is just decent.

Spurs fans wouldn't know world class even if it hit them with a ten foot pole.

Lets compare him to the great Silva

Mata
2011
G 6 A13 in 29 matches
2012
G 12 A12 in 31 matches
2013
G 6 A6 in 25 matches for Chelsea & United (new club, new players, shit attacking football and he still manages 6 goals and 4 assists)

Silva
2011
G 6 A 15 in 33 matches
2012
G 4 A 8 in 29 matches
2013
G 7 A 9 in 26 matches

17 goals and 32 assists for Silva in 3 years (88 matches)
24 goals and 31 assists for Mata in 3 years (85 matches)

[Edited on July 18, 2014 at 1:15 PM. Reason : .]

[Edited on July 18, 2014 at 1:17 PM. Reason : .]

7/18/2014 1:08:39 PM

Gareth Bale

7/18/2014 1:23:12 PM

Gareth Bale

2011
G 9 A 10 in 36 matches
G 21 A 4 in 34 matches


Yes Bale was clearly a better player after he adapted to his new role and is definitely the better player now but to say Mata isn't just below him is ridiculous. Mata is definitely in the upper echelons of players along with Silva, Cazorla, Ozil, and Modric. Look at the price these players have gone for and Juan Mata's transfer represents a fair value.

7/18/2014 1:27:30 PM

the only thing I've figured out from this page is wazza has no idea what world class actually means

7/18/2014 1:55:58 PM

Oh ribs, this thread would be a lot less hilarious without you. Oh hey BTW, has Ozil been dropped by Wenger yet? He is clearly not a great player or anything. I mean how does he keep getting games? What a mediocre player.

7/18/2014 5:37:09 PM

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"the only thing I've figured out from this page is wazza has no idea what world class actually means"

Just to put my oar in, I tend to agree with this, although I wouldn't put it so strongly. But you're using the term "World Class" way too loosely, wazza. For me "World Class" means that you'd make, like, at least the 4th-string World Team. Mata doesn'tcome close.

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" but to say Mata isn't just below him is ridiculous."

Bale is on another level from Juan Mata. That's why Real Madrid paid a world record fee for him, while Mata had trouble getting a start under Mourinho.

Don't get me wrong, Mata is a very, very good footballer. But he ain't world class, that's too strong.

7/18/2014 11:25:59 PM

Spurs at Seattle could be pretty interesting today. Espn2 at 4.

7/19/2014 9:27:25 AM

Anybody care to give an outlook for their team for the upcoming season?

Prediction as it stands now: 6th

Poch is a great hire and even though expectations might be a little lower this year 4th is still the target end. I think he'll give a lot of those younger players a chance to shine with that high pressing style. Lamela seems settled now too with an Argentinian manager which can only mean good things to come in my eyes. He's too talented to have two down seasons.

We'll see what happens, but there's some talent to work with here already. I like the look of the team long term.

7/20/2014 10:02:17 PM

(Assuming Lovren, Remy, and Moreno get done)

I'm very pleased with LFC's business. Upgraded at CB & LB and replaced the useless bench of Moses/Aspas/Alberto with Lallana/Markovic/Can/Lambert/Remy.

Even with all these new players, they're still at a net zero spend because of Suarez. So I don't see any reason not to go after a big name after all the PSG/Real type movement is done and there are some very talented players at those clubs down a few spots in the depth chart. They were apparently willing to go £35 for Sanchez and they were willing to spend big on Willian/Mkhitaryan last year without CL so I can see another big transfer still to come. That'd be icing on the cake for me because I think this team is very solid right now. Maybe they could wait on the January window for somebody if nothing's available now.

Losing Suarez is huge obviously but I watched every single PL Liverpool game in a season for the first time in my life and even though he was getting buckets, I never felt like it was a one man team. He just happened to finish off his many chances at an unbelievable rate. I feel confident that Sturridge/Lambert/Remy will be able to finish enough of those chances to win some games. Sterling/Lallana will definitely contribute goals as well. It may take some time to get all the new players acclimated but I honestly feel top 4 is a very attainable target with this squad. CL will be tough and it all depends on the draw but I'm not even expecting getting out of the group stages so fixture fatigue won't be an issue IMHO.

Like Ribs I like the look of my team long-term as well. Aside from Gerrard, it's a very young team in the starting XI and one that can improve on last year's amazing season. Didn't even mention the deal for Origi that's in the works. He's another long-term option this team will have.

7/21/2014 8:09:06 AM

You're definitely further along than Spurs were when we lost Bale last season because you still have some playmakers on your team in Coutinho, Sturridge, and Gerrard. We were void of that killer guy until Eriksen settled.

I think for Liverpool it comes down to you and United for that 4th spot where Chelsea, Citeh, and Arse are nailed on for qualification. That's why I put Spurs down a little because I don't think we can compete with those two right out of the gate until Poch is given some time to make a few buys and ingrain his playing style into the players.

7/21/2014 9:58:04 AM

Honestly don't want to sound the wazza alarm but United need more than Shaw/Herrera before I put them back up as a top 4 contender.

[Edited on July 21, 2014 at 10:21 AM. Reason : .]

7/21/2014 10:21:00 AM

^ this.. but I think they will still spend a ton this summer.. wouldn't be shocked believe it or not if Cavani was bought (if Di Maria does go to PSG as rumored).

7/21/2014 10:28:38 AM

oh yeah, they'll definitely be spending some money, but only if LVG is interested that is

7/21/2014 10:32:37 AM

Evra to Juventus.

7/21/2014 11:16:22 AM

Remy is a really good buy at that price. Not sure why Arsenal didn't pull the trigger.

Goals per game last 2 seasons:

Suarez - 0.81
Sturridge - 0.72
RVP - 0.65
Aguero - 0.55
Rooney - 0.52
Remy - 0.5
Dzeko - 0.48
Lukaku - 0.48

7/21/2014 2:29:54 PM

He's a squad player for a CL caliber team and wouldn't improve Arsenal IMO. Walcott and Sanchez can do the job just as good if Giroud isn't playing.

Biggest thing Arsenal needs is an upgrade on Giroud if one is available and Remy isn't that.

7/21/2014 3:01:27 PM

But who's playing if Giroud isn't? Sanogo?

7/21/2014 3:19:19 PM

Walcott or Sanchez can play up top. Arsenal will never play two strikers.

Yes Remy can play out wide too but they are already spoiled for choice there (Cazorla, Podolski, Sanchez, Ox, Walcott, Gnabry, Wilshere even).

If they buy a striker or CF it needs to be to upgrade Giroud not compliment.

7/21/2014 3:33:15 PM