I am now aware that this machine is a single processor, (rephrasing of my question) but why does the SMP client run on this single processor machine and not my single processor machine at home?

Page 40 post due to me being ignant and dum.

[Edited on August 1, 2007 at 11:04 AM. Reason : ]

8/1/2007 11:04:24 AM

PM synapse, or he'll probably post soon. Either way you can't run the smp client on a single core machine. The WU won't finish by the deadline.

8/1/2007 11:18:06 AM

P4's with HT show up as dual-core even though it's a single-cpu, HT is like a "simulated" 2nd core, where as dual core is an actual "physical" 2nd core, both are considered single-cpu

8/1/2007 1:09:19 PM

^exactly.

if your machine says Pentium4 on the outside, run the normal folding client.

just because you can get it to run without errors doesn't mean it will complete the work unit by the deadline. ive installed the SMP client on a laptop with an actual dual-core processor...but it was such a slow dual core proc that it couldn't complete the work units in the time allotted (4 days on that particular project).

8/1/2007 3:07:09 PM

good job everyone, we've finally evened out on the top 5 conquest and threat list...in the next 2.2 months we'll go down 5 spots, and gain 5 spots to stay in 99th place. lets keep pressing and start moving up the ladder.

8/2/2007 2:23:11 PM

congrats scanZero on making the top 5! hopefully i'll make it back in soon.

8/2/2007 3:57:58 PM

News for anyone interested in a Quad -

So after weeks of heat and noise issues, I sprung for an Antec 180 case. Awesome case, much quieter than the old aluminum beater I had...but I managed to pop the heatsink loose from my proc in the transfer process, so I took a look underneath. Turns out, the thermal paste wasn't spread evenly, and obviously hadn't been making good contact. I flipped it around and snapped it back down tight, really tight.

Now - get this - it idles at 25, and hits 40-41 going full blast folding.

This is the stock air cooler on a quad - surprising what a little tinkering will do, and to think I was disgusted with it just a few weeks ago.

8/2/2007 10:10:07 PM

^^Yeah, getting there is easy. Staying there is tough.
^Wow, that is a huge difference. I'm glad you got your heat issues resolved.

8/2/2007 10:17:45 PM

^^^ thanks.
^ qft. I'll ride the PPD as long as I can. It's good to see our collective PPD is increasing pretty well.

8/2/2007 11:51:29 PM

^Good work, keep it up. Yeah, we were over 33K points for the day. Hopefully when classes resume, NeoEraser's points will return.

8/3/2007 7:07:01 AM

from what i understand about his machines etc, theyre not coming back.

8/3/2007 9:23:08 AM

were they dropped into a pit of hot molten lava?

8/3/2007 9:40:47 AM

Lost WU? I had a 500+ point WU finishing on a computer and I believe it had trouble connecting to send the data. Well, before it could be sent, someone shut down that PC. When I fired it back up and started FAH back up, it started a new unit, but gave no indication it sent the other. The points haven't shown up. Are the points for that WU done for? This was Friday afternoon.

[Edited on August 4, 2007 at 4:29 PM. Reason : ]

8/4/2007 4:28:59 PM

it might be gone....just make sure they submit properly in the future.

8/5/2007 8:08:29 PM

nvm

[Edited on August 6, 2007 at 1:38 AM. Reason : will edit soon i think]

8/6/2007 1:35:55 AM

which version do you have installed?

most important thing to uninstall is:

Quote :

" For the console version of the software, you should be able to search for the FAH binary (called FAHConsole4.exe ) and delete the Folding@Home program. "

I would also delete fah.exe

Quote :

" However, here are some suggestions for thwarting those who have tried to obscure a Folding@Home installation: 1. Use your OS's file search utilities to look for files with filenames like "FAHlog.txt" or "FAHCore_*.exe". 2. If you find these files, look for executables in the same directory that look unusual and delete them "

8/6/2007 1:39:31 AM

god i'm dyslexic...i read it as "uninstall and delete them" not unusual and delete them

i was like wtf there is no uninstall

the 2 processes i have running are "fahcore_78.exe" and "fah504-console.exe"

[Edited on August 6, 2007 at 1:50 AM. Reason : this should be in the add/remove programs list imo

[Edited on August 6, 2007 at 1:53 AM. Reason : ok i think i got it....my laptop couldnt handle the burden...i use it too much]

8/6/2007 1:49:38 AM

so what would cause this? Any ideas?

8/6/2007 7:24:28 PM

wish i had more information for you...but if you want to read through some forums heres something:

http://www.google.com/search?sourceid=navclient&ie=UTF-8&rls=DGUS,DGUS:2006-12,DGUS:en&q=gromacs+cannot+continue+further

I think as long as it doesn't happen often you're ok.

8/6/2007 7:29:32 PM

anyone else getting bad work units?

i'm confused, i keep getting error 0x7b and no idea why, i've tried uninstalling/reinstalling everything, no clue...

8/7/2007 9:49:10 AM

http://forum.folding-community.org/viewtopic.php?t=18575&highlight=

8/7/2007 10:37:12 AM

i read that thread already, i did not see a solution

8/7/2007 11:46:23 AM

this is the best response to the error i've read:

Quote :

"We know what can "cause" the problem, but not what the problem is. The error appears when the client/core crashes. Messing with network settings, or going out of range on a WIFI connection, or ending the wrong process in the Task Manager, or when a system is overclocked too much. These all cause the client to abort, EUE, and show a 0x7b error. "

i would set the cpu clock back to normal, but i don't want to, i'd rather stop folding, i haven't had any issues thus far with OC'ing either, so i'm not certain it's the cause, it was in fact after a hard crash, but since i removed everything i'm not certain it's file corruption either.

[Edited on August 7, 2007 at 11:53 AM. Reason : .]

8/7/2007 11:52:42 AM

bttt

8/12/2007 10:31:44 PM

i switched to DSL and have had problems over the past few days...hopefully it's all worked out and my PPD can get back up to the 900's again

8/12/2007 11:16:59 PM

i'm rockin' and rolling now

just jumped up to 26 clients

what's the most you guys have had?

8/15/2007 3:26:07 PM

2, maybe up to 8 back in the hay day of 02

[Edited on August 15, 2007 at 4:00 PM. Reason : .]

8/15/2007 3:59:56 PM

^^ i asume results are coming soon...? are you running the new version on all/most?

8/15/2007 4:25:06 PM

^http://fah-web.stanford.edu/cgi-bin/main.py?qtype=userpage&teamnum=59&username=30thAnnZ

as of the latest update it only shows 6, so he'll probably make a big jump

[Edited on August 15, 2007 at 4:46 PM. Reason : .]

8/15/2007 4:45:44 PM

^that is what I was noticing. btw I think the most I have had at once is 5 (and a new smp client produces as much as all of those combined compared on a daily).

8/15/2007 5:13:41 PM

yeah i added them all last night and today and they're all pretty much on the same timeframe for turning in WU's

in the next couple of days it'll jump up in production

no smp though. none of the pc's have dual or quad core

[Edited on August 15, 2007 at 6:27 PM. Reason : *]

8/15/2007 6:09:49 PM

^ gg on setting up that many accounts. 20+ clients should give you the kind of numbers that NeoEraser was putting up...which would be a huge help since we've been falling off lately


gg to ScanZero for keeping up 10K+ points per day, and recently increasing that average to 11.5k ppd!

8/16/2007 9:54:36 AM

wasn't neoeraser near 30,000+ppd?

i think 25 non-smp core's will be near 10,000ppd, still darn good and he'll be the #1/2 producer on the team w/ scanZero (looks like he has 31 cpu's - http://fah-web.stanford.edu/cgi-bin/main.py?qtype=userpage&teamnum=59&username=chemp)

nice work!

[Edited on August 16, 2007 at 10:04 AM. Reason : .]

8/16/2007 10:03:21 AM

Quote :

"i think 25 non-smp core's will be near 10,000ppd"

depends on the processors...if hes running alot of P3s or older P4s not anywhere near that much. if theyre all newish P4s then maybe 5k-7k per day or more.

8/16/2007 11:34:02 AM

as of right now it's looking like it'll only be around 2,500 PPD. it's mostly older p4's with a few p3's thrown in.

i probably have another 10 or so to add, so maybe around 3,500 a day after those

we'll see

[Edited on August 16, 2007 at 11:55 AM. Reason : *]

8/16/2007 11:54:28 AM

^^ of course, i was just assuming the best case scenario , every little bit helps!

[Edited on August 16, 2007 at 12:44 PM. Reason : ,]

8/16/2007 12:44:02 PM

Oh wow, I've fallen off. Hopefully the points come back when the public school fires up back home. If not, it was a great run.

175th in the world ain't bad.

8/16/2007 2:47:46 PM

IIRC, you were in the top 150 back in may when you were avg. 30,000ppd

8/16/2007 8:58:25 PM

holy crap, 30,000 ppd!!

that would be nicccce, ScanZero is approaching half that number...maybe he'll make it there someday

8/17/2007 7:46:51 AM

^ I try to be half the contributor neoeraser is though honestly, all that is possible on my end are folding. depending on work needs, we'll have to see how long the ppd keeps up.

8/17/2007 11:53:04 AM

My 3rd spot is slipping away quickly.

8/19/2007 1:12:41 PM

consider this, right now i'm averaging 1,800ppd. - NeoEraser has produced so many WU for this project that it would take me 7.1 YEARS to contribute what he has contributed... and that's if his ppd doesn't increase again

for scanZero it'll only take him 8.2 months @ 13,000ppd

[Edited on August 20, 2007 at 11:20 AM. Reason : .]

8/20/2007 11:19:10 AM

i got a question. Im kinda new to this folding stuff and this has never happened to me b4, i finished a WU last night and it didnt send for some reason. Now it is just sittin in my queue and i dont know how to attempt to resend it. Like i dont wanna lose it cuz it was worth like 500 points i think. So will this automatically go thru on its own or do i have to resend it myself?

8/20/2007 12:36:48 PM

yeah i have one of those too...i completed a 1700pt WU this monring and it has yet to show up.

they might be having problems on their end, maybe a server is down or something like that.

i dont have time now, but you could probably dig around in the forums and find out something. if nothing else, post your problem there and they'll figure out that happened.
http://forum.folding-community.org/forums.html

8/20/2007 12:56:06 PM

Here is the server status. There are quite a few down right now.
http://fah-web.stanford.edu/serverstat.html

8/20/2007 12:59:04 PM

what's the highest points any WU is worth?

the highest i've seen on any of my now 30 clients is 500

8/20/2007 1:53:11 PM

^Current "official" projects are here: http://fah-web.stanford.edu/psummary.html

From that list it looks like 1760 is the current max. The maximum points are from the large work units and beta projects, if you turn your client to accept both big packets and beta work units you can grab them, but they're pretty memory intensive and tend to have problems.

If your clients aren't constrained on memory and have no problem clearing their current deadlines, I'd suggest setting bigpackets=yes in the config. The larger work units net quite a bit more ppd...at least on my machines.

What's killing my performance is numerous problems with the SMP clients, they're hanging before I notice and missing deadlines, or not finishing at all with core communication errors. A laptop beside me just failed at 98% of a 1760 point unit, threw a core 7b error and deleted the entire work unit...I'm pretty patient with most things but it's run out with this damn client. Whether it's my hardware or not, I'm going to stop using the SMP client since it's hurting more than helping on my machines.

8/20/2007 2:16:13 PM

Quote :

"the highest i've seen on any of my now 30 clients is 500"

That makes sense since you're running the standard client (though I think there may be ~700 point WUs for standard clients sometimes.)

SMP Clients (2+ cores) get the larger WUs worth more points (1000+ points per WU, mostly around 1500-1700 points)

Quote :

"I'm pretty patient with most things but it's run out with this damn client. Whether it's my hardware or not, I'm going to stop using the SMP client since it's hurting more than helping on my machines."

I undertstand your frustration, but imo its worth some problems for the higher point output that the SMP client delivers. Do keep in mind that the older mobile dual-cores may not be beefy enough to complete SMP WUs in time since the deallines are normally around 4 days. It doesn't sound like thats your problem, but something to keep in mind. I'd recommend removing every trace of the SMP client on the machine in question and reinstalling...in a different directory. other option is to run two standard colsoles as services, just be sure to install them in two different directories, use the -local switch and use different MachineIDs in the installation/configuration process. gl.

8/20/2007 2:24:08 PM

it went thru on its own while i was in the shower, so thanks guys, the biggest WU i have ever had was like 660 or something and i do have the big WU thing checked, but im not runnin SMP so i cant get those huge ones

8/20/2007 3:31:26 PM

If you have some free time, you can test your F@H knowledge:
http://folding.stanford.edu/education/triviagame/index.html

8/20/2007 4:10:34 PM