lol how do you respond to it? I've never said she wasn't inexperienced, I've just argued that Obama suffers from a very similar experience issue but for some reason, that isn't a big deal to Democrats.

9/26/2008 2:07:35 PM

He doesn't suffer from the same experiences because A) his resume is stronger than hers...point blank he's done more in the US Senate, State Senate, and in his educational credentials to cream her and B) he put together a campaign that against all odds has bested and/or is currently besting the biggest names in modern politics despite pretty established barriers that faced him (completely new, obviously his race, things like that).

But if nothing else, the way he ACTS and handles himself in public, his leadership abilities, steady hand, foresight to stay calm and collected is worlds beyond freaking Sarah Palin.

I don't expect you to feel the same way I do but to equivocate Palin with Obama is just retarded. As presidential candidates, as politicians, as people with significant abilities and intelligence - it's not close.

9/26/2008 2:33:29 PM

^yep, well said

http://www.cnn.com/video/#/video/politics/2008/09/26/palin.israel.comments.cnn

If I was an elementary school teacher and got this sort of response out of one of my students, I would call their parents and recommend they be put on the short bus.

[Edited on September 26, 2008 at 2:44 PM. Reason : :]

9/26/2008 2:43:45 PM

^^ I didn't say the same experience issues, I said similar.

You cannot argue that he is one of the most inexperienced presidential candidates in history. That's the difference. Obama is the presidential candidate, not the VP like Palin is, to which he should be held to a higher standard and I personally believe a president should have more experience than he does. An ineffective VP means squat if the president is capable of running an administration himself, it doesn't work the other way around. You're probably going to say Biden makes up for it, but when has a president had to rely on his VP heavily on any major issue? If you think Obama can rise above his inexperience, that's fine. But I don't understand how it's such a detriment to McCain and his ability to be president when HE will be president, not her. And don't come back with the age and health issues because every president takes a risk on their lives when they get into office.

9/26/2008 2:53:54 PM

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"but when has a president had to rely on his VP heavily on any major issue?"

Wait a second

What country have you been living in for the past 8 years?

9/26/2008 2:58:41 PM

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"A) his resume is stronger than hers...point blank he's done more in the US Senate, State Senate, and in his educational credentials to cream her and B) he put together a campaign that against all odds has bested and/or is currently besting the biggest names in modern politics despite pretty established barriers that faced him (completely new, obviously his race, things like that)."

are you serious?

A) His resume: US Senator for 2 years before he ran for president. that's it. nobody would give a fuck about a state senator for president, so neither should we. Her resume: A steadily increasing span of executive positions, including governor.

B) Ummm, he won the nomination because he was black. That was it. Sure, he speaks well, but that's about it.

9/26/2008 3:03:35 PM

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"B) Ummm, he won the nomination because he was black. That was it. Sure, he speaks well, but that's about it."

Yep, just like Presidents Sharpton, Keyes, and Jackson!

9/26/2008 3:10:14 PM

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"Wait a second What country have you been living in for the past 8 years?"

lol okay, compare Obama to Bush if you want

9/26/2008 3:12:10 PM

You opened yourself up for it^ Cheney was the first thing I thought of when I read your post. And he definitely wasn't comparing Obama to Bush at all.

[Edited on September 26, 2008 at 3:17 PM. Reason : dd]

9/26/2008 3:16:22 PM

Well obviously it depends on your value system and what you feel is most important in your candidate ,aimorris. All talking points aside here, and I'm not towing the party line by saying this - but to me I've always felt that intelligence, presence, leadership, and judgment were by far the most important things in a president. What have presidents with boatloads of experience ever brought to the white house over our history than the ones with lighter resumes?

Yes, I feel Obama is great at these qualifications. Now I and many others don't doubt that McCain trumps Obama in experience - but at what cost? I look at him and measure all the qualifications I deem important and here's what I see:

Intelligence - McCain is just not as smart and well thought out as Obama. Not even close, when he was failing military exams and in the bottom percentile of his class, Obama was getting a Juris doctorate from Harvard Magna Cum Laude and President of the Harvard Law Review. When I hear them both answer questions I think Obama is a smarter person. Whether it's answering a question in real time, hearing him discuss issues, or the speeches he has put together, he's a brilliant guy.

Presence - Another win for Obama. He is well constituted, has an extremely established and cool under fire demeanor, non-nonplussed and not easily shaken or rattled, someone with a temperament you'd want in tricky situations. He does get some points ticked off...some times he's a bit eggheadish, sometimes comes off as a bit too intellectual but I think even the past 18 months he's come a long way in understanding that. McCain is awkward and stiff, certainly has a constituted presence but doesn't come off as influential or presidential to me. Plus frankly I think he's too fucking old to be president without seriously believing his #2 is ready. Since I think Palin is a joke on Quayle-esque levels there goes that avenue.

Leadership - I think McCain does well and should do better here usually, although something has happened to him this campaign and I think it has to do with desperation and just being tweaked under pressure. I also think he listened to the Rove's of his party way too much. Too easily influenced, that's a bad personality trait...he abandoned what I thought he was all about. What happened to the straigh talk express? He's so erratic and the decision making is horrid and quick to anger, snap decisions, and bad ones at that. Every fucking time you turn your head you scratch your head at this campaign. So he isn't the McCain of old I'm afraid. I think Obama every day becomes a better leader and his demeanor will be great as president. If the campaign is any indicator, it's a capable and well oiled presidency to come.

Judgment - I like Obama's policies better except for his ambiguous stance regarding nuclear power. He did call the Iraq war for what it was back before we got into the mess. He has made time afte time again in the primaries and this election campaign one of the most impressive efforts in the history of presidential politics. Even his enemies would agree with that. It has impressive judgment from the top. I respect that and I look forward to seeing more of it.

Does that make Obama this amazing candidate? No. Does it make him some rip roaring President possibly to be? No. But it does make him a more effective choice given that America is going into the shitter right now. The alternative looks awful AND a scary choice with his behavior. And we haven't even talked about economics or foreign policy yet and then the alternative looks like a nightmare to me.

[Edited on September 26, 2008 at 3:20 PM. Reason : aarron, by the way, your post sucks ass. Executive positions? Wasilla? lol. ]

9/26/2008 3:18:34 PM

people are running out of ammo in defending Paulin....even many conservatives are calling for her to step down after she wowed everyone in her recent interviews

and by wowed, i mean

9/26/2008 3:21:26 PM

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"Too easily influenced"

Yeah, Obama isn't influenced. Not on public campaign financing, or on his longtime pastor, or ...

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"Yep, just like Presidents Sharpton, Keyes, and Jackson!"

inorite? i mean, we all know that if Obama were white, Hillary still wouldn't have won the nomination

9/26/2008 3:43:32 PM

Fair enough. My point is mostly that Palin is a VP candidate, not the presidential one. She may be inexperienced and unqualified but she's not who people are voting for and expecting to lead their country. It's one thing for the left to point it out but to harp on it like she's the 2nd coming of Hitler and the absolute worst person in the world is a bit much. It's not Obama v. Palin; that's my problem with it. Nobody cares about Biden's history with plagiarism, the lies about his education (and the truth that shows his resume isn't exactly sparkling), and his many gaffes over the years ("I mean, you got the first mainstream African-American who is articulate and bright and clean and a nice-looking guy, I mean, that's a storybook, man.") They're not that big of a deal in the grand scheme of things, but the only thing I've heard any Obama supporter say is how his experience is crucial to the ticket. So yeah he provides some experience that Obama lacks, but at what cost?

9/26/2008 3:45:43 PM

my whole thing with the palin pick is that there had to have been a better choice than her

9/26/2008 3:50:37 PM

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"So yeah he provides some experience that Obama lacks, but at what cost?"

I don't understand what the cost is. Whatever gaffes he makes, they are the most inconsequential blundering things...no major errors or anything that would shake your confidence in him as a leader or president...that's my point. In fact, I find Biden a very likable and accomplished guy. I think he was a great choice for Obama. If some crazy ass assasinates Obama if that ever comes god forbid, than I do feel very solid in his abilities.

Palin was just a hail mary political move...which is my point, that's all McCain's campaign is. Sorry, but that as a predictor of McCain's work in the white house has me quite frankly terrified given his temperament, hawkishness to war, and age. And if something were to happen to him this country would be in serious trouble with her at the helm.

9/26/2008 3:56:47 PM

I think it is fair to say at this point that Aaronburro is nothing more than a useless racist.

9/26/2008 4:00:57 PM

thx for playing the race-card, despite any evidence to support your claim. really making your candidate look great

9/26/2008 4:02:17 PM

you've been playing the race card from the get go. Quit whining and maybe people won't think of you as being the racist idiot that you are.

9/26/2008 4:04:05 PM

haha.

you: you're a racist!
me: proof?
you: you're a racist!


good work, smackr. That's almost Bush-esque there, buddy. Tell me, if I am racist for admitting something that Obama's own VP pick admitted earlier in the campaign, then what does that really mean? keep up the good work, man.

9/26/2008 4:12:15 PM

How about your example of Obama is only the nominee because he is black and you attempts to use quotes by others to some how validate your racism.

9/26/2008 4:14:15 PM

So you think that if he were white he would have beaten Hillary? Are you disagreeing with the many mainstream analysts who have said or suggested the same? What about Geraldine Ferrarro? Is SHE a racist?

9/26/2008 4:17:44 PM

no, she is just a bitch with a god awful haircut.

9/26/2008 4:23:27 PM

oh, so she's a bitch, but if I say the exact same thing she does, then I'm a racist. cognitive dissonance? or just plain hypocrisy?

9/26/2008 4:26:33 PM

No, neither.

It makes you ignorant and a douche, and I told you that in the other thread.

9/26/2008 5:23:26 PM

McCain is flip flopping on the whole issue of the debate!

He said he was not gonna go day before yesterday and now he is going.

9/26/2008 5:39:34 PM

haha. I like it.

you: you are a racist for saying X
me: this major Democrat said X
you: so? she's a dumby.
me: is she a racist then?
you: no, you're just a douche.



I will take that as an admission of defeat

9/26/2008 5:52:42 PM

^ You are a douche though.

And that Hillary person might be a racist, it's hard to tell without knowing her better.

9/26/2008 5:58:22 PM

so can i watch the debate on CNN.com? i'm too cheap for cable.

9/26/2008 6:13:24 PM

You can watch it on rabbit ears.

Unless when you said "cable," you meant "a television."

9/26/2008 6:15:57 PM

from the CNN ticker today:

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"Palin should step down, conservative commentator says Posted: 04:27 PM ET From CNN Ticker Producer Alexander Mooney Palin was in New York City Thursday. (CNN) – Prominent conservative columnist Kathleen Parker, an early supporter of Republican VP candidate Sarah Palin, said Friday recent interviews have shown the Alaska governor is "out of her league" and should leave the GOP presidential ticket for the good of the party. The criticism in Parker's Friday column is the latest in a recent string of negative assessments toward the McCain-Palin candidacy from prominent conservatives. It was fun while it lasted," Parker writes. "Palin's recent interviews with Charles Gibson, Sean Hannity, and now Katie Couric have all revealed an attractive, earnest, confident candidate. Who is clearly out of her league." Palin's interview with Couric drew criticism when the Alaska governor was unable to provide an example of when John McCain had pushed for more regulation of Wall Street during his Senate career. Palin also took heat for defending her foreign policy credentials by suggesting Russian leaders enter Alaska airspace when they come to America. Palin was also criticized last week for appearing not to know what the Bush Doctrine is during an interview with Charlie Gibson. "If BS were currency, Palin could bail out Wall Street herself," Parker also writes. "If Palin were a man, we'd all be guffawing, just as we do every time Joe Biden tickles the back of his throat with his toes. But because she's a woman — and the first ever on a Republican presidential ticket — we are reluctant to say what is painfully true." Parker, who praised McCain's "keen judgment" for picking Palin earlier this month and wrote the Alaska governor is a "perfect storm of God, Mom and apple pie," now says Palin should step down from the ticket. "Only Palin can save McCain, her party, and the country she loves," Parker writes. She can bow out for personal reasons, perhaps because she wants to spend more time with her newborn. No one would criticize a mother who puts her family first. Do it for your country." Parker's comments follow those by prominent conservatives David Brooks, George Will, and David Frum who have all publicly questioned Palin's readiness to be vice president. "Sarah Palin has many virtues," Brooks wrote in a recent column. "If you wanted someone to destroy a corrupt establishment, she'd be your woman. But the constructive act of governance is another matter. She has not been engaged in national issues, does not have a repertoire of historic patterns and, like President Bush, she seems to compensate for her lack of experience with brashness and excessive decisiveness.""

She bails, the ticket is pretty much toast. They have to make it better, not drop her.

9/26/2008 6:27:06 PM

aha. nevermind. luckily i get PBS really, really well.

9/26/2008 6:28:07 PM

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"I will take that as an admission of defeat"

i never called you racist tard, although I said I am suspicious of that the way you keep wielding Obama's race constantly around here.

9/26/2008 6:34:32 PM

9/26/2008 8:15:11 PM

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"She bails, the ticket is pretty much toast. They have to make it better, not drop her."

yeah right; if anything it would help McCain. The evangelicals and walmart moms are still going to vote McCain. Perhaps with a more moderate, experienced, and intelligent VP pick McCain could rack in moderates, libertarians, and racist democrats who balk at having this cunt being #2.

I would rather have George W change his name to Billy Bob put on a new face and be VP than have Palin

[Edited on September 26, 2008 at 10:14 PM. Reason : l]

9/26/2008 10:09:48 PM

how many gimmicks is mccain gonna do lol...first palin, then the whole suspending his campaign...now getting a new vp pick?

9/27/2008 12:09:45 PM

Where was Palin last night, btw?

If anyone's qualified to discuss foreign policy issues, it's her. This was her night to shine.

[Edited on September 27, 2008 at 1:38 PM. Reason : ]

9/27/2008 1:38:14 PM

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"John McCain is losing ground with older Americans, a group that consistently has high turnout at the voting booth. Barack Obama jumped to a 46-42 percent lead among those 65 and older in the latest Bloomberg/Los Angeles Times poll. That's an 18 percentage-point swing since mid-August, when the poll showed McCain with a 50-36 percent advantage."

- http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601070&sid=an8WDB6dqvfQ&refer=home

9/27/2008 1:42:00 PM

They darned well better turn against the guy who threw a wrench into the bailout bill.

They can't wait around for the long term

9/27/2008 1:43:05 PM

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"Fair enough. My point is mostly that Palin is a VP candidate, not the presidential one. She may be inexperienced and unqualified[...]"

WHAT?!? how does that make it ok? mccain would be the oldest us president in history and you are ok with a vice president that is inexperieced and unqualified? what? and after the current administration has given the vice president a louder voice than ever before. i just can't wrap my head around how her only being the VP candidate makes it okay.

9/27/2008 2:00:22 PM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OBghD0XBN5M&feature=related

9/27/2008 6:12:12 PM

Has anybody seen that TV series Prison Break.

I think whoever wrote that show had a crystal ball to see the future and cast the evil conspiring Vice President, who goes around killing people and setting up innocents for crimes they didn't commit, on Sarah Palin.

Hell, the reason behind the conspiracy was to protect Big Oil

9/27/2008 8:58:39 PM

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"No one would criticize a mother who puts her family first. Do it for your country."

riiiiiiiiight. the press would pound her and McCain so hard if she quit that we might as well elect Obama on that day. Also glad to see that CNN is still harping on the trick question on the Bush Doctrine that nobody else had heard of either.

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"i never called you racist tard, although I said I am suspicious of that the way you keep wielding Obama's race constantly around here."

Oh, that's bullshit.

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"No if anything the way you continously harp about him only winning because he is black burro, that actually makes you a douche if not a racist."

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"You and your minority few in this country that share your stance are dead wrong about this. There is nothing accomplished in being ignorant."

In short, SHUT THE FUCK UP. Thanks for playing the "racism" card.

9/27/2008 9:06:03 PM

So is McCain's campaign still suspended or what?

haha

9/27/2008 11:18:40 PM

ahaha, i think I might have inspired that post, lawls

9/27/2008 11:33:18 PM

http://rapidshare.com/files/148993404/sarah-palin-1984-beauty-pageant.avi.html

9/28/2008 1:10:53 AM

9/28/2008 1:55:19 AM

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/us_and_americas/us_elections/article4837644.ece

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"In an election campaign notable for its surprises, Sarah Palin, the Republican vice- presidential candidate, may be about to spring a new one — the wedding of her pregnant teenage daughter to her ice-hockey-playing fiancé before the November 4 election. Inside John McCain’s campaign the expectation is growing that there will be a popularity boosting pre-election wedding in Alaska between Bristol Palin, 17, and Levi Johnston, 18, her schoolmate and father of her baby. “It would be fantastic,” said a McCain insider. “You would have every TV camera there. The entire country would be watching. It would shut down the race for a week.”"

9/28/2008 2:09:52 AM

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"“It would be fantastic,” said a McCain insider. “You would have every TV camera there. The entire country would be watching. It would shut down the race for a week.”"

Mother.
Fucking.
*carlface*

I've basically lost what little respect I had for Sarah Palin... she's going about as low as a politician can possibly go... using major, life-changing events in the lives of her family members as a political diversion. This cannot be good for her daughter, at all, and any advantages she may have had on the "family values" platform should now be dissolved in the minds of all rational people... her daughter's life and future is nothing but a tool to her.

[Edited on September 28, 2008 at 2:30 AM. Reason : .]

9/28/2008 2:14:10 AM

They're even admitting to rushing it in before the election as a diversion. Typical. Lets forget about Palin's absurd lack of qualification and focus on her adorable little slut and her snowbilly babydaddy.

9/28/2008 2:18:42 AM

I mean wtf? It won't shut down anything for any week, this falls in the 'so fucking what' news. It'll get a little pub but that's about it. I love how they are trying to sell shit that's an inch thin

9/28/2008 2:32:51 AM