^^Depends on your class and build and how much +dmg you are sacrificing to get that. Crit is only as good as the damage it is augmenting.
My WD is standing at 3% crit chance with 20% bonus dmg, so yeah, I'm not too heavy on crit haha. I should definitely get more, though.

Act 3 inferno, btw.

[Edited on June 21, 2012 at 10:13 AM. Reason : ]

6/21/2012 10:12:55 AM

You don't have to use the acution house at all to progress in this game.

But don't expect to clear content one or two times and move onto the next area.

This game is about repeating farming content for gear and/or $$

If Act 2 is way too hard but you can do Act 1, you need to farm Act 1 a lot. Not a few times, a LOT. Dozens, probably more.

If you're going to sell on the AH, make sure the item is worth taking up a spot. If you're on inferno, selling something for 20k is not worth one of your auction slots. Finding an item worth auctioning isnt all that common. If you're unsure just post its stats here and I am sure someone who plays the class that its meant for will let you know.

6/21/2012 10:49:21 AM

Quote :

" selling something for 20k is not worth one of your auction slots. "

not always true, you can make decent money with high volume and quick turnaround.

6/21/2012 11:33:07 AM

Fuck these repair costs. Fuck you Blizzard

6/21/2012 11:36:30 AM

Yeah, i disagree as well. I always keep all 20 auction slots loaded up.

I will typically pass so-so items through the RMAH before putting them on the gold AH. Pretty much any item I get that is iLvl 61 or above goes through the auction houses before I salvage.

You never know who wants what or who will be stupid about buying a piece of gear for one particular stat.

6/21/2012 11:37:08 AM

^this for me too

a quick lookup of what i want to sell in order to find comparables helps me price things in such a way that they sell pretty quickly.

6/21/2012 11:54:59 AM

Quote :

"Fuck these repair costs. Fuck you Blizzard "

you can thank the gold farming bots for the inflation

6/21/2012 11:57:44 AM

What did you expect? Gold was quickly going towards the Diablo 2 standard where it was complete junk. The only reason it was worth anything was that Blizzard established it's worth via Auction House. Even then, prices got higher and higher as more gold entered the market.

The gold sink Blizzard planned was crafting, but it doesn't make the absolute top tier (62 vs 63) and it was obscenely expensive. It was easier to sell the mats and make money that way. So they made that much cheaper (for everything but the top) and buffed the price of something that everyone will partake in (repairing).

The main people complaining are those that went glass cannon and died a lot, or people who are playing in Acts that they are not prepared for. Stock for defensive items has gone up now that repair sucks and you don't need ridiculous numbers to not get one shot. My WD feels like a god in Act 2 inferno now.

I very much welcome this change.

[Edited on June 21, 2012 at 12:12 PM. Reason : ]

6/21/2012 12:11:18 PM

Depends. If a bad combo spawns at an entrance there's really nothing you can do as a ranged class.

6/21/2012 12:48:26 PM

Have you noticed that gear with Ignore Durability Loss has already spiked tremendously in price since the patch? The farmers will just get the best IDL + MF gear they can find, and continue to destroy the economy.

[Edited on June 21, 2012 at 12:49 PM. Reason : -]

6/21/2012 12:48:32 PM

Quote :

"What are you farming? Butcher runs should regularly drop items between 20k-100k, more now that the higher gear can still drop. My best item sell from the butcher was a 1.8M amulet. My best from a Magda run was 2M. My best item I've gotten from Siegebreaker sold for 4M. I have another that should go for 5M+. You can get good money by farming items as opposed to gaming the AH. Selling for 20k just seems really really low since I sold things for much more than that at level 30-40."

Are you referring to inferno? I'm not even close to the Butcher in inferno yet. Stuck in the spider queen's cave. Every attempt ends up running into a hyper fast elite pack that cannot be killed.

6/21/2012 12:48:57 PM

You need to gear up a lot more then. Go back and farm hell mode.

My WD can stomp most stuff in Act 1 inferno, but Act 2 just hands me my ass, but it is getting easier the more gear i get.

6/21/2012 12:54:00 PM

Yep. Act 4 Hell runs sounds like the right place, then. Or even just farming the early stages of Act 1 Inferno. It isn't too bad.
Did you solo Act 4 Hell or do it as a group? You should be able to solo most of that by now (ignoring the first boss with all the bugs). Granted the second boss can be tricky if your DPS is low.

6/21/2012 1:09:15 PM

Id recommend Act3 for farming hell difficulty since acts 3 and 4 can still drop inferno level loot.

Clearing the bridge and doing 5 stack siege breaker or even starting earlier and doing the ramparts/catapults would probably be worth it if you are having trouble in act 1 inferno.

6/21/2012 1:47:30 PM

Quote :

"If Act 2 is way too hard but you can do Act 1, you need to farm Act 1 a lot. Not a few times, a LOT. Dozens, probably more. If you're going to sell on the AH, make sure the item is worth taking up a spot. If you're on inferno, selling something for 20k is not worth one of your auction slots. Finding an item worth auctioning isnt all that common. If you're unsure just post its stats here and I am sure someone who plays the class that its meant for will let you know."

This. A 1000x this.

20k gold isn't work an AH slot. Most of the yellows that drop are garbage. Complete garbage. You can vendor most of them. Out of 20 yellows iLevel 61+, 1-2 will be worth sticking on the AH.

But if you get something you're not sure about, stick it in your bank, and look up a similar item with the same top stats.

Quote :

"Are you referring to inferno? I'm not even close to the Butcher in inferno yet. Stuck in the spider queen's cave. Every attempt ends up running into a hyper fast elite pack that cannot be killed."

If you're open to suggestion, and if it's manageable, try running from Haedrigs wife to the Skeleton King, and try and clear all the elite packs. Just run that, then reset. It's a pretty easy section of Act 1, yet has enough elite packs to make clearing worth it. The elite packs are the important part, with 5 stacks of valor they guarantee a yellow drop, if not 2-3. And clear everything, all the map and side dungeons. You probably won't be able to kill all the packs, but clear what you can and then drag the others out of the way. The key to this is not dying. If you're dying a lot, go back to Act 4 Hell. b/c you'll be losing $$ on repair costs.

6/21/2012 1:52:29 PM

If I can't get 250k+ for it I don't AH it. The worst thing you can have happen is that you get a great drop that you can turn fast for 1mil+ yet can't put up because you have a ton of crap sitting there at 10k. I tried at first the turn items fast at a low cost, and to be honest it isn't worth it.

It is much easier to sell 1 item for 1 mil, than 20 items for 50k.

As far as gold goes, there are lots of ways to make gold with little to no risk of dying. It is fairly easy to get to the point of being able to do act 1 butcher runs. Get the 5 stacks from the cemetery first and then clear the levels fully. Get 2 boss kills with butcher and warden. You should die maybe 1 time if that doing that run and with the most recent patch you have chances to get even better drops now than before when it was still profitable. You have to be willing to put in a some mindless time though, but if you aren't willing to do that then hard to complain.

6/21/2012 1:57:03 PM

some great knowledge being dropped right here, appreciate the tips fellas

6/21/2012 2:27:48 PM

To be fair I dont bot 18 hours a day on a regular basis. And I make maybe 1-200k an hour from it, so its just extra cash. Most of my money has come from farming ponies.

And as to whether something is worth selling... It has nothing to do with the value, it has to do with the speed of sale. A level 60 1 hander with 700 dps might have an average cost of 50k, but wont sell because what level 60 wants one?

Also a tip for the AH for those under 60... if you are looking for weapons set the level req as 60 and then pick reduced level req as a stat with whatever 60 minus your level is. You will find weapons with far higher dps then anything else. Super fun having an ilvl63 weapon on a level 44 toon.

[Edited on June 21, 2012 at 2:37 PM. Reason : a]

6/21/2012 2:32:12 PM

Quote :

"Yep. Act 4 Hell runs sounds like the right place, then. Or even just farming the early stages of Act 1 Inferno. It isn't too bad. Did you solo Act 4 Hell or do it as a group? You should be able to solo most of that by now (ignoring the first boss with all the bugs). Granted the second boss can be tricky if your DPS is low."

Never played in a group at all. Solo the entire way so far. I can do Act IV Hell without dying once, piece of cake. Also beginning of Act 1 with all the super slow zombies. Guess I'll farm there.

6/21/2012 2:48:07 PM

lol danny u know im just trolling, bots are a great way to quickly stack gold like slim thug. agree on the reduced lev requirement, probably one of the most overlooked properties but yea its a great way to be ahead of the curve any level 1-57 or w/e

6/21/2012 2:55:48 PM

unfortunately all the hardcore characters are well aware of the worth of level requirement reduction items so they are all very expensive

6/21/2012 3:13:43 PM

Try and find a friend who plays at the same times you do.

Inferno is much more tolerable when you play with someone, even if you die the same, you can have fun doing it.

I play with another guy, and we have gotten really good at tag team kiting mobs. One of us can run around with the leader and a few minions, and the other can peel them off a few at a time and attack them in a different area.

You have to have a decent amount of strategy in inferno, its not just click click click click click and kill. When we come across a pack, we typically find, and clear if necessary, a good kiting area first and then engage the mob pack. Turn on elective mode and stack your skills to match your play style.

For example, here is my WD play style (vastly different than people on the boards, but works great for me).

I only have 1 real attack, Poison dart w/splinters, and the rest are "defensive" skills designed to make kiting easier. WoZ w/barricade, Grasp w/unbreakable, Spirit walk w/healing, BBV w/ghost trance, and Fetish army w/legion.

Typically, I will use WoZ to seal a hallway, then grasp to slow them after the wall, and spirit walk + fetish army to get away. If I can get the mobs trapped or in a tight kiting area, I drop the BBV totem to heal us up and give the attack speed boost.

Fetish army is nice because no matter how much damage the mob does, they still have to perform as many attacks as there are fetishes, which gives me and my buddy enough time to just nuke the hell out of them.

6/21/2012 3:16:30 PM

That's how I started my WD (except I didn't use BBV).
It pretty good, but I switched a few skills around for a few reasons. Fetish Army is good, but I think the CD is just too long for the amount of benefit you gain. They also melt away immediately with Plague mobs, which are the bane of Splinters builds due to reduced poison damage. I switched it for Hex because it is excellent at keeping one mob on lockdown and you can get near 100% uptime with him. He's great for kiting, too, since he'll stay in one spot while you run away.

I also switched WoZ for Locusts. Wall is still great, but I wanted another damage ability. The CD on WoZ is just too high for that and I've noticed more and more enemies are ignoring it (Siegebreaker, Act 3 Moloks, Treasure Goblins, etc). I also wanted something to kill Illusion mobs, which just won't happen with Splinters. Locusts it was!

6/21/2012 3:32:29 PM

Yeah, ive been thinking about swapping something for locusts, would give me another kiting damage skill.

We are still in Act 1 and 2 in inferno, so as we get further along ill probably switch.


That being said, I do love this aspect of D3 way more than WoW. There isn't just a cookie cutter "proper" build for your class. Unless you just pick stupid skills to prove a point, most builds are viable throughout the game. Even though D3 is just one huge item grind, they entire series has always found that sweet spot where it doesnt feel like grinding mobs did in WoW or any of the other MMOs.



[Edited on June 21, 2012 at 3:57 PM. Reason : WoW comparison]

6/21/2012 3:54:35 PM

big lols to whoever suggests you need to use AH to progress or get a lot of gold.

i used the AH once (selling 45k item) and refuse to buy anything. My barb doesnt do much spectacular but I can farm parts of act 2 inferno and usually run it with friends. i also have a max jeweler/blacksmith and 1 mil in gold. 100k/hr is pretty standard.

now that said, im strictly NOT opposed to selling on the RMAH :p. only made 20 bux so far, but that was 1 item.

6/21/2012 4:11:06 PM

if i may ask, why do you refuse to buy anything in gold on the AH? is that a principle type of thing

6/21/2012 4:36:01 PM

i don't use the gold auction house. i wouldn't call it "principle", i just think it's more fun to find your own stuff. i usually only play with my friends at this point, and you can come up with good items and gems surprisingly fast if you swap items amongst yourselves.

6/21/2012 4:40:49 PM

yep, that's it, though i noted it last page. the game is all about finidng good gear and progressing. what's the point (particularly under level 60) of buying gear? for example, my 1hd is 575dps. i could buy one (last i looked) with nearly double that dps for 100k or less. that's 1 hour of gameplay, whereas mine took many hours to find. it just feels like defeating the purpose of the game, because once i beat inferno, there's not much else to go after.

i find it much more fun to play with 3 other people and just share gear with each other based on the chance it drops. feels much more rewarding when you get a sweet item rather than just selling stuff (or even worse, dropping real money).

with the new repair costs i totallly understand selling things on the AH to keep gold reserves high though, that's for sure.

[Edited on June 21, 2012 at 4:43 PM. Reason : .]

6/21/2012 4:42:19 PM

^ you should play hardcore

6/21/2012 4:53:13 PM

no doubt. i wouldnt play hardcore because of lag issues and the like, but i definitely understand the appeal there.

6/21/2012 5:03:31 PM

Anyone tried Ghom post 1.0.3? What gives? It's like Butcher with a 30 second enrage timer.

I was with a group that facerolled Keep Level 1 through Larder and then abandoned our 5-stack because we couldn't survive the poison fart gas chamber.

6/21/2012 5:52:05 PM

I beat Ghom solo with my monk post-1.03, but I agree it was much more difficult. I had to be very careful to stop riiiight outside the edge of the cloud so that they would dissipate by the time I got back around to that spot. I killed him right as the enrage timer started by burning all my heals and invulnerability cooldowns sequentially.

I imagine it would be very difficult with multiple players, depending on class makeup. He clouds himself and you now, so you if your tank has an invuln skill on a 15- or 30-second cooldown, use it to run in to melee range and make him spawn both clouds in the same place whenever the cooldown is up. That will give you a little more room to kite him around before filling up the whole room.

6/21/2012 7:16:51 PM

i got to act 3 of hell with my barbarian with a buddy the other day. Tried playing it solo today and was getting dominated by just regular mobs. Farming act 2 of hell and I picked up a boss ring and a better shield in about 1 hr of gameplay. Also picked up a couple bows that did >300 dps. useless to me though. First time i've had to actually farm to continue

6/21/2012 7:39:41 PM

So how are things calculated with dual wielding? Like I added a shield at one point and gained DPS.

6/21/2012 11:32:17 PM

You gain 15% attack speed and the damage is averaged between the two weapons.

6/22/2012 12:33:45 AM

Finally got my first really nice random roll. Freaking sick monk 1 hander.

1h sword
1.4 aps
839 dps
854 life on hit
socket
194 dex
59 strength

6/22/2012 8:41:28 AM

Quote :

" My WD feels like a god in Act 2 inferno now."

Can you show your build and equip?

6/22/2012 9:50:02 AM

Yeah, no problem. I can do that after work.
I can't get to Battle.net currently, but do they have a Diablo 3 armory like WoW where you can just point at someone's character to look at them? I know that you can do that in game if you friend someone, but I was hoping it was easy to just point somewhere on the interweb.

6/22/2012 11:03:44 AM

this^

Would love that.

6/22/2012 11:07:42 AM

i'm running one of my alts through nightmare for the first time and none of the bosses are dropping rares, despite me not having beaten them before. did i miss something?

6/22/2012 12:22:08 PM

Bosses don't drop rares guaranteed.

6/22/2012 12:26:40 PM

youre guaranteed a rare from all of the bosses the first time you kill them (i.e. normal difficulty)

youre guaranteed a rare from all bosses and champion/rare packs if you have 5 stacks of Nephalem Valor (at level 60)

These are the only two cases in the game that i know of where you are guaranteed a rare.

Also, they have said they plan on doing a 'wow armory' type feature for D3, just no ETA.

So real soon im sure.

[Edited on June 22, 2012 at 12:30 PM. Reason : *]

6/22/2012 12:30:29 PM

Soon™

6/22/2012 2:30:15 PM

the only thing i put on the ah cheap are MF items. they will always sell, just undercut the lowest.

and they sell instantly. onyl for 5-20k but they ALWAYS sell. and it's owrth more than the 1900 you'd get for sharding it.



other than that, yah no worth it to put up shit items that might not sell

6/22/2012 2:36:23 PM

Quote :

"Finally got my first really nice random roll. Freaking sick monk 1 hander. 1h sword 1.4 aps 839 dps 854 life on hit socket 194 dex 59 strength"

Haha, holla at a brotha. I would rock that as my offhand weapon with a nice emerald in the socket. Grats on the drop, that much LoH is pretty sick!

6/22/2012 4:51:09 PM

i've noticed a HUGE difference on my barb switching from a nonLOH weapon from a +400 LOH hit. I had to switch back almost immediately.

6/22/2012 5:56:28 PM

^^ It was just my first 250$ sell Probably could've sold it for more in gold, but I'll take the money I can get. 211$ bucks on the way to my paypal account.

6/22/2012 6:54:57 PM

The fact that anyone would even remotely consider buying an in game item for anything more than like $20 just baffles me. If you spend $250 you either have way too much money or seriously no life.

6/22/2012 8:03:01 PM

It probably, say, 7 million people playing this game right now ... there is bound to be someone or somebodies that are willing to buy (and will buy) an item for $250... moral of the story, go find loot and sell it.

6/22/2012 9:08:37 PM

A fool and his money are easily parted

6/22/2012 9:25:56 PM