^^He mentioned it already has a BUNCH of software on it, so I just wanted to verify how "fresh" it is.

You wouldn't believe how many people think a fresh install of windows just means putting in the disk and installing it on top of an existing version (IE: No format)

4/6/2010 1:25:13 PM

no, it was definitely fresh...did it on sunday, noticed the problem almost immediately (and i was the only one to put software on there, so i know - knew - what was on there when the problem started)...i basically, installed win7, installed office, and then did all the updates...i didn't actually test office before doing the updates though (i mean, i never had to before)

*shrug*

4/6/2010 1:32:30 PM

bttt

Quote :

"Does anyone have any experience installing Windows 7 on a nForce 4 series motherboard? If so, could you please describe your experience, particularly concerning how you handled the fact that it seems that most motherboard makers and nVidia haven't made Windows 7 drivers."

4/6/2010 2:20:07 PM

A Windows 7 SP1 Pre-Beta has leaked. You can find it around the Internet. I'm installing it now.

4/8/2010 12:05:09 AM

I'm not sure I understand the logic of installing a leaked beta of a service pack.

[Edited on April 8, 2010 at 12:12 AM. Reason : not questioning ^, just unclear about the benefit.]

4/8/2010 12:08:07 AM

because its so shitty, any slight hope of improvement is worth it

4/8/2010 12:31:02 AM

that's an opinion, and really doesn't answer my question at all.

4/8/2010 12:34:52 AM

There's no point (imo) in dling the beta of SP1. Windows 7 works fine as is, I can wait until the actual SP comes out.

4/8/2010 12:59:55 AM

I want to see if it will fix the aero stutter bug. Something I have experienced on 4 totally different computers.

http://social.answers.microsoft.com/Forums/en-US/w7performance/thread/91dd2caf-eb09-40e3-ac7f-92635d23b237

This is arguably the best video of it:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YWdVrSUhvLE

However, from what I can see, the opening stutter is gone, but the closing one still remains.

4/8/2010 1:03:23 AM

seriously?

opening and closing a window happens in less than a half a second. if there's a stutter, it is undetectable to me.

4/8/2010 1:08:53 AM

I've never had that problem and my laptop is sorta weak.
Not saying it isn't widespread or anything. I've just never had it.

[Edited on April 8, 2010 at 1:10 AM. Reason : moar]

4/8/2010 1:10:10 AM

maybe i missed the point... are we talking about the sluggish opening and closing of windows in that video? if so, i thought that was a setting that you could change somewhere. i might be confusing that with something entirely different.

4/8/2010 1:13:31 AM

I'm not talking about the speed. That video was slowed down to make it a bit more obvious. If you used Vista and remember it's smooth closing of windows, the stutter in Windows 7 stands out like a sore thumb.

In the video, you can clearly see it skip a few frames as soon as you hit the close button and continue on smoothly. It's also obvious that it's not a bug, as it doesn't do it all the time, and there is a workaround by opening up the magnifier and closing it (weird, I know).

Like I said, I have seen this on 4 different computers (actually 6, now that I think about it, I forgot my friend's netbook and my other friend's PC).

It's on my desktop:

AMD X2 4200+ 2.2 Ghz
8800GTS 512 MB
6 GB of DDR2 800 RAM
ASUS M2N-SLI Deluxe Motherboard

My father's laptop:
Intel Core 2 Duo 1.66 Ghz
Intel GMA X3100
2 GB of DDR2 667 RAM

It's a Lenovo

My grandfather's desktop:
AMD X3 Phenom II @ 2.8 Ghz
4 GB of DDR2 800 RAM
ATi HD 3200
And a gigabyte motherboard that I cannot recall off the top of my head

My Macbook Pro:
Intel Core 2 Duo @ 2.2 Ghz
2 GB of DDR2 667 RAM
Nvidia 8600M GT 128 MB

My friend's netbook:
An AMD Neo
2 GB of RAM
ATi Mobility x1350 (IIRC)

My friend's desktop PC:
An Intel Core 2 Quad Q8300
4 GB of DDR2 800 RAM
ATi HD4850 1 GB
And I don't recall the motherboard

From the low end, to the mid-range and to the high-end, the bug has persisted. From Intel to AMD, from Intel, Nvidia to ATi/AMD. From 2 GB of RAM to 6 GB of RAM. There's a fucking bug. Yeah, some may not notice it, but it's there.

4/8/2010 1:28:02 AM

Yep, there's a registry setting that allows you to hold down Shift to slow down the animation exactly like that.

Here: http://www.techmetica.com/howto/using-shift-to-slow-down-animations-in-windows-aero/

Notice how this video of this trick in Vista looks exactly like that video posted of Win7.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ug1zFxecPpY


merbig: I don't know what you are experiencing, then, I've not seen the problem exist outside of this registry hack.

[Edited on April 8, 2010 at 1:33 AM. Reason : .]

4/8/2010 1:29:49 AM

gotcha. i wanna say that i might have seen that once or twice myself on some varying hardware, but can honestly say that i never thought about it being a bug. more like, "hey, microsoft is trying to make windows look cool. yay for them."

4/8/2010 1:30:19 AM

^^ That doesn't look exactly like it at all. The Vista one had laggy animations. The Windows 7 one only had it at the beginning. The Vista one looks like it's laggy due to the screen recorder.

Again, I've seen this on 6 different systems, each with the bug.

4/8/2010 2:31:06 AM

I haven't had the explorer has stopped working error for a long time now. Maybe it got fixed in a Windows update where I didn't pay attention to the issue being fixed, maybe it was a driver thing - the only driver I ever bother updating is the nVidia gfx card driver, or maybe I've just been incredibly lucky.

Anyone else experience a decrease in the error.

5/5/2010 9:40:02 PM

glad to see some of the explorer issues have been fixed, like how programs would never actual close out when you exited them (after checking in Task Manager)

Also I have never had explorer stop working and I've been using W7 since launch day.

(I'm on W7 Pro x64)




[Edited on May 5, 2010 at 11:02 PM. Reason : .]

5/5/2010 11:01:29 PM

Has anyone else noticed their laptops taking longer and longer to resume from sleep mode?

I can't tell if it's because of all the corporate security junk or what, but it takes my laptop live 2-3 minutes to fully resume from sleep. It's usable in 10 seconds or so, but the HDD CHURNS and churns for a couple of minutes.

I thought maybe it's the page/hiber file swapping out from disc to memory, but it doesn't seem to make any difference if they are turned on or off.

5/6/2010 3:35:23 PM

mine used to have a really weird long as hell pause when i'd login just after resuming from sleep. it'd turn on fine then take like 5 minutes to actually do anything after i hit enter on my password.

i just reinstalled and it's not doing it anymore

[Edited on May 6, 2010 at 3:44 PM. Reason : on x61t]

5/6/2010 3:36:54 PM

maybe it was an update? Have you re-updated since you reinstalled?

5/6/2010 3:39:41 PM

odd. my netbook takes a few seconds to restore from sleep mode. ready to work within seconds. My desktop on the other hand had some issues like you guys are describing. I think it has to do with the bios though.

5/6/2010 3:41:38 PM

I just got Windows 7 Enterprise and I'm quite pleased with it thus far. I did a fresh install and it runs very fast. I have a WEI score of 5.9, because of my HDD speed, which is good enough. I'm trying to tweak it even more, and I have found a lot of things online already. Any suggestions beyond the obvious, google hivemind searching?

5/6/2010 3:51:35 PM

^Why enterprise? Unless you're on an AD domain, you are much much better off with Ultimate or Professional.

5/6/2010 7:07:25 PM

Twas free, through my company, and I am on an AD domain.

5/7/2010 8:43:14 AM

Quote :

"Has anyone else noticed their laptops taking longer and longer to resume from sleep mode?"

That's been my biggest surprise so far. I sold my mbp for a Win7 desktop replacement and it's FASTER to come out of sleep than the mbp was (especially when waiting on wireless networking to resume). I haven't restarted it in over a week so I've been blown away. I hope this isn't a long term issue that's coming up.

5/7/2010 9:24:47 AM

I've noticed slow up time coming out of sleep mode. Usually explorer will come up very quickly, even allowing you to start certain programs almost immediately. That's mostly for appearance sake though as it takes quite a while for the system to come up fully. The hard drive will be on for a solid minute and certain functions/programs simply won't work until the resume is completely done hitting the hard drive.

USB devices come to mind. I know I'll be sitting there a full minute waiting for any USB device to come back online.

5/7/2010 11:43:27 AM

I have a laptop that takes a while to come out of hibernate, but sleep is fine. I think the hibernate part is just because its got this dumb gay intel management thing that adds like 60 seconds to the boot time.

[Edited on May 7, 2010 at 11:45 AM. Reason : d]

5/7/2010 11:45:12 AM

Intel management things are gay? They must not put out.

5/7/2010 11:56:39 AM

yes. the gayest

5/7/2010 12:03:16 PM

i don't feel any special kinship for intel management thingies.

5/7/2010 12:04:46 PM

Anyone having issues with their machine coming out of sleep mode and completely hard locking? I can move the mouse around for a bit but nothing actually works and eventually everything freezes.

5/7/2010 1:04:18 PM

^ this is a common issue I think. A friend who built his own PC (intel mobo) had it. His solution was to just not let the PC sleep. Check for a BIOS update though, it may help.

5/7/2010 2:43:55 PM

Yeah I am finding its pretty common, but the solutions to it are varied.

I have read BIOS updates, video display driver updates, Don't let it sleep, USB power management settings, among others.

I recently moved the computer so everything was unplugged and this behavior has only started since putting it back together. The only physical or software change is that many of my USB items are definitely not in the same slots as before, so my issue may have to do with that.

My plan is to update the BIOS and see if that works. If it doesn't I have read turning off USB power management will fix it. I'll post back results in case others come looking for a solution.

5/7/2010 3:24:15 PM

99% chance it's an IPv6 issue.

When you log back in, let it sit for 10 minutes (seriously). If it comes back, you'll never have the issue again. If it doesn't then you do have some sort of driver/hardware issue.

This has been happening (I think due to a security update) on networked Win7 installs with IPv6 enabled, but on IPv4 networks (which is an astonishing majority of consumer routers).

Alternatively you can boot into safe mode, disable all of your network drivers and reboot. Then enable them and remove IPv6 manually before you sleep/restart the computer again.

5/7/2010 5:04:01 PM

how do i change the product key? i've been using this copy that i found in the park and now that i can get 64-bit ultimate for $15/copy (legally through school), i want to change the key

this guide (http://www.w7forums.com/change-windows-7-product-key-t1244.html) doesn't work because the "Change product key" link doesn't show up on either of my computers (one of which is running the copy i found in the park and the other is home premium that came on my laptop)...i'm assuming it's because they're OEM copies, not retail

[Edited on May 17, 2010 at 11:37 AM. Reason : i suppose i could put in the disc and see if it lets me "upgrade"]

5/17/2010 11:28:02 AM

clean reinstall. There's no telling if you have a clean copy (assuming that copy you found in the park also had WPA timebombing on it)

5/17/2010 3:32:21 PM

hmmm...well, i've been using it for over a year and it hasn't caused any problems...i specifically refused to install the wpa hotfix a few months ago and all of my updates still come in just fine

so if that's my only option, i guess i'll just keep using it until i either want or need to reformat...since i have a non-park copy, i can continue using it in good conscious

5/17/2010 4:36:13 PM

Yep, I would stick with what you have until you have a reason to change.

The whole key-swap thing is a bitch. I have to do it every now and then at work because of the VLK stuff we use here.

5/17/2010 6:11:53 PM

any ideas why there's like a 3 minute delay (and by delay i mean explore freezes) EVERY time i try to move a file, change the name of a file, create a folder or rename a folder? doesnt matter how i do it.. cut, copy, paste, etc.

i mean, the actual action i'm after happens instantly (because i can open the folder in another explorer window and it shows up fine) but when i hit enter on whatever change, that window basically locks up for 2-3 minutes for no apparent reason.

at first i thought it was my hd about to go out or something, but found out today at work that it does it on everything on every server here too. i had this problem once before and just reinstall windows and it fixed it for a few months bbbbut it's back.

edit: k after googling it looks like it's common as fuck. fuck you microsoft.

[Edited on May 24, 2010 at 3:44 PM. Reason : asdf]

5/24/2010 3:39:28 PM

It can't be *that* common. Anyone else here have this issue? Home PC, work PC, several VMs, none of which exhibit this issue.

5/24/2010 3:56:36 PM

my googling expertise estimates at least 1 million ppl have this issue

5/24/2010 4:03:26 PM

yea i've never seen that

5/24/2010 4:04:02 PM

It's because you touch yourself. MS knows.

5/24/2010 4:08:24 PM

well

Quote :

"The fix is to cut and paste the folder c:\docs and settings\"profile name"\local settings\application data\microsoft\windows" to another location. Log back in and problem will be resolved. "

using this actually worked..obviously updated to work with how windows 7 arranges these folders seems to have worked for now. will report back later.

http://www.techspot.com/vb/topic48091.html

[Edited on May 24, 2010 at 4:16 PM. Reason : OMG I CAN MOVE FILES AND SHIT NOW!!1!]

5/24/2010 4:15:31 PM

hasn't happened to me

5/24/2010 4:16:08 PM

no one asked you

5/24/2010 4:17:04 PM

well, you did ask an open question...

5/24/2010 4:20:03 PM

^^ I asked him.

5/25/2010 1:43:59 PM

look bitch

5/25/2010 3:55:00 PM