Quote :

"Also the change so that you can't hold down a button to make units is the worst part of the patch."

Haha suckers - all the zergs are whining about this hardcore. I never knew you could do that so I'm 100% used to just button mashing and do it effectively.

12/4/2010 6:10:49 PM

i don't like it because it makes it harder to plant gosu forcefields. i shift queue my unit making but shiftqueueing forcefields doesn't work as well

12/4/2010 10:27:54 PM

Haha so I just drone rushed some terran on Delta - he managed to fend it off and ended with like 5 scvs vs my 3 that were mining back at home. At this point he also had a rax half done and two depots, i.e. I was fucked. I managed to morph 2 banelings just as his marines walked in and using my drones/banelings killed them all off, we repeated for a few cycles before he finally just tried to mass up marauders. At this point I took my rear xpo, nydused to the high ground at his rear expo and put up a few spine crawlers so he couldn't take the expand for a while. I also burrowed a ling at every other expand just to piss him off. I ended up massing mutas and did some major damage while I took 2 more bases, but he made a shit ton of marines and fended off the mutas. So I burrowed banelings all along the path to my main and waited... It was hilarious. He had about 140 food worth of pure marines marching to my base, I had about 20 banelings burrowed at the ramps along the way. I blew up pretty much every marine, it was a trade of like 1200 resources from me for 7500 for him. Hilarity.

12/5/2010 8:09:50 AM

Playing in a tournament again tonight.

I've made it to the 3rd round so far. Waiting to play winner of other game that is going on. So far got here by beating players w/ speed lings lol.

12/5/2010 8:41:30 PM

lol zerg is op

playing wwayyy too much dota. 14-0-4 as ghost.

12/5/2010 10:04:41 PM

GSL spoilers...














First non zerg champion

12/6/2010 8:14:25 AM

As much as the protoss player in me wants to support IrOn or HongUn or Choya, I'm hoping Jinro wins.

12/6/2010 1:49:45 PM

a lot less interesting with no zerg players left, but pulling for jinro just to see the foreign guy.

Apparently they are rolling back some of the patch changes, including the button spam and infestor nerf.

Glad to see that, although phoenix will be a super pain still.

12/7/2010 7:23:21 PM

Yeah I'm glad they are fixing the infestor thing, and now that they are banning it I started using the holding down buttons more... so I guess its good to get used to haha. It was a pain to morph 40 banelings by mashing buttons real fast.

If any terran is to be the first GSL winner I would want it to be Jinro. He has played exceptionally well, I really haven't watched too many GSL games this season but I've watched some of his and he really is freaking good and such a different style from the other terrans. Also no mirror matchups in the ro4 is pretty cool, though they are both the exact same matchup.

12/7/2010 8:27:05 PM

Just had the weirdest game..

ZvP on Met with vertical spawn positions. I go fast expand and scout him and he has no units but I see a core and 2 gas so was thinking voids. I scout w/ a few lings and get into his base and see it is a 4 gate. I start to pump lings and he attacks. I had some spines and a few lings but ran some lings into his base I had hidden and go after his probes.

Basically hold off his attack and send another batch of lings into his base to finish him and he goes to me, "i hate BM... I pity you bro."

I wasn't even sure how to respond to that. I guess it is BM to not let him win? Not sure what I was suppose to do...

12/10/2010 12:34:19 AM

Did anyone else catch the "leaked" final storyboard video from Heart of the Swarm this week?

12/10/2010 7:19:07 AM

^^People are stupid.

12/10/2010 8:49:48 AM

Every so often when I play ZvZ, if I think there's a chance of it working, I generally throw down a spine in their main. It rarely works, but it throws off the economy for a minute or two, but generally it's killed before the crawler ever pops.

Yesterday it didn't get killed. Snuck it right next to spawning pool and it proceeded to single handedly take out his entire base. Considering it's pretty cheesy, I was expecting the guy to bitch up a storm, but he was actually pretty cool about the whole thing talking about how it wasn't cheese and he should've seen it.

All this to say: I guess not everyone is unreasonable on bnet!

12/10/2010 9:00:20 AM

yeah offensive spines are fun. I like to do that on smaller maps w/ creep spread and then moving them out.

Got a decision to make now. I got my computer back today from the repair place and they couldn't fix it. They figured it was a processor/mother board issue but because of the type of mother board it was going to be hard to track down and expensive and they couldn't be 100% that was the problem.

So now my options are :
1 - Try to still get it fixed, but don't really know the problem and it wouldn't be cheap.

2 - Try to use what we know works from the computer(graphic card, hard drives, memory) and then build a new computer using those items + other materials.

3 - Sell the broken computer, buy a new one. Guy thought I could probably get $200 selling the comp as is even broken with what does work in it.

Not sure what I'll do. Going to think on it tonight and make a decision tomorrow. Leaning toward just buying a new one.

12/10/2010 5:43:16 PM

buy a new one.

12/10/2010 5:53:34 PM

haha you just want me to buy a new one so I quit lagging bad in games and costing us wins.


There are a few on newegg for like 800ish.. just leaning toward one of those. Sucks, I really liked that last computer but I guess thats what you get w/ craigslist sometimes.

12/10/2010 6:01:52 PM

Just apply for one of those google chrome notebooks and if you win it try playing SC2 on the chrome OS. It might work better then what you are using now

On a real note - you need to start sharing unit control at the start and just focusing on macro while you get your PC fixed, it would probably make things a little easier Not necessarily just for unit control but so I can spread your creep as well haha.

12/10/2010 6:17:28 PM

I can't hardly even spread creep once the game starts lagging. I'm just being stubborn because I don't want to give control and just sit in the base making drones, makes me feel worthless.

I just can't believe it took 2 weeks to tell me "yeah we have no idea how to fix it." I have a feeling I'm going to have something new by the end of the weekend.

12/10/2010 6:27:22 PM

Well I'm not saying just sit in the base and be worthless but just avoid the little things like creep Not to mention in regards to creep its probably best if we both share control and whenever one of us sees it we do it. I still haven't worked the timings into my head for creep to do it on a regular basis.

12/10/2010 8:13:45 PM

Quote :

"haha you just want me to buy a new one so I quit lagging bad in games and costing us wins. There are a few on newegg for like 800ish.. just leaning toward one of those. Sucks, I really liked that last computer but I guess thats what you get w/ craigslist sometimes."

on that note go to best buy... right now

12/10/2010 9:00:48 PM

^Gave it enough time. Made a split decision after leaving work tonight.

Problem should be solved. Reinstalling game atm.

12/10/2010 9:05:42 PM

Yeah its unfortunate. I got really lucky with my pc off craigslist. It was like a 500$ or so PC that I got for like 200$, it was several years out dated at the time (4 years ago) but its still working great now.

12/10/2010 9:08:23 PM

http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=5766611&CatId=4928

New weapon of choice. Hopefully this one doesn't blow up.

12/10/2010 9:24:57 PM

Finally hit 500 wins. Gonna do about 130 more then I'll start the trek back up to diamond.

It is so fun pissing off silver league folks with a 6pool .

12/14/2010 8:08:59 PM

Yeah I've been on a decent ladder run lately, hit a bit of a slump but I'm almost up to 2100 points now.

I'm about 50% in the games I just play straight up, and about every other game or so I just do the sling build vs. toss and zergs especially if the map is good for it and win 90% of those. Seems to work well, keeps me from getting burned out on long games.

I've found that to be the tough thing w/ Zerg right now. Since there is no such thing as 1 base play basically when a game starts I have to be ready to play a 15 minute game where I have at least 2 bases. Do 2-3 of those in an hour and it can be draining. Winning with 24 speed lings 5 minutes into the game pisses people off about as much as a 6 pool. Just don't know how some of these pro zerg players play 30+ long ass games a day, I guess that is why they make a living doing it, I play 2 and am done.

12/15/2010 11:19:51 AM

So I started heading back up to diamond today. Won my first 10 and I'm already up against platinum players rofl. I'm still in silver though so these guys are raging hard when I win. I'm just trying to play consistently safe and work on my macro. I've gone 11 pool 18 hatch every game, just trying to keep minerals low and hit 200 food asap. Really finding that against T you don't need speed unless you see the factory and think hellions are coming. I'm delaying getting my gas until ~24-25 pretty often, it lets me get my econ realllly flowing.

12/16/2010 9:30:57 PM

So now I get to go through the "I'm never gonna get promoted" mess again Currently the #21 silver player in the world rofl.

It seems the way it works is as long as you don't lose you have 0 chance of getting promoted. Just as when I dropped to bronze while on a 50 game losing streak - it wasn't till I won a game that i got demoted. I'm currently playing gold/plat players so I won't be losing any time soon, gonna see how high I can get in silver before I lose a game and get promoted

[Edited on December 17, 2010 at 6:31 AM. Reason : a]

12/17/2010 6:31:02 AM

They have those like "Gold level or below" tournaments they run.

You should enter all of those and clean house.


Just had a great win. Playing on Shakuras against a toss, I open 14 pool/16 hatch which is my new standard vs. toss. Unfortunately I was late getting my drone down the ramp and he pylon blocks and cannons me. I had my scout out already and see he is fast expanding behind it.

So instead of doing the typical and trying to bust out and expand, we were horizontal positions so I just drop the 2nd hatch in base, drone up and saturate the main and go speedling/roach off one base. Knock down the back doors and get into his base right when a few void rays pop for him. I manage to kill all his probes and a lot of his base before his 2 void rays can take everything out. He tries to attack but I had made 4 queens and had hydras coming out stop his 3 void rays fairly easily.

He just goes "fuck you." I'm like, you were the one who pylon/cannoned my choke, doesn't get any lamer than that especially since they are changing it next patch. So I didn't say anything but the game I messaged him and just said, "fucking noob" and blocked communication. I normally don't say anything but I figured a guy like that ... had to be so pissed off from it.

[Edited on December 17, 2010 at 8:28 AM. Reason : .]

12/17/2010 8:07:21 AM

Quote :

"I'm like, you were the one who pylon/cannoned my choke, doesn't get any lamer than that especially since they are changing it next patch. "

What?

12/17/2010 8:49:11 AM

They are making it so you can't block chokes w/ 2 buildings anymore with the upcoming patch.

So no more 2 pylon/cannon play from protoss(unless they change it) to block zergs ramp off. Also means terran won't be able to block their own choke w/ 2 buildings.

If that is what you were asking..

12/17/2010 9:05:51 AM

Ah, ok -- that makes sense.

12/17/2010 9:56:04 AM

I don't like that change. I don't know why they're doing it. Pylon blocked cannon rushes were balanced IMO because that's a BIG mineral investment early in the game for the toss.

12/17/2010 11:31:17 AM

Its at worse like a 450 mineral investment. During that time the zerg is forced to 1 base, tech to banelings/roach or lay out creep for a spine. Laying out creep means a 2nd queen or skipping an inject. Meanwhile the toss is safe and can tech/expand. Also the toss will automatically know if the zerg is 1 basing if they havent made an attempt to break the wall. It is stupid and a huge disadvantage for the zerg.

At least now its more equal, if you block with a forge and two pylons you risk the forge, or 3 pylons is a big investment that can leave you capped.

And yeah I should enter a silver only tourney, i bet there are other lamers like me tho who will be good

12/17/2010 12:39:03 PM

Yeah for the damage it does the cost really is minimal, 350 and you don't have to worry about making any early zealots for defense so that saves 100 right there.

I think what they are doing is making the chokes on the bottom 1 square wider.. but I'm not sure if that is how the change happened. If so will be interesting if that changes how many units you can push up a choke as well to do damage.

12/17/2010 7:44:05 PM

just the 200 for the pylons means you're cutting probes and/or delaying something. you add a cannon and there's 500 you aren't spending on gateways, probes or the expo. sure, if you had the money you could get a way with an early expo, but typically you're rather broke.

12/18/2010 4:41:41 PM

Well keep in mind the pylons can be used until the zerg is able to take them down. So you actually almost get a "supply loan" for the time being, so you are able to get your expand up and it doesn't really cost you anything for those 2 pylons until you have to remake them and at that point you'll have good money flow. Get a forge instead of gateway so that is an even swap.

As for the 150 on the cannon, if you choose to take it out w/ roaches you should be able to do it w/out losing a roach but if you screw up your micro it can take out a roach if not 2. So if it does take out a roach then the whole thing has cost you 75 minerals.

12/18/2010 5:23:07 PM

However it delays warpgate tech and the forge is almost useless for protoss before mid game unless you have some awesome +1 timing push. If you don't get the pylon block perfect for whatever reason, a lot of times you have already lost. Getting it done perfectly also a lot of times doesn't give you much of an advantage thanks to the large economic hole it puts you in. If I remember right the guys on state of game didn't think this part of the patch was necessary because its usually so not worth it that it balances itself

12/18/2010 6:23:50 PM

I mean it all depends. If you do it against a zerg who has seen it many times before then hes going to be able to react to it fine and probably come out even. However against a zerg who hasn't seen it as much it might take him longer to figure it out and it definitely will put you ahead. Especially against a zerg who was going 14/15 hatch and didn't even have his pool started when you blocked him in.

And as to the forge not being useful till midgame - the forge is just as useless as having a 2nd warpgate at this point in time as you don't need to be producing units, so its really not that big of a deal. Its 150 minerals that you would've spent later anyways, and the block will help get you to the midgame safer.

Again it all depends on the zerg - if the zerg is going 11 pool/18 hatch like I typically do then I love when the toss does this crap, its easy for me to fend off since I always make 2 queens quickly and it tells me the protoss isn't 2/4 gating quickly, which is great for me.

Personally I think the better solution is just playing standard but if you scout the zerg is going hatch first then throw down a pylon at his nat, that is an even bigger delay for him at minimal cost to you.

12/19/2010 11:48:52 AM

A good example, played a game yesterday just a custom and I got protoss against a 1600 point zerg. I suck w/ toss, but I opened up with a pylon/cannon block of his choke which I got down. I even messed it up a bit and had to have the cannon w/ the pylons to complete the wall.

I then expanded right away, and started to macro. He ended up using a nydus to get out and took out my main, but I saved all my probes. At this point he takes out my main, but we are still 1 base to 1 base and I'm ahead in probes because of the double chrono nexus. I manage to get void rays/phoenix and ground army, and start pumping, and end up winning because his expand was so late.

So I played horrible, had my main taken out, have no real build order as protoss for this play since I don't play it, and still ended up dominating him. The guy actually played a pretty good game all around, but without that early expand I was just to far ahead the rest of the game. And if he chose to bust out instead of Nydus I'd have still won probably even easier being on 2 bases for so long.

12/19/2010 4:32:12 PM

A Zerg that can't expand is a dead Zerg.

12/19/2010 7:37:29 PM

The issue isnt that you cant expand, its that you cant push with slings to harass and that the protoss knows you are one basing. I've stomped protoss with a 1 base roach timing push when they expected me to expand but thats the main problem- they are safe and know what you are doing.

12/19/2010 8:23:01 PM

^^if he tries to play "standard" yes, but you just have to know how to react to it.

a toss that plays completely standard will lose to a 6 pool everytime if he doesn't have huk gosu probe micro. you'll never see blizzard nerf that though, because like any other all-in, you just have to know how to react to it if you wanna win, otherwise you're hoping for a lucky coin flip build

12/19/2010 8:35:26 PM

You're just mad cause your our resident toss player and don't want to see the nerf.

12/19/2010 8:44:45 PM

haha i don't even use that strat. my PvZ right now is the 38 probe 6 gate and an experimental dt/phoenix/zealot play.

12/19/2010 8:49:32 PM

Just played a terran who battlecruiser rushed me, it was pretty LOL. Especially considering it was scrap station and when I saw the battlecruiser I had no evo chamber and just two queens. Somehow managed to delay him enough with the queens to get some spore crawlers up, then from there he was screwed.

12/20/2010 9:45:23 AM

Did he blame it on day9?

12/20/2010 12:00:07 PM

Woo, 1v1 silver I am World #8 and USA #5.

I hope they never promote me.

Also titans78 and I got our 100th 2v2 win tonight and we are really close to breaking top 1000 2v2 teams in the US, woot. Maybe we can get in the grandmaster league for 2v2 haha.

12/21/2010 2:25:23 AM

haha i need to get back to playing

12/21/2010 2:53:31 AM

Finally got home from break last night, played a few games this morning and went 5-0 vs some plat/diamond people. Still having a ton of fun messing around with bling drops. Went sling/bling/muta vs a toss in my last game. He went two base robo/gateway. When he finally pushed with like 20 stalkers, 5 colossi, 4 immortals I rained about 30 blings on top of his army and just decimated it. The rest of my slings and the mutas cleaned up the rest. I need to get my APM up so I can work overlord drops into my play more, doing drops on mineral lines, etc.

12/28/2010 9:45:46 AM

i played for the first time in a couple weeks yesterday (working and women killing my videogaming)

god i am terrible right now. need to get back in the swing of things

12/29/2010 2:32:06 AM