^ Go ahead and say it. You think she's an uppity negro.

9/13/2024 11:45:12 AM

Kamala seems so self-righteous....and Trump doesn't??? LOL

I think part of it is generally we (especially men) are so unfamiliar with women in leadership positions that when we do see it we subconsciously associate the experience to the annoying mom/aunt/teacher/boss/karen that we've encountered in the past.

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9/13/2024 12:36:37 PM

I felt like I was falling in love watching that debate, TBH. Very gratifying to finally see such an oratorical smackdown.

emnsk, look who you're comparing her against. She rightly looks great by comparison. Self-righteous? How about just right / correct?

9/13/2024 12:52:32 PM

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"Kamala seems so self-righteous....and Trump doesn't??? LOL"

I never said Trump doesn't. I think he's gone demented (which is what I said), and is wildly egoistic. It's funny when you think of him as just being a personality, not president.

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"I think part of it is generally we (especially men) are so unfamiliar with women in leadership positions that when we do see it we subconsciously associate the experience to the annoying mom/aunt/teacher/boss/karen that we've encountered in the past."

Yeah, I actually commented on this quite a while ago when the whole Biden debate happened and we were discussing whether Kamala should replace him. I said that I'm self aware of that, and think her being president (besides the obvious reasons she should be), will be good as it'll normalize it and change the game for women in the future.

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"^ Go ahead and say it. You think she's an uppity negro."

I don't blame you for saying something this wrong and stupid, cause there definitely are a lot of people out there who do think this way.

I don't know where you all were a year ago or even a few months ago, but it was common for people to think of her as kind of inauthentic or not think much of her, right or wrong, it's what people thought. Her podcast and late night TV appearances, shrugging off serious things as jokes. Now, maybe we put more of a focus on her cause she's a woman, but that's another discussion. Would you say that people think Hillary is an uppity negro?

Just look the comments on this article from 2019:
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/11/29/us/politics/kamala-harris-2020.html#commentsContainer

As I also said in the other post, some of the stuff you hear about her being a prosecutor makes her seem distasteful, but city politics in general is kind of dark and forces things which don't necessarily reflect on who you actually are. AOC is way more out there making a statement than Harris is, but she doesn't sound coy. But people are a product of their times and that's alright. And of course given how normalized Trump's BS is, he gets some sort of a pass in our collective heads, you see it in the media not covering him 24/7 at this point, basically.

I think a lot of politics is earning the 'benefit of the doubt'. Everyone has these little fissures, some more, some less, but depending on how important you are, you are either given it or targeted for them. Now who's to say who deserves it, but Kamala didn't have that, and now she does, along with the weight of the candidacy.

This is her moment, and for the next 4 years (fingers crossed), we'll get to see her shine, outside of Biden's or anyone else's shadow, and I hope she comes into her own and seizes the moment. Walz seems to support her in that, which is good.

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"I felt like I was falling in love watching that debate, TBH. Very gratifying to finally see such an oratorical smackdown."

Kamala did good in parts (abortion, policy section at the end), but I honestly think Trump did himself in here. The age and general brain rot clearly showed. He was doing good, maybe winning, until immigration, which should've been his strongest, and he took the bait.

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9/13/2024 3:34:28 PM

Yeah... no, I'm not reading all of that shit.

Judging from that long, drawn-out response, emnsk definitely thinks Kamala Harris is an uppity negro. Just say what you really mean, bruh.

9/14/2024 5:25:43 AM

70% of that isn't even replying to you lmao, and the "drawn out" part is defending the parts of Kamala's past and ambitious politics she gets criticized for

Guess if you just wanna be an asshole you're gonna be one

[Edited on September 14, 2024 at 2:11 PM. Reason : 1]

9/14/2024 2:07:44 PM

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"He was doing good, maybe winning, until immigration, which should've been his strongest, and he took the bait."

lol ok

9/14/2024 3:38:38 PM

Objectively, if we look at the debate in isolation, he wasn't going good or winning at any point starting with the opening handshake.

9/14/2024 4:36:55 PM

Yeah, but post handshake he was doing pretty good, until he literally said anything.

9/14/2024 7:12:09 PM

OK, that checks out.

9/14/2024 7:19:40 PM

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"He was doing good, maybe winning, until immigration, which should've been his strongest, and he took the bait."

What part of killing a bipartisan border deal that was embraced by the border patrol, for purely political reasons, obviously not caring at all about the actual issue, but only the optics, would have made immigration his strongest point?

9/14/2024 7:46:07 PM

James Lankford is a RINO!

9/14/2024 8:15:15 PM

I've been called worse.

9/14/2024 11:17:27 PM

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"Objectively, if we look at the debate in isolation, he wasn't going good or winning at any point starting with the opening handshake."

Objectively, sure, but Trump has objectively been the dumb guy since 2016, what's the value of that

9/15/2024 5:25:45 AM

I'm disagreeing with your assertion that he was "doing well" at any point during the debate.

Also, EMCE is not an asshole despite the distaste he expressed for your post.

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9/15/2024 9:32:26 AM

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"Where do you get your info? Because it seems like the vast-majority of trump supporters get their info from random hacks and grifters on social media and blatantly biased "news" outlets like Fox and NewsMax. While most "mainstream media" has some issues, they seem miles ahead of the places lots of the "right" get their "info"."

I 100% don't do the right wing grifter internet pundit thing. I won't watch someone like Charlie Kirk, or other people in that genre where they go debate policy with 19 year old college students and make them look bad. I got into a phase for a while where I started watching left wing guys who seemed intellectually honest enough to where you couldn't guess their take on a topic ahead of time. I actually used to really enjoy watching Destiny on YouTube because he presented his opinions without using whatever focus group approved talking points that DNC affiliated people coalesce around ("JD Vance is WEIRD", "Harris/Walz is about joy", etc). But I stopped after Trump got shot in the ear and Destiny said that the fireman who was killed in front of his family deserved to die, and so does anyone else who would go listen to the guy.

Anyway, as for news sources, I mainly read and watch a lot of the mainstream news, but whenever it's available, I always go find transcripts of hearings or full recordings of interviews or read full filings from the courts, ESPECIALLY when the article appears to be fucking with quotes or leaving words or context out. That gives me a pretty decent idea of what actually happened. I will also occasionally watch one program on Fox and one program on MSNBC just to see how the extremes report the same things, but it's very rare that I watch cable news aside from that.

The main thing is that you just can't trust any outlet to be totally honest to you, especially once youve seen them coordinate, and I think you have to verify stuff that they say.

It is also important to respect people who feel differently than you, even if you genuinely feel that their candidate will destroy the country. As long as they do more than parrot someone else's points and actually research, (a good example is people who still claim 7 Years later that Trump didn't explicitly disavow white supremacists in Charlottesville because cable news cut a sentence out of his reply and claim he called them fine people. All it takes is one watch to stop making yourself look dumb.) I have no Ill will for any Harris voter, and am friends with plenty of people who are planning to, and my friends are fine with me looking at Trump.

And I seriously think that's cause we all know deep down that neither of them is going to ruin the country, because neither of them is gonna be running shit if they win.

9/15/2024 1:36:07 PM

Explicitly, given the current binary choice, what is it that you find more appealing about Trump?

I feel like a lot of people say they already know how he's going to govern because of his first term. But he learned a lot about what didn't work for him during his first term, and the criticality of appointing sycophant loyalists to avoid disruptions of his worst impulses. Further, if re-elected, there would no longer be ANY pressure to play nice with anyone to conceivably support another election bid (because of term limits), so the guardrails will be fully off. Congress and the courts have proven spectacularly unwilling or incapable of checking him, so don't pretend like he's not going to break a bunch of shit and abuse power at every turn. This is the person who represents your views and what you want to vote for? You can say they both suck and whatever, but you still appear to be leaning toward Trump. Why?

I don't actually want to put words in your mouth, but I'd appreciate some insight to your thought process.

9/15/2024 2:08:14 PM

^ I don't want to put words in his mouth either, but I think his last paragraph speaks for itself in answering your question. "Neither of them 'will run anything anyway', so how does it matter, pick the one that is more disruptive or on whatever economic policy you may have or whatever"
The objective evidence doesn't matter cause the feeling inside is that this is all a smokescreen, to some

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"I 100% don't do the right wing grifter internet pundit thing. I won't watch someone like Charlie Kirk, or other people in that genre where they go debate policy with 19 year old college students and make them look bad."

I saw that come up on my recommended even after I removed it. I refuse to even click on it, I can't do that to myself.

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9/15/2024 5:13:07 PM

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"And I seriously think that's cause we all know deep down that neither of them is going to ruin the country, because neither of them is gonna be running shit if they win."

Yeah, well we don't all think that. You don't believe a President with a personal vendetta and mostly unchecked power is going to be capable of fucking up some shit? It's self-evident. I'm sorry, but both-sidesing it isn't a logically compelling argument for voting for Trump. Just be honest.

9/15/2024 5:51:19 PM

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"And I seriously think that's cause we all know deep down that neither of them is going to ruin the country, because neither of them is gonna be running shit if they win."

I seriously do think one of them is going to ruin the country

9/15/2024 7:52:54 PM

If the president won't be running the country, then who will? Obama or.....??

9/16/2024 9:10:29 AM

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9/20/2024 10:06:20 AM

https://rncplatform.donaldjtrump.com/?_gl=1*16hblfb*_gcl_au*MTgzNzI5MzY0Ni4xNzI2ODQ2ODUz&_ga=2.77357660.812537769.1726846853-860227723.1726846853

That's it. That's Donald Trump's platform, from his website. At least it is more coherent than his normal word salad...


So Trump supporters, what specifically do you support from his platform? And why do you think Donald Trump is the best person to bring about these changes. And if you honestly believe in this platform, please explain why so much of Trump's campaign is focused on division, personal grievances, and misinformation.




Because honestly, much of that platform seems to be thinly veiled racism against immigrants. Or attempts to nationalize a "patriotic" curriculum for kids. Or trying to protect old and outdated institutions that have made Trump and his friends rich. Or populist ideas, which quite honestly, run contrary to Trump's demonstrated record.

[Edited on September 20, 2024 at 11:55 AM. Reason : whores]

9/20/2024 11:53:32 AM

Trump is going to have to disavow himself from this guy.

Either that or he doubles down on the “It was AI generated” excuse.

9/20/2024 12:01:55 PM

But it clearly wasn't. Anyone with a basic understanding of computers and internets can see that.

9/20/2024 1:25:56 PM

IDK AI is always generating decades old message board posts claim to be me.

9/20/2024 2:18:38 PM

And then also covertly inserting them into an Internet Archive made more than a decade ago.

9/20/2024 3:17:11 PM

Yeah all AI is explicitly out to get me specifically

[Edited on September 20, 2024 at 3:46 PM. Reason : Sometimes it edits my tww posts and inserts grammatical errors]

9/20/2024 3:45:55 PM