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"We never looked at ANY lower college level coaches like Marshall, McKillop, Altman, or any of them. That was the problem. In our search our dumbass AD shot for the big names and once they said no he gave the job to the damn guy consulting him for it. Lowe: What about me? Ill give it a shot. Fowler: Okay, when can you start? "

The problem is we have an extremely retarded fan base with a deluded and warped sense of reality.

Many were convinced that the big names in college basketball would come knocking on our door ready to take the job. If Fowler went after a mid major coach, the retards would have been in an uproar that we didn't go after Barnes, Calipari, etc. You're damned if you do and damned if you don't.

I really don't care whether Lee Fowler stays or goes. He's not the one coaching this horrible basketball team.

Let's see how long the Sidney Lowe experiment continues. I'm eager to see what the next tagline is going to be after the "we don't have a PG", "Herb's players suck", "he doesn't have his type of players" excuses dry out.

If he severely underachieved with the current talent we have, I'm not convinced he can win us a title with 5 McD's on the court. A good coach is able to get the most out of the talent level he has.

3/14/2008 8:50:52 AM

You forgot "He's still learning the college game.". His supporters could keep throwing that one out for the next decade honestly.

3/14/2008 8:57:27 AM

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"The problem is we have an extremely retarded fan base with a deluded and warped sense of reality. "

DING DING DING

3/14/2008 9:10:47 AM

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""The problem is we have an extremely retarded fan base with a deluded and warped sense of reality. ""

3/14/2008 9:19:35 AM

Im all for one more year, see if he can turn it around.....but......this year was a freaking embarrassment. I have no delusions about us going toe to toe with the big boys consistently, but getting to the tourney each year and being competitive in the ACC isnt too much to ask

3/14/2008 11:09:15 PM

god i hope you weren't a herb hater

3/14/2008 11:20:50 PM

“I didn’t start him because he broke a team rule and he understood that. That is part of being a team and having rules,” Lowe said. “He didn’t do it intentionally, but he did it. You just have to deal with that.”


at least tell us what he did wrong. damn. it sounds like you're covering your ass.

here's one easy bit of advice lowe... (too late now) have running practices where you run sprints and fast plays. run their asses off until they look like they are about to faint.

and then make them sit on the court for an hour and do nothing but shoot and shoot and shoot to improve their accuracy

3 pointers/free throws (for the shooters)

free throws/ short jumpers (for the larger forwards/centers non shooters)


or at least watch some of your recruits play and shoot before putting them on the team...

b/c javi/johnson suck at shooting, and your already good shooters got fucking pathetic as the year went on.

3/16/2008 1:21:23 AM

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"at least tell us what he did wrong. damn. it sounds like you're covering your ass."

Damn, he sounds just like every coach ever!

As for the rest of your post, I don't think you can suggest what should be done at practice unless you've actually been to practice.

3/16/2008 1:26:18 AM

isn't it evident though?

3/16/2008 1:29:43 AM

YOU KNOW WHAT THEY SAY ABOUT ASSUMING

3/16/2008 1:30:33 AM

what am i assuming?

regardless, the shooting continued getting worse up until and including our last game.

it's factual that he hasn't encouraged better shooting throughout the year.

3/16/2008 1:32:12 AM

You're assuming what does and doesn't happen at practice.

And no, the shooting did not continue to get worse, nor was it the primary reason we sucked so much dick. I think we were 6th or 7th in the conference in shooting percentage.

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"it's factual that he hasn't encouraged better shooting throughout the year."

And evidence to that effect?

[Edited on March 16, 2008 at 1:38 AM. Reason : ]

3/16/2008 1:35:16 AM

no, i never said it was the primary reason we suck
and no, i never assumed he doesn't teach shooting at practice

however, it is blatantly obvious that he didn't spend enough time helping each player improve their shot. costner? much worse than last year shooting. fells, the same. grant, probably worse as well, mccauley.. yep, got worse, javi gonzalez? haha i mean it's hard to not improve from where he started, and hell even johnson showed no improvement and could barely get a point a game. ferguson? he finally got some PT which helped him improve, still, can't make a layup...

so you really think lowe is pushing better shooting enough? then plz, feel free to compliment them on it.

3/16/2008 1:44:17 AM

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"packboozie All American 9067 Posts user info edit post ^^$20 on Kentucky making the tourney? LOL They have played the #9 schedule and are playing awesome down the stretch. Remember its more of a what have you done for me lately deal. They should beat SC and UF and lock it up. The point is they have improved drastically in short time. 3/7/2008 1:45:12 AM Walter All American 1773 Posts user info edit post i'll bet you 20 wolfweb dollars 3/7/2008 2:27:38 AM"

Someone owes me $20. But Gillespie sucks right? He turned a team that lost to Gardner-Webb into a top team in the SEC.

3/17/2008 2:13:53 AM

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but its funny

3/17/2008 10:55:55 AM

3/17/2008 12:31:57 PM

lawl. I swear he needs to burn that fucking joke of a jacket

3/17/2008 1:31:37 PM

but but IT BEAT CAROLINA!!!!

3/17/2008 2:21:04 PM

eeyeahh maybe we should have thought twice about gloating so much after the carolina win miracle

3/17/2008 2:46:53 PM

Maybe y'all should go to the Crabtree Valley Food Court tonight for The Sidney Lowe Show and ask him all your burning questions.

3/17/2008 3:16:27 PM

dang i forgot to listen. saw this over on statefans though.

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" More from Sidney’s show: Farnold was denied a redshirt (probably old news, apologies if so) … but they are still trying to get him an extra year on a medical hardship A caller asked about Brandon’s performance this past season; Sidney’s response: “Teams paid way more attention to him … He may have gotten worn down mentally throughout the season … For next season, 1st thing Brandon has to get into great shape - drop a few pounds … Work on his shot and get it back to form … Rediscover his strengths … he has so many of them” “Conditioning / strength starts NEXT WEEK” … (if I heard that correctly) “The ‘83 team got better during the (previous) summer … we worked out and played every day … that’s why our guys are starting back to work next week” "

at least i like the sound of that.

3/17/2008 10:36:52 PM

Pre-Lowe: NCAA tourney appearances.
Lowe Year One: Good NIT showing.
Lowe Year Two: We didn't even make it into the CBI.

So what should Lowe shoot for next year if he wants to keep his job? Bare minimum... Another good NIT showing and a winning record? Any sign of improvement at all?

What are our standards with this coach, NCSU fanbase?

3/19/2008 12:20:39 AM

Well, he's "proved" he can take a team to the ACC championship game, place 10th in conference, and make a solid run in the NIT. But with a supposed more talented group of guys he's at the bottom of the conference, run out of the gym in the ACC Tourney, and no postseason. Since this team hasn't really proved to me they can do anything, I would guess around 8th in conference and a couple wins in the NIT would be improvement on this year. Goal is always to get to the NCAA's though, but I doubt it's possible with these guys right now.

We're not even in the postseason, but College Gameday can still bitch about how Villanova was robbed by the refs in the Old Spice Tourney game against us.

[Edited on March 19, 2008 at 12:34 AM. Reason : a]

3/19/2008 12:29:28 AM

http://wral.com/sports/999thefan/audio/2597168/

For those screaming for Lowe's head, listen to the audio in that link and stfu. If you still want him fired, then your mental issues are greater than anyone on this board can help you with.

3/20/2008 5:18:41 AM

^ lawl, if you still want him fired after listening to that? everything he said has been discussed extensively, especially here.

i'm not calling for lowe's head, but that interview brought nothing new to the table.

3/20/2008 6:08:58 AM

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"Maybe y'all should go to the Crabtree Valley Food Court tonight for The Sidney Lowe Show and ask him all your burning questions."

thread winner

gg

3/20/2008 8:27:27 AM

Say we do can Lowe this year or after next. Who are the best candidates we actually have a shot at? And by that, I don't mean guys the likes of Calipari, Calhoun, or Barnes. People that will actually come here and not just people we want to come here.

3/21/2008 4:48:11 PM

SEAN MILLER

3/21/2008 4:48:57 PM

yup.

3/21/2008 4:51:12 PM

BOB MCKILLOP.....the man could bring Curry with him for two years.

3/21/2008 5:32:34 PM

I was browsing a wiki last night and I noticed something very interesting.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NC_State_Wolfpack_men%27s_basketball

There a number of similarities between Sidney Lowe's first two seasons as head basketball coach, and those of Les Robinson. For starters, both coaches had a decent season their first year. Robinson was riding on the success of Valvano while Lowe had a decent team left over from Sendek. Then both teams had a terrible second season with a losing record and both were near the bottom of the acc. Both coaches were also former students of state and affilliated with the basketball team. Robinson continued the rest of his career as coach near the bottom of the acc with a losing record every year until he resigned as head coach.

I know all of this is complete speculation, but I'm hoping the similarities end after the first two seasons.

3/22/2008 1:31:11 PM

lowes first two seasons have been closer to sendeks first two seasons rather than robinsons

both had crappy first seasons finishing in the bottom third of the conference. the year was salvaged by wins over carolina durting the season and duke in the acc tournament only to lose to unc in the acc championship game, both made the nit tournament where they lost to wvu

the second season was viewed as a setback as neither made quite the steps they had their first season

3/22/2008 2:08:16 PM

I had another one of those..."so what happened to State this year...weren't ya'll suppose to be good??" conversations today.

I'm so fucking tired of having that conversation this year. I'm almost getting to the point where I reply with a "I don't really care"...because I've honestly almost gotten to that point. Even when we had Les I never felt like I was close to that. I still loved the players back then and it always seemed like they played hard. This year wasn't just disappointing from a results standpoint...it was disappointing as a program that seemed like it had come so far only to take a ginormous step back. We lost all respectability we had gained in the past 5 or 6 years. The team just seemed like it didn't care and I almost "hated" our players. I never thought I would feel like this.

What a horrible fucking year.

3/22/2008 2:12:49 PM

Lowe should go out and recruit Sean Miller for us and then promptly resign.

3/22/2008 6:38:46 PM

^ omg brilliant! i hadn't heard that yet, i don't think.

3/22/2008 6:49:19 PM

sean miller > herb

3/22/2008 6:55:24 PM

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"The ‘83 team got better during the (previous) summer … we worked out and played every day … that’s why our guys are starting back to work next week"

No better way to calm the masses by pointing out what worked twenty five years ago, but somehow no one was smart enough to do last year.

3/22/2008 8:38:22 PM

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"lowes first two seasons have been closer to sendeks first two seasons rather than robinsons"

false

while the records, performance in the acc tourney and postseason berth/performances in sendek's and lowe's first seasons were near identical, the personnel had no comparison. the players that sendek started with were on a far lower level than those with which lowe and robinson began.

as for the second season, while sendek made no great leaps forward, he certainly did not move backwards and even took a few tiny steps forward, winning more acc games than his previous year. in contrast, lowe made a great step backward by winning fewer acc games, finishing lower (LAST) in the conference, finishing below .500 overall and, as such, staying home in the postseason.

in reality, lowe's first two seaons were not all that comparable to either robinson or sendek, but if you look at the personnel, you have to say it trends closer to robinson than to sendek.

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"sean miller"

as for all the discussion of sean miller, i am not sure what leads anyone to believe that miller would have any interest in this job after the way our fans treated his old boss.

3/22/2008 9:17:04 PM

The problem is we have an extremely retarded fan base with a deluded and warped sense of reality.


Once more for good measure.

3/22/2008 9:19:22 PM

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"while the records, performance in the acc tourney and postseason berth/performances in sendek's and lowe's first seasons were near identical, the personnel had no comparison."

very well, i'll take 3/4.

3/22/2008 9:28:07 PM

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"Here's one easy bit of advice lowe... (too late now) have running practices where you run sprints and fast plays. run their asses off until they look like they are about to faint. and then make them sit on the court for an hour and do nothing but shoot and shoot and shoot to improve their accuracy 3 pointers/free throws (for the shooters) free throws/ short jumpers (for the larger forwards/centers non shooters) "

Normally it is not a good idea to practice shooting when you are very tired, creates bad habits in not holding true to a form that is reproducible game in and game out, then you end up with shooters who are either on or way off. That the different between great shooters and good shooters ( Hate to say it but the difference between say JJ Reddick and Fells)

But I will deff agree 100% with what your saying.

[Edited on March 22, 2008 at 9:55 PM. Reason : )]

3/22/2008 9:55:29 PM

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"The problem is we have an extremely retarded fan base with a deluded and warped sense of reality. Once more for good measure."

Just curious, the people that say this, were you all Herb supporters or haters?

3/22/2008 10:48:20 PM

Just curious, the people that say this, do you have functional IQs greater than 40? I'm sure you have broad knowledge of fanbases and didn't just pull something out of your ass .

3/22/2008 10:59:05 PM

I just want to know. There have been a hundred people posting in here saying we have the worst fanbase ever but it is probably just like any other D-1 school that isn't a UCLA, a Duke, or a UNC. And why are you constantly an asshole on here to everyone? I mean really. You don't know everything. Sorry.

3/22/2008 11:02:06 PM

geez, I wasn't even talking to you, quit your crying.

You seem to be confused because this is exactly my point: "it is probably just like any other D-1 school that isn't a UCLA, a Duke, or a UNC"

Also, you don't have to know everything to know when someone is making something up, chief. Maybe you don't have that post-elementary school ability.

3/22/2008 11:08:15 PM

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"it is probably just like any other D-1 school that isn't a UCLA, a Duke, or a UNC"

let us not forget matt doherty or steve lavin. ucla and unc were throwing fits.

3/22/2008 11:18:48 PM

^^OK.

It gets old people saying we have such a bad fanbase.....what are we supposed to do when our coach takes a team that finished 4th in the ACC and finishes 10th and then 11th be begging our AD for an extension? I just don't see how we are bad fans for expecting better.

3/22/2008 11:23:34 PM

Kentucky fans are WAY worse. I am certain some of those people would have murdered Tubby if given the opportunity.

3/23/2008 4:01:40 PM

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"while the records, performance in the acc tourney and postseason berth/performances in sendek's and lowe's first seasons were near identical, the personnel had no comparison."

so let me get this right, everything about this season is eerily similar to herbs first season except one thing and yet somehow they absolutely nothing alike

that totally makes sense!

3/23/2008 4:07:58 PM

oh i'm sorry i thought you clearly stated that you were comparing BOTH seasons

[Edited on March 23, 2008 at 4:33 PM. Reason : and i totally said they were nothing alike. totally.]

3/23/2008 4:32:24 PM