I don't know why you guys keep assuming that all your theories are so obvious... Because they're not...

And stop making up silly names for psuedo-Locke

5/15/2009 8:01:43 PM

what do you suggest we call the character who has no name and has been 'possessing' other people

Also i think Tom knew michael wouldn't die because the island still had work for him to do, same reason desmond didn't die when he was shot. Remember Tom was a high ranking other and was probably told everything that Michael would have to do from ben-from richard-from 'Jacob' who arguably could've been Man #2 in the cabin. Either way Jacob or Man #2 or the Island made it clear to the others who were in on michaels task that it would protect michael from death on or off the island.

5/15/2009 9:55:44 PM

So i just rewatched the intro and noticed something strange.

I think Jacob and the other guy are pals NOT enemies and jacob wants to die but for whatever reason Man #2 can't kill him. The thing that makes me thing this is that Man #2 says "One of these days we're going to find a loophole."

This is only reinforced by the fact that jacob says that he'll be waiting for Man #2 to find the loop hole, his lack of defense / getting ben to reason.

The only thing that doesn't make sense is his asking Illana to help him i'm struggling to make that work but i can't really figure out how that would work in this scenario.

Other cool Bible Connections, as gay as the bible is:
Ben was Jacob's son.
Ben's mother died during child birth.


The theory about cerebus only being able to animate people who were buried may be the deal behind why the truce included burying all the dead.

[Edited on May 15, 2009 at 11:11 PM. Reason : ]

5/15/2009 10:56:06 PM

I don't think Jacob had much of a problem dying. He essentially walks 20 feet to get in Ben's face, makes a pretty condescending remark, I'm pretty sure he expected that. Speaking of Ben, it's been kinda painful watching him turn into this weak little bitch all of a sudden. For the past 3 seasons, he's been in control of everything. Now, he's like Igor or something. After methodically killing more people in various badass ways (gunning down the guys in Tunisia, strangling Locke, etc), he looked like Clay Aiken trying to stab Jacob.

5/16/2009 7:13:38 AM

^ I don't know, I think it's pretty fitting.

He got by manipulating people practically his whole life to get his way, and it turns out he is the one being manipulated the entire time.

5/16/2009 2:18:28 PM

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"I think Jacob and the other guy are pals NOT enemies and jacob wants to die but for whatever reason Man #2 can't kill him. The thing that makes me thing this is that Man #2 says "One of these days we're going to find a loophole." "

Yeah maybe, but in the final scene, Jacob says, "I guess you found your loophole." Also, Jacob reminds Ben the he doesn't have to do what Esau/man#2/black-shirt says, he has the choice to go. I do think Jacob planned or wanted to die, but not selfishly, more like Jesus and/or OB1 style.

5/18/2009 8:45:03 AM

anyone think there is any significance in the "Lost" screen before the end credits being white now, instead of black? or do you think thats just supposed to go along with the "explosion"

5/18/2009 9:05:01 AM

yes

5/18/2009 9:08:27 AM

^^Yeah, i think that's already been discussed over the past few pages. The theory mentioned was that black = evil, white = good. Jacob was wearing a white shirt in the opening scene, while the other guy was wearing a black shirt. To this point, black shirt has been doing most of the manipulation of the characters and story, and the change is to signify a shift in that control/infuluence. I dunno, sounds reasonable, but we'll see. I'm not supporting or bashing the theory, just trying to give a $.10 synopsis.

[Edited on May 18, 2009 at 9:09 AM. Reason : ^]

5/18/2009 9:08:27 AM

^^^^i actually really like ben's transformation. i didn't particularly like his character before. i really like it now.

^explosion

5/18/2009 9:08:44 AM

some things that we dont know about now, but will surely learn about in the future

-whats the meaning of the tapestry/cloth that Jacob weaves

-is Lapidus a "candidate" for Jacob to take his body, like man#2 did to Locke

5/18/2009 9:11:09 AM

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"whats the meaning of the tapestry/cloth that Jacob weaves"

I don't know that the tapestry really "means" anything. I'm sure it's allusion to the interconnectivity of all the characters (and everyone in the world, really) and that Jacob had something to do with them all coming to the island (maybe he had something to do with everyone that has ever come to the island).

Or maybe it's a tangled web he weaves or something ~.

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"is Lapidus a "candidate" for Jacob to take his body, like man#2 did to Locke"

I think that's the obvious assumption, but who knows. The only time we'd seen Jacob (or I guess it was actually Man #2) his silhouette looked an awful lot like Lapidus.

5/18/2009 9:38:00 AM

it also looked liked christian.

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"only being able to animate people who were buried"

locke wasn't buried. other than that i liked what it was you had to say.

5/18/2009 10:10:27 AM

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"I don't know that the tapestry really "means" anything. I'm sure it's allusion to the interconnectivity of all the characters (and everyone in the world, really) and that Jacob had something to do with them all coming to the island (maybe he had something to do with everyone that has ever come to the island). Or maybe it's a tangled web he weaves or something ~."

That's possible. Personally I think they just put in the tapestry so they could show viewers the scene where Jacob is using very old technology to weave it, to further demostrate that he was on the island a very long time ago.

5/18/2009 10:11:51 AM

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"it also looked liked christian."

Not really

5/18/2009 10:16:55 AM

actually, yeah, he sort of does.

i don't know that many other people on the island who role around in a suit and white shoes.

5/18/2009 10:24:03 AM

I was specifically talking about the scene the picture I posted came from.

Of course we know Christian was in the cabin. Who's the shaggy Lapidus doppelganger, though? That was my point.

5/18/2009 10:28:18 AM

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"The only time we'd seen Jacob (or I guess it was actually Man #2) his silhouette looked an awful lot like Lapidus."

you made a comment about the only time. I pointed out not only lapidus and said that it, meaning the entity, has also looked like christian at some point and its impossible to verify which one is acting as 'jacob' or the man #2.

also i think that the person in your post looks much more strikingly like man #2 than lapidus.

5/18/2009 10:33:34 AM

I'm sorry that you can't seem to understand what I'm saying.

But it doesn't matter. The dude I was talking about look like Lapidus (and Man #2, more or less than Lapidus, who knows).

It probably doesn't mean anything that Lapidus and mysterious cabin dude look alike, I just found it interesting.

[Edited on May 18, 2009 at 10:38 AM. Reason : ]

5/18/2009 10:35:15 AM

being defensive isn't becoming of you. don't let your complex about being wrong make a fool out of you.

from what episode are you gathering that caption in particular?

5/18/2009 10:44:20 AM

Defensive? Complex about being wrong?

Chill pill, bro

5/18/2009 10:45:25 AM

just share what episode its from and move on.

5/18/2009 10:47:54 AM

The pic I posted? I don't remember what episode exactly, I'm sure you can look it up though. I'd take a guess but I'd hate to be wrong in a thread on TWW about a TV show. Couldn't take it.

5/18/2009 10:50:15 AM

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"only being able to animate people who were buried"

oh lol i meant to say people who weren't buried.

The thing that kind of weirds me out is that richard obviously knew where jacob lived, did he just lie to ben about where jacob's cabin was or did he actually think that jacob was also at the cabin whenever an 'audience was requested'

[Edited on May 18, 2009 at 12:49 PM. Reason : ]

5/18/2009 12:46:04 PM

^Ana Lucia was buried though right? And she showed up to Hurley, but that might be unrelated.

5/18/2009 1:59:58 PM

I think Hurley's just crazy.

5/18/2009 2:22:12 PM

trust me, he's not crazy

5/18/2009 2:25:45 PM

He's not crazy, he's blessed. And his last name is Kings, which is cool.

5/18/2009 5:20:52 PM

The only good thing about the Lost time travel "paradox" is it makes more sense than the time travel in the new Star Trek movie.

5/19/2009 1:02:57 AM

What paradox?

5/19/2009 7:34:10 AM

yeah, what paradox? And star trek makes perfect sense.

ehh, the plot line is obvious from the opening scene. And the effects of said plot device isn't really a question in the storyline (it's explained very nicely). But, fair enough. I removed what i had to say about it.

[Edited on May 19, 2009 at 9:42 AM. Reason : .]

5/19/2009 9:24:11 AM

^^^i too have yet to see anything on LOST that creates a paradox. Perhaps you meant time travel "theory" or "storyline"?

[Edited on May 19, 2009 at 9:27 AM. Reason : .]

5/19/2009 9:27:20 AM

Please don't spoil Star Trek here, either.

5/19/2009 9:29:32 AM

Ben stabs like a girl. Do you think it was hard for Michael Emerson to watch that scene?

5/20/2009 2:07:29 PM

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"What paradox?"

Past Locke lays dying in the middle of the jungle. Richard saves him (rather, stops the bleeding and gives him instructions).

Who is solely responsible for causing Richard to do save Past Locke? Future Locke.

5/20/2009 2:31:35 PM

That's not a paradox, it's just a time loop.

I made the same mistake earlier.

5/20/2009 2:33:44 PM

And another thing to remember is that the finale seemed to indicate that Locke2.0, Un-Locke, whatever you want to call him was actually not John Locke. So I understand what you're saying, but it actually wasn't Locke that saved himself, it was dark shirt guy/smoke monster. The REAL Locke was dead and in the Ajira crate while Locke2.0 "intervened" and helped to save shot-in-the-leg-real-Locke. I did not articulate that well, but hopefully you got something from it.

5/20/2009 4:09:32 PM

Still though, had Locke2 not saved Locke, Locke wouldn't have left the island, died, and made his likeness available for use by Locke2.

So it's still a loop, even knowing that it wasn't actually Locke who took Alpert out to the drug plane.

5/20/2009 4:22:20 PM

they're in the past. Anything that any of them had done once the flashes started other than staying isolated in the jungle would've by definition been a loop.

Like daniel said its a record, as viewers we're just stuck on previous songs that seem weird because we know about things that happen in the next song even though at the time for the losties its inexplicable.

[Edited on May 20, 2009 at 4:56 PM. Reason : ]

5/20/2009 4:55:32 PM

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"Anything that any of them had done once the flashes started other than staying isolated in the jungle would've by definition been a loop."

No, just anything that directly created a situation that made it possible to create that situation.

The Locke/Alpert/compass deal is a loop, Hurley making sandwiches isn't.

5/20/2009 5:21:03 PM

the compass thing is a parodox. That compass has no origin. We initially believed that richard gave it to locke and told him to give it back to him the next time he saw him, but we later learned that richard only had it in the first place because locke had given it to him in the 50s. Thats really the only paradox i'm aware of.

5/20/2009 5:27:55 PM

I don't want to get into a semantics argument, but look up the definition of paradox or something. Nothing about that situation is a paradox, it's a loop.

5/20/2009 5:34:02 PM

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"the compass thing is a parodox. That compass has no origin. We initially believed that richard gave it to locke and told him to give it back to him the next time he saw him, but we later learned that richard only had it in the first place because locke had given it to him in the 50s. Thats really the only paradox i'm aware of."

I really wanted to tell you that you're wrong. But after thinking about it, I agree. It's a paradox in the sense that it goes against common sense but is somehow true (see merriam webster).

Somebody had to bring it to the island to begin with or build it while on the island. Richard gave it to Locke while mending his leg (although Richard showed it to locke as a child, Richard maintained possession of it). Locke traveled in time and gave it to him in the 50's, at which point Richard said he'd never seen it. Richard kept it for the next 50yrs or so and gave it back to Locke just before he traveled back to 1950 to give to Richard to begin with. Where did it come from?

It's certainly counter intuitive. Especially if we're to believe that what happens always happened. The only way to explain is with an alternate time-line (an earlier alternate time-line). Otherwise, I think it's a screw up. But as I've previously pointed out, creating alternate time-lines is certainly possible with what we've been told in the show thus far.

[Edited on May 20, 2009 at 6:14 PM. Reason : .]

5/20/2009 6:12:23 PM

how did Locke#2 know that Locke#1 needed to be saved from the gunshot wound? And how did he know exactly where and when to do it?

I mean, since Locke#1 wasnt dead yet, Locke#2 hadnt taken his body, so was he (Locke#2) hiding in the woods somewhere and saw it all take place?

5/20/2009 6:20:27 PM

i think we're to believe that the other guy from the beginning (who took the form of locke) is omniscient when it comes to the island. Although, I'm not positive. He may have also somehow "gained" locke's memories by taking his form. Though that wouldn't explain how he knew when it happened (he claimed the island told him).

[Edited on May 20, 2009 at 6:24 PM. Reason : .]

5/20/2009 6:21:58 PM

The compass that locke brought to the island was given to sawyer or jack, but its definitely not the one that he brought. If you listen to one of the podcasts from either 2 or 3 weeks ago they go into detail about how this is one of the first ACTUAL unexplained things on the show. They said they were glad that someone caught it and wrote in a question about it, because it appeared to be New after richard had it for 50 years but old when it was given to him in the 50s and they talked about trying to explain what was going on to the props crew but didn't think they'd be taken seriously and it happened to work out for the best or something.

oh cool there is a post finale podcast that i haven't heard yet.

[Edited on May 20, 2009 at 6:27 PM. Reason : ]

5/20/2009 6:24:34 PM

the thing about giving a compass to jack or sawyer or whatever is not relevant.

And I'm not sure about it looking "new" when he gave it back to Locke. I recall Locke asking Richard if he still had it and Richard said something like "it's a little rusty, but yeah i have it." Maybe I'm mistaken though or you have it backwards. Perhaps they meant it was new when Locke gave it to him in 1950 or maybe even the first time we saw Richard give it to Locke, but was old the second time we saw Richard give it Locke (which would seem to be in continuity with the original scene, and thus confusing to the prop crew).

Either way, I agree with you. It's a paradox unless they go with an alternate time-line before all that in which someone introduced it for the first time... or there's something crazy i haven't thought of.


V gotcha

[Edited on May 20, 2009 at 6:47 PM. Reason : gotcha]

5/20/2009 6:41:02 PM

its the may 11th podcast

i was just clarifying that Locke had a compass in the first two seasons, but by the time the compass in question came into play the one that he had was already given away.

http://abc.go.com/primetime/lost/index?pn=podcast#t=3421

[Edited on May 20, 2009 at 6:44 PM. Reason : ]

5/20/2009 6:42:35 PM

I finally watched the season finale last night so Ill throw some thoughts out there.

First of all the statue of the Egyptian God is Sobek the crocodile deity:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sobek

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"The god Sobek, which was depicted as a crocodile or a man with the head of a crocodile was a powerful and frightening deity; in some Egyptian creation myths, it was Sobek who first came out of the waters of chaos to create the world......Sobek's ambiguous nature led some Egyptians to believe that he was a repairer of evil that had been done, rather than a force for good in itself.....He was also said to call on suitable gods and goddesses required for protecting people in situation, effectively having a more distant role, nudging things along, rather than taking an active part."

Also did anyone manage to see what was reflected in the Jack's(?) eye during the preview for next season?

I like the idea that the bomb canceled out the effect of the EMP but Im not sure where that leaves the island and the characters.

5/21/2009 10:35:20 AM

Uh... the statue is Taweret.

5/21/2009 10:45:49 AM