I don't worry so much about magical shotguns or auto-aim but I can see how that would bother people. However, if they are going to try and add drama to the mix they need to do it right. They should have killed off half the cast to free up some dough for at least one decent writer (if they are paying these clowns anything). As this show becomes more popular I fear the writing will get worse because The American Idol crowd will just want to watch zombies kill people and not have to think about anything.

Rick telling everyone that they were already infected should have been a powerful moment instead it was like "btdubs you all have the virus lol". It was an original and interesting idea yet they squandered it.

3/20/2012 4:32:34 PM

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"Rick telling everyone that they were already infected should have been a powerful moment instead it was like "btdubs you all have the virus lol". It was an original and interesting idea yet they squandered it."

It pissed me off that people didn't even stop and think about what he was saying before jumping on him for not telling them sooner. Who cares why he didn't tell them sooner, that is insignificant - what would they have done differently if they had known as soon as he was told that?

It just seemed forced and unrealistic response

3/20/2012 4:54:08 PM

He should have waited until the end when he told them to leave if they didn't want to listen to him anymore. He could have said something like "You are all going to end up like the walkers anyway". That shit would have been soooo bad ass.

3/20/2012 5:04:11 PM

I didn't understand the timing of that conversation either. I would have thought it made the most sense to have that discussion when they met up on the highway. Something along the lines of awesome, we've been reunited ... who made it, who didn't ... should we go back for andrea ... should we split up/who is going where ... hey WTF happened last night, what happened to randall, what happened to shane ... oh, hey btw randall was a fucking walker and he didn't get bit. The setting of the conversation made it rushed, and it didn't need to be, it could and should have been something that they at least took some time to discuss and react to instead of making it dramatic with dramatic music of the top.

3/20/2012 6:15:37 PM

I don't like how rick was just like YEAH I SHOT SHANE SO WHAT. he should have said that he led him out to trap him and he had no other choice. instead he was all like he bucked so I shot his ass and now I'm the dictator everyone bow down to me. weak and goes against his character the last two seasons. I guess they needed a make shift new antagonist.

3/20/2012 6:45:43 PM

I think he just got tired of everyone's shit. Daryl knows what up.

Next Season

3/20/2012 6:54:08 PM

At this point, I have no choice but to accept the fact that Socks`` is simply mentally deficient.

3/20/2012 8:15:19 PM

^no shit.

3/20/2012 11:44:51 PM

Socks isn't saying anything nutty.

He's staying his opinions in a reasonable way with bueno justifications.

3/21/2012 12:26:04 AM

If we can just agree that Carl should have died in that last episode, we can all get along

3/21/2012 12:39:14 AM

here here

3/21/2012 12:46:29 AM

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" Socks isn't saying anything nutty. He's staying his opinions in a reasonable way with bueno justifications."

Agreed.

Lolz
"@glenmazzara: “@JannnyLynch: would you prefer Rick or hershel as your group leader” Lori or Carl. What could go wrong?"
"@glenmazzara: “@M18mb: Will there be another lovers triangle to add to the confusion now that Shane is gone” Is T-Dog, Glenn, & Hershel confusing enough?"

3/21/2012 12:58:39 AM

You people are legitimately of of your god damn minds if you think that it would EVER be better to sleep outside during a zombie outbreak rather than find an abandoned house. EVER.

Bottom line, if you agree with socks on this issue, you are an idiot. End of story.


[Edited on March 21, 2012 at 1:29 AM. Reason : I tried to be nice, but fuck this shit. You people are fucking retarded.]

3/21/2012 1:25:16 AM

quote bomb /rant because I'm bored and can't sleep.

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"*impossible*??? really?? Considering the flash backs indicate that many many people started heading to cities because they thought it would be safe, I think it is very possible (if not likely) that you would pass fewer cars on a back country road than normal. Maybe none at all. "

Yes. Impossible. Do you know how many families have multiple vehicles? And how many of those families would pile into one vehicle when leaving their homes? The cars left in driveways alone would be in the hundreds if you just drove for 10 miles down a country road. I'm not even talking about the ones abandoned on the side of the road. And you're talking like they would just have to stumble upon a car, which isn't even the case but I still maintain would be impossible NOT to do. Imagine what would happen if they actually decided to, oh, I dunno, LOOK for a car with gas in it.

My biggest issues, as I mentioned, was the fact that Rick specifically said they had been "running in the red for the last hour" which means he was aware that he was low on gas but chose to do nothing about it. I do not care how remote of an area you are in, I don't care how many people chose to go to big cities, there would still EASILY be thousands of cars in that stretch of time that you would see. Even 90% of them were empty or almost empty that still leaves hundreds of cars with gas in them. All Rick had to do was tell the group that he was low on gas and to be on the lookout for a lot with cars in it or a driveway with extra cars or something. Instead he did nothing. I almost might buy the whole "he was preoccupied with other things" line if the WRITERS didn't make him specifically mention how he had been monitoring the gas for the last hour. That's 100% unacceptable unless his goal was to run out of gas randomly.

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"You're still assuming that being indoors is the best strategy. Like I said before, that isn't obvious. First, if you go looking for abandoned residential areas, you're increasing the odds you will run into walkers. What residents didn't escape, got zombified and they might still be around. Remember when Shane and Andrea visited that suburb? "

I'm not assuming it. When the alternative is to set up tents in the middle of the woods, I'm stating it as outright fact. And it is that obvious. I'm not even talking about a suburb (They appear to be traveling down a fairly unpopulated area) I'm thinking more like a single country house. Maybe it's just because I live in the country myself, but I live on a 3 mile road that has 14 houses on it. The closest houses are still 500 feet apart from each other. Practically every road within a 5 mile radius of my house is similarly populated. Even though we are ~20 miles from the largest "big" city there are still hundreds of houses to choose from and hundreds of vehicles to siphon gas from within a 5 minute drive from my house. I have no reason to think that GA would be vastly different.

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"But ignoring that problem, being inside cuts off escape routes. Again, remember the house Shane and Andrea visited? They came across the bodies of a family that got trapped in their own home. Maybe they would get lucky and find a safe house without many zombie around. But, then again, maybe they wouldn't."

I'm not saying they should find any house, run inside and plop down on the couch. But if they made it even a small priority (Hey guys, it's getting dark soon, we should probably start looking for a place to hunker down for the night") it would be relatively simple to find a house and clear it out and secure it. Easily in under an hour. And if there are zombies, they kill them, or run away and find another house. It's not a matter of luck, it's a matter of them not even trying to find shelter. They were just content to say "oh, this is where we ran out of gas in one of our vehicles. I guess we have no other choice but to stay in the woods right over there for the night.

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"Now, I'm not saying that camping out isn't without risks. But you're acting like staying in a strange house in a strange neighborhood is the obvious choice over setting up camp (never mind that the group survived for weeks doing exactly that before Rick showed up). It just ain't so, bro. "

Alternatively, I'm not claiming a house would provide 100% safety. But it would provide shelter from the cold. And block their smell. And noise. And keep them out of sight. And provide blankets, and beds, and couches, and pillows and at least a small amount of a barrier against zombies if they did decide to attack. Plopping down in the middle of the woods provides exactly none of that. So yes, staying in a house is the obvious choice over setting up camp. (P.S. I thought they were fucking retarded for staying in tents way back in season one too. Just because they did it once, doesn't mean it's a good idea to do it again. Especially when you have EVERY HOUSE EVER MADE at your disposal.)

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"But let's take a step back for a second. Is this really where you want to stake your claim that the show's writing is terrible???????? Because you are 100% positive that camping out is worse than wasting gas looking for houses that might not be safe to begin with????? Because you are 100% positive there would be 1,000s of abandoned cars littering the back road of Georgia they happen to be on!?!?!?!!?"

This just happened to be the one issue that I picked. If I wanted to make a list of stupid things about this show, I could easily get it into the triple digits if that was my goal. But again, I'm not necessarily trying to nitpick about every little thing in the show and how it's not realistic. I do enjoy the show most of the time for what it is, which is just mindless entertainment. But as I said before, there is a big difference between "I can ignore that because I'm being entertained" and "hey, the writers are really doing a great job making these characters realistic."

3/21/2012 2:06:35 AM

TL;DR

let's all remember that this is a zombie apocalypse show, based on a comic book. If you want ultra-realism, you should probably look elsewhere. Suggestion: suspend disbelief and enjoy the show.

3/21/2012 10:06:36 AM

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"Suggestion: suspend disbelief and enjoy the show."

It is utterly impossible to suspend disbelief when the plot is forced and unnatural. We're led to believe this is Georgia, USA and people should act approximately how we'd expect them to act post zombie apocalypse. When they act like plot devices it's jarring.

3/21/2012 10:12:59 AM

http://www.cracked.com/blog/5-reasons-the-walking-dead-has-to-get-better/

3/21/2012 10:20:07 AM

I am officially on team El Nacho

3/21/2012 10:21:07 AM

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" It is utterly impossible to suspend disbelief when the plot is forced and unnatural. We're led to believe this is Georgia, USA and people should act approximately how we'd expect them to act post zombie apocalypse. When they act like plot devices it's jarring."

my sentiments too, it is not natural, when a former police officer and redneck hunter cannot figure out how to key in to the most basic survival skills.

The things that are pointed out are BASIC survival skills, meaning you are a fucking moron and will not survive the apocalypse if you cannot use your only advantage, your brain. Yep, I would totally make mistakes, but these are not mistakes, these are huge errors in judgement that no learning curve can excuse.

I think the audience is frustrated because fans of this type of fiction have envisioned themselves in this scenario and the survivors would be ones who could hold their own a little better than what the show has demonstrated. This show so far has only highlighted morons that got lucky and murderous assholes who leave people to die. Rick and Daryl are characterized as the leaders and the strong yet good-natured survivors (which we all imagine ourselves to be in the apocalypse) so we easily relate to these two, and then they go and do stupid shit like sleeping outside instead of piling into one car and getting the fuck out of dodge where they have no ground to defend.

Also, they have these huge lulls in the plot, boring everyone to tears, and then bang bang bang everyone makes a head shot. However, I have gotten over the magical ammo and accuracy they all seem to possess.

3/21/2012 10:49:42 AM

I think they should introduce slapstick comedy and canned laugh-tracks in Season 3

T-Dog: Screw this, we're driving to the coast!
[Laughter]
[Laughter]

3/21/2012 11:12:45 AM

When Lori said "T-Dog" in the finale I busted out laughing.

3/21/2012 11:15:08 AM

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"I think the audience is frustrated"

is the audience frustrated though? or just you people

3/21/2012 11:24:32 AM

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"My biggest issues, as I mentioned, was the fact that Rick specifically said they had been "running in the red for the last hour" which means he was aware that he was low on gas but chose to do nothing about it."

Objection. Assuming facts not in evidence.

We don't know Rick did nothing. We only know he ran out of gas. He could have been looking for fuel the entire time and just never found a safe opportunity. That seems believeable to me because I doubt there many operating gas stations around and I would suspect there are few cars left out in the country since the show has already established that people were told to head to Atlanta for safety. And I wouldn't be suprised if the fact that the closer they (unwittingly) got to the prison, the fewer opportunities they would have to refuel (fewer people living near prisons).

Your counter point? There JUST HAS to be *1000's* of cars with full tanks that people left behind (for some reason) that Rick could have safely reached on the way--in parking lots, driveways, on the side of the road, somewhere!!! JUST HAS to be.

Color me unconvinced. But how can I respond to that kind of argument? We'll just have to agree to disagree.

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"I'm not saying they should find any house, run inside and plop down on the couch. But if they made it even a small priority...it would be relatively simple to find a house and clear it out and secure it. Easily in under an hour. "

And we know this for a fact? GREAT!!! I didn't think there was any reason we could just assume that it would be easy to find a home that you could clear and secure in an under an hour. I mean, I was just going off what we've seen so far. And the show tells me that it is possible to find a safe home (Morgan and Duane found one), but that it isn't a guarantee (Andrea and Shane were ambushed by zombies while they were searching houses for Sophia), and even if a home seems safe at first it might not stay that way (Andrea and Shane found the dead couple that were trapped in their home by zombies, Rick et al just had to abandon the farm after the herd invaded).

But if you KNOW it would be SIMPLE to find a safe house in UNDER AN HOUR, because it JUST HAS to be that way, well that's a different story. Sarcasam aside, I am not sure your story strikes me as all that realistic. I mean, if it was that easy to find resources (like fuel), and that easy to find a secure shelter, why have so few people survived anyways?? And would you really find the show more believeable if things were that easy?? Or would you just be like "oh well of course they found extra fuel and a safe place to sleep! God forbid these shitty writers make us feel *suspense* in a world overun by zombies!!!"

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"They were just content to say "oh, this is where we ran out of gas in one of our vehicles. I guess we have no other choice but to stay in the woods right over there for the night."

Hmmm. I certainly don't remember it that way. I remember Maggie and others arguing with Rick that they should find shelter and him refusing to relent. And I think that makes total sense. Like I keep saying, it isn't obvious finding a house is better than camping or visa versa. It is a judgement call. And I can totally believe that some might disagree with Rick's judgement, but that they might still be too scared to risk it on their own.

If you don't remember that, then maybe we are in fact watching 2 different shows like I am starting to suspect.

[Edited on March 21, 2012 at 11:50 AM. Reason : ``]

3/21/2012 11:36:17 AM

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"When Lori said "T-Dog" in the finale I busted out laughing."

3/21/2012 11:54:14 AM

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"is the audience frustrated though?"

well clearly there are people fine with the series, but there are also people who do not like the drama focal point.

3/21/2012 12:12:33 PM

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"TL;DR let's all remember that this is a zombie apocalypse show, based on a comic book. If you want ultra-realism, you should probably look elsewhere. Suggestion: suspend disbelief and enjoy the show."

Suggestion: Don't comment on things that you can't be bothered to read. If you're only going to read one part of my rant then read the last 2 sentences. I'm perfectly capable of suspending disbelief to enjoy the show. However, I'm not capable of believing that anyone with even a small amount of intelligence would call the writing on this show great. That's where I have to draw the line.

3/21/2012 12:42:36 PM

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"Like I keep saying, it isn't obvious finding a house is better than camping or visa versa."

Any random, unchecked house vs. camping... no. I think what people are saying is that a SECURE house is better than sleeping outside. And that they could secure a house fairly easily.

Do you really believe a house isn't better than camping? If you could just replace Hershel's house with a set of tents, you think that would have been just as safe? And let's not confuse "not being able to stop a herd of hundreds of walkers" as being the go/no go for whether or not a location is safe. A house provides protection in a multitude of scenarios that camping would not. There are very few, if any, situations in which camping would be better than being in a house.

I agree with you 100% that simply finding a house and making sure it is secure is an entirely different ball game. But if given option A) a house with locking doors, you've checked the entire house (basements, attics, garages, etc.) and you KNOW the house is empty, and it has multiple exits and a way for someone to keep watch OR option B) sleeping outside

i'm taking the house 10/10 times.


And I don't think making sure a house is clear is that difficult. It is risky, but not difficult. Shane and Andrea weren't in that house with the intent of making sure it was empty. I remember watching that episode and thinking about how carelessly they were moving through the house.

The show has set a precedent that when a small group sets out with the intent of doing so, they can navigate away from, around, and through walkers. It's the surprise walkers in the unsuspecting moments that get them. They've also set a precedent that when they want, they have no problem approaching a group of walkers and taking them down fairly easily. So it's risky and probably not something they want to do on a sunday afternoon stroll, but it's not crazy at all to think they could clear/secure a house.


If I had the option of a suburban to city home or camping out in the country, I'd probably lean toward camping out in the country with someone keeping watch simply because there are likely to be a lot fewer walkers in the vicinity. But whether in the city, suburbs, or country, I'd always take a house (known to be clear of walkers and secure to a certain extent) over a tent.

That being said, them camping right now doesn't bother me too much.
They're still settling down over some intense stuff. I'm not sure I'd want to go right into house clearing at the moment. They should be well clear of the herd (an hour of driving). Even if the herd were generally heading the same the direction, the odds of it being on their path is unlikely over that distance. So, I'd think that with a guard or two, barring another herd near by, they should be OK camping out for a night and trying to find a safer location (a building) the next day.

[Edited on March 21, 2012 at 1:11 PM. Reason : t]

3/21/2012 1:08:06 PM

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"I think what people are saying is that a SECURE house is better than sleeping outside. And that they could secure a house fairly easily. "

I would agree that a SECURE house is better than sleeping outside. But that isn't really the choice they're faced with at the end of the episode. It is either camp where they are for the night OR spend time and resources to find, clear, THEN secure a home. El Nacho says they should obviously go looking for the home and not spend a single night outside. I disagree.

Remember they have no idea how many homes are in the surrounding area, where they are, which ones are actually abandoned (some could be occupied by walkers or crazy wackos like those NJ guys), and of the ones that are abandoned, which can be easily secured against attack. So no, it isn't obvious to me that they should rush out and find a house rather than sleep outside for one night.

Let me stress, I am not saying they should stay outside forever. I agree that it would be smart to eventually find a place they can fortify against attack (exactly like Rick suggests at the end). But what El Nacho is suggesting (and what I'm responding to) is that they OBVIOUSLY shouldn't stay outside for even a single night. But I don't find it that obvious.

I think what you said in your last paragraph sums up my feelings.

[Edited on March 21, 2012 at 1:25 PM. Reason : ``]

3/21/2012 1:23:06 PM

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"However, I'm not capable of believing that anyone with even a small amount of intelligence would call the writing on this show great"

yea, it's definitely not great writing. but _for me_ it doesn't really ruin the show. i look at the show as a popcorn movie and from a fanboy perspective (OMG THEY MADE A SHOW OF MY FAVORITE COMIC)

but if you're approaching the show as a drama that claims to have the same pedigree of the other shows on the network, then i can see how you'd be... disappointed, i guess?

3/21/2012 1:25:04 PM

3/21/2012 2:09:45 PM

hahahahaha

3/21/2012 2:43:13 PM

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"I would agree that a SECURE house is better than sleeping outside. But that isn't really the choice they're faced with at the end of the episode."

You seem obsessed with taking the situation they were in at the end of the show and acting like that was the only possible outcome and that there's no way they could have avoided that situation. I'm saying that with just a little bit of common sense and prep time they could have easily avoided not being put into that situation in the first place. But since the writers need to create drama and suspense, the only thing these hacks know how to do is make all the characters ignore common sense and do things that no rational person would ever do. Like drive in the middle of nowhere without having enough gas to get out. Or not bothering to look for shelter more than 15 minutes before it gets dark. Yes, I do think that even at the end of the episode they would have been better off taking two trips to a nearby house, but my entire point is that it should have never gotten that far in the first place.

At this point I've beaten the dead horse, he's come back as a zombie, I've head shotted him in the brainpan from 50 yards away while hanging out of the side of a moving vehicle and then I've continued to beat the dead zombie horse until he was a bloody pulp. I give up trying to talk any sense into you from now on.

3/21/2012 4:14:49 PM

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" make all the characters ignore common sense and do things that no rational person would ever do. Like drive in the middle of nowhere without having enough gas to get out. Or not bothering to look for shelter more than 15 minutes before it gets dark."

I think what I spent the last 3 posts doing was making the case that the characters were not ignoring common sense because 1) there is no reason we should assume there an opportunity for them to get gas and 2) once they got in their unfortunate situation there is reason to think finding a house was the best plan.

You "beating a dead horse" has amounted to insisting over and over again that there JUST HAD TO BE abundant and safely accessible fuel and that is SIMPLE AND EASY to find a house and secure in less than 1 hour. Never mind that you never really explained why so few people survived if resources were that easy to obtain and safe shelter was that easy to find.

But you're right it probably is best to agree to disagree at this point. Via con dios, El Nacho.

[Edited on March 21, 2012 at 4:44 PM. Reason : ``]

3/21/2012 4:43:38 PM

As far as the gas goes, perhaps the people living in the prison have already cleared any gas stations or abandoned vehicles in the surrounding area. Given the size of the prison, I believe they would have a pretty high demand for gas.

3/21/2012 9:10:02 PM

I was thinking as they left the rally point on the highway "why aren't they topping off their tanks from the cars on the road"

3/21/2012 9:19:21 PM

If Rick knew for the better part of an hour that he was running low on gas, they should have been looking for a place to stop for the night.

It is literally impossible to drive in Georgia for a solid hour and not see anything.

Anything is better than some brick walls to hide behind out in the open.

If you can't understand this or don't realize that any sort of shelter is better than being out in the open then you are a total and complete idiot who fails at life.

You would be one of the first people to die in situations like these.

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"1) there is no reason we should assume there an opportunity for them to get gas and 2) once they got in their unfortunate situation there is reason to think finding a house was the best plan. You "beating a dead horse" has amounted to insisting over and over again that there JUST HAD TO BE abundant and safely accessible fuel and that is SIMPLE AND EASY to find a house and secure in less than 1 hour. Never mind that you never really explained why so few people survived if resources were that easy to obtain and safe shelter was that easy to find."

Then the writers should have written in a few quick scenes showing them looking for gas in a few abandoned cars and also just have Rick mention something about not seeing any shelter.

But once again the writers got lazy. They were on fumes for an hour, who knows how long they had been driving total.

They are going to pass a bunch of options to stop at. If you can't understand this that is your own problem. If they were in Montana, or North Dakota or something, then maybe this would be realistic, but they are in mother fucking GA.


[Edited on March 21, 2012 at 10:17 PM. Reason : .]

[Edited on March 21, 2012 at 10:26 PM. Reason : b]

3/21/2012 10:13:38 PM

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"It is literally impossible to drive in Georgia for a solid hour and not see anything. Anything is better than some brick walls to hide behind out in the open."

Speaking of brick walls.

[Edited on March 21, 2012 at 10:23 PM. Reason : ``]

3/21/2012 10:16:05 PM

huh?

3/21/2012 10:17:57 PM

^ exactly.

Also, I see you edited your post to add:

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"Then the writers should have written in a few quick scenes showing them looking for gas "

I totally agree. But it is funny you mentioned this. Glenn Mazzara just tweeted that his biggest regret this season was not devoting more of the show to gas acquisition. So I guess you can look forward to more of that in Season 3 (fingers crossed)

But personally, I am way more frustrated that they never show any of the characters taking a dump. I mean, we see them eat food. Are we just supposed to assume their body metabolizes all of it???? Thanks alot for the unrealistic portrayal of human eating habits Walking Dead! Shitty fucking writers.

[Edited on March 21, 2012 at 10:26 PM. Reason : ``]

3/21/2012 10:25:07 PM

haha, you're obviously trolling at this point.

Good day sir.

3/21/2012 10:33:31 PM

late

[Edited on March 21, 2012 at 10:36 PM. Reason : a]

3/21/2012 10:35:31 PM

3/22/2012 8:29:47 AM

maybe the truck had a busted fuel gauge?

3/22/2012 10:24:27 AM

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"But personally, I am way more frustrated that they never show any of the characters taking a dump."

3/22/2012 11:03:58 AM

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"But personally, I am way more frustrated that they never show any of the characters taking a dump."

this argument is eerily similar to the abortion/Hitler analogy made by self-appointed "pro-lifers". Do you happen to have German in your family? Any of you family members have the last name Thoele or von Brauchitsch or anything with von?

3/22/2012 11:16:00 AM

you nerds keep typing words. It's a FUCKING ZOMBIE SHOW BASED ON COMIC BOOKS.

3/22/2012 12:03:14 PM

hey thats the first time anyones made that point! what a guy!

3/22/2012 12:04:10 PM

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"you nerds keep typing words. It's a FUCKING ZOMBIE SHOW BASED ON COMIC BOOKS."

... this post makes you.... what exactly?

if you are reading and/or posting you are participating in the conversation. If you don't want to read a bunch of nerds nitpicking shows, don't read tv show threads, bc it will happen. Your comment does nothing for the conversation.

3/22/2012 12:05:53 PM

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"you nerds keep typing words. It's a FUCKING ZOMBIE SHOW BASED ON COMIC BOOKS."

Doesn't mean it's beyond criticism. Doesn't mean it doesn't warrant analysis.

3/22/2012 12:23:37 PM

called the fuck out

3/22/2012 12:32:55 PM