what's your definition of powerhouse??

because it certainly must be different if you want to claim Iowa as one

[Edited on November 20, 2012 at 2:44 PM. Reason : powerhouse, not juggernaut. my b.]

11/20/2012 2:36:30 PM

Looks like a Hawkeye to me

11/20/2012 2:39:10 PM

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"juggernauts like Michigan, Ohio State and Wisconsin or traditional powerhouses like Penn State, Nebraska and Iowa"

was the quote

cant really argue it...Iowa has four 10+ win seasons since 2002

11/20/2012 2:46:06 PM

The ACC has become the Big East.

11/20/2012 3:15:41 PM

N/m

[Edited on November 20, 2012 at 4:12 PM. Reason : ]

11/20/2012 4:08:29 PM

if you look at the SEC map and the ACC map... the SEC is a geographical advantage for nc state at this point.

although what i say doesn't matter. if the powers that be allow us to join the SEC we're joining the SEC, and that's that.

[Edited on November 20, 2012 at 4:50 PM. Reason : just how it is y'all.]

11/20/2012 4:49:28 PM

Do they go after NC State or UNCheat? Duke and Wake would get Fucked. and ESPN would block trying to split the Duke/UNCheat for bball reasons. that's their cash cow during Basketball.

and VT is problematic because BY LAW if one moves they both move. so the law would have to be changed.


[Edited on November 20, 2012 at 4:59 PM. Reason : sa]

Once Maryland sues and get the exit Fee knocked down it's bye bye ACC. But think about it MD makes that 50 mil up in 2 to 3 year based on the current Big10 contract. ACC = 12-14 mil a year and BIG10 = 20+ mil a year.

Unless ND joins Full in, the ACC will be gone in by the end of the year.

[Edited on November 20, 2012 at 5:03 PM. Reason : d]

11/20/2012 4:58:50 PM

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"because BY LAW if one moves they both move."

Prove this

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"MD makes that 50 mil up in 2 to 3 year based on the current Big10 contract. ACC = 12-14 mil a year and BIG10 = 20+ mil a year. "

Math wiz

20-12 = 8

8*3 = 50?

[Edited on November 20, 2012 at 5:29 PM. Reason : Seriously the worst post in this thread]

11/20/2012 5:27:39 PM

http://espn.go.com/blog/bigten/post/_/id/65858/big-ten-biggest-expansion-gamble-is-itself

Lol so theyre basically fucking over umd and rutgers saying since there are so many big 10 school grads in nyc and dc that it'll improve attendence. Haha this basically will make these games almost like 2nd home games for OSU and Michigan

11/20/2012 5:29:50 PM

fairyland and rutgers are gonna get fucked in 5-10 years when half of the cable/satellite packages are a la carte and the other games are online exclusives

11/20/2012 5:31:10 PM

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" MD makes that 50 mil up in 2 to 3 year based on the current Big10 contract. ACC = 12-14 mil a year and BIG10 = 20+ mil a year."

Math does not check out

11/20/2012 6:10:11 PM

I said 20+ now. They will be able to get a better deal with 2 new teams and markets. it will push the deal to 30+ mil. and if they add 2 more teams no telling.


ok you got me on the law part. They threatened to make a law back in 2003, but never did. They could threaten this again, but it is not a law right now.


http://hamptonroads.com/2011/08/if-sec-calls-virginia-tech-would-listen

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"When it looked as if the ACC would expand in 2003, politicians throughout the state were calling for a law requiring both schools to be in the same conference. Tech was in the Big East at the time. If Tech were to consider a move to the SEC, would politicians use the same reasoning and oppose it? I doubt it. Politicians are opportunistic, if anything, and realize that there is a preponderance of Hokie supporters among the state’s electorate."

11/20/2012 6:54:22 PM

Ohhh, now.

11/20/2012 11:15:38 PM

IC posters seem to like the idea of leaving with UVA and going to the B1G. Why would you leave a conference where you can basically get away with murder?

11/21/2012 1:42:13 AM

they would be a doormat in the B1G, but they're not even in the picture. The B1G really likes Atlanta, so I could see them making a strong push for GT with maybe Clemson following



[Edited on November 21, 2012 at 2:05 AM. Reason : d]

11/21/2012 2:03:37 AM

bronco. it is well known maryland will be out of the negative by2020 with this decision.

11/21/2012 2:07:54 AM

Good riddance, I've never liked them. Now they can get curb stomped even harder in football.

11/21/2012 2:23:02 AM

so when does the ACC add UConn?

11/21/2012 8:30:22 AM

Lot of college athletics finance experts itt.

11/21/2012 9:42:47 AM

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"Ingram Smith ?@IngramSmith Sounds as though ACC is heavily leaning towards selecting UCONN as 14th team - Ga Tech, FSU & Clemson have all voiced their objections"

Nice move, Swofford. Add a worthless program that all the football schools who are about to bolt don't want. 100% lock they're in by next week now.

Woodson better be making some calls to Mike Slive this week

11/21/2012 10:54:14 AM

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"lol @ "NCSU isn't SEC country". Because Houston is totally Big East country, New Jersey is Big Ten country, and West Virginia is Big 12 country."

They weren't, but now they are. We're also not Pac 12 country, Big 10 country, or La Liga country. If there was a team from any of those leagues in NC, we would be. Look at the regional games we get on ABC/ESPN and which games are blacked out on ESPN3. This isn't that hard.

If you want to fap about the SEC, transfer to South Carolina. Shouldn't be too hard to get in.

As for a VT move to the SEC: it would probably be welcomed, since much of SW Virginia is the same TV market as Bristol, TN, thus overlapping it with UT territory.

[Edited on November 21, 2012 at 11:11 AM. Reason : x]

11/21/2012 11:09:39 AM

Cutcliffe signs an extension with Duke through 2019

ACC crisis averted

11/21/2012 11:11:18 AM

This looks a hell of a lot better than the New Big East we're about to be stuck with

11/21/2012 11:17:00 AM

That looks pretty sexy to be honest. I was iffy about it until now. We will get owned pretty badly for a while, but we can always count on a W over Kentucky. Should be competitive with Vandy, VT, and Tenn. Will get socks rocked by UF, UGA, and USC. A least basketball will be top 3 with UK and UF.

11/21/2012 11:25:19 AM

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"Nice move, Swofford. Add a worthless program that all the football schools who are about to bolt don't want. 100% lock they're in by next week now."

Sounds reasonable, but if not UConn then who? Louisville?

11/21/2012 11:29:23 AM

So why would the SEC want us over UNC? Maybe people are starting to forget about Jordan these days but UNC has a market that extends across the nation and to people that couldn't even locate NC on a map. Though maybe those people don't watch games, they just buy the apparel.

Edit: I guess they'd have to take UNC and Duke in a package deal for the basketball $$$$$$$$.

[Edited on November 21, 2012 at 11:30 AM. Reason : -]

11/21/2012 11:29:52 AM

I think it's more a question why would UNC want SEC? They're a better fit demographically and academically with the Big Ten. If Big Ten Network revenues are near what SEC can get them and they wanted to leave the ACC, it'd make sense if they went Big Ten.

11/21/2012 11:37:33 AM

that map makes me think of the Confederacy, lets do it

SouthEastern Confederacy, SEC, SEC, SEC

11/21/2012 11:42:34 AM

Why would UNC leave the UNC conference with a UNC commissioner? Apparel sales probably negates any gain from B1G cable money. We are just lucky not to have a ball and chain like Duke.

11/21/2012 12:33:46 PM

Yeah. That's why I said if they even wanted to leave the conference. Other events could force their hand and they'd have to pick somewhere. UNC isn't going to be left behind and when they have to go to a different conference, I can see why they'd prefer Big Ten over SEC.

11/21/2012 12:43:05 PM

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"This looks a hell of a lot better than the New Big East we're about to be stuck with"

it sure does.

11/21/2012 12:47:09 PM

beats miami/south bend/syracuse triangle conference

11/21/2012 12:51:00 PM

I'd love to be in the SEC but I don't see it happening. Getting to see Bama, Florida, LSU, Georgia, USC, UAB and A&M (I guess) on a consistent basis? SIGN ME UP!

[Edited on November 21, 2012 at 12:54 PM. Reason : arkansas and UT aren't horrible to see... when they step it up.]

\/agreed, but that's low on my give a fuck meter. we'd probably get stuck with VT haha.

We'd be bottom tier SEC for a long damn time, if not forever, but I think being part of the SEC football culture would be great.


But I also wish/think there should be separate conferences for football and basketball

[Edited on November 21, 2012 at 12:56 PM. Reason : .]

11/21/2012 12:53:56 PM

Who would our in conference rivals be?
Kentucky? Vtech?


History shows it should be USC but...

11/21/2012 12:54:29 PM

The Gators? Rednecks Vs Jorts+Mullets the the Mullet Bowl?

11/21/2012 12:57:38 PM

You act like florida fans aren't rednecks. Or fans of pretty much every other sec school.

11/21/2012 1:00:10 PM

Why do you guys think UNC is stuck with duke? They could go to the SEC and play rivals with usc tenn and kentucky and still get to play duke every year anyway. UNC Kentucky basketball rivalry would be just like Duke UNC.

ACC football just picked up Pittsburgh Chicago and the entire state of new york. I don't see how losing viewers in Tallahassee and Clemson would kill us. Sure, we wouldn't be a good, deep conference but we'd still have people watching and we'd still have the auto-bcs.

11/21/2012 1:04:23 PM

UNC and Duke are a package deal, plain and simple. ESPN won't let them split up. Too much money is tied up in that rivalry, and 1 OOC game a year in December won't keep it going.

11/21/2012 1:13:09 PM

Is there a rule that teams can't play twice?

[Edited on November 21, 2012 at 1:14 PM. Reason : even if there is, you GAIN unc/kentucky so it evens out. ]

11/21/2012 1:14:30 PM

Quote :

"Getting to see Bama, Florida, LSU, Georgia, USC, UAB and A&M (I guess) on a consistent basis? SIGN ME UP!"

Turn on CBS any Saturday. You won't have to watch them stomp a fucking hole through your team, either.

11/21/2012 1:16:55 PM

Ya know, I could have been referring to seeing them in person in Raleigh. Not everyone sits on their grandma's couch with hot cheetos and takis to watch their team play like you.

11/21/2012 4:42:27 PM

Happy thanksgiving, Bill. I'm sure your fourth chin is looking forward to it.

11/21/2012 5:19:28 PM

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"According to ESPN.com ACC blogger Heather Dinich, there's a sentiment among coaches to build one division with Clemson, Duke, Maryland, North Carolina, North Carolina State, Wake Forest, and Virginia, each of whom was a member of the inaugural ACC season in 1953"

LOL maryland

gg Heather Dinich

seriously though, this would be awesome for us in football long term assuming GT replaces the terds in this scenario

11/23/2012 4:54:58 PM

Yep, I could get behind that. And it would keep Clemson and FSU in separate divisions which would be more balanced than the current divisions.

11/23/2012 10:45:55 PM

^Ive suggested that before somewhere, but it could get lopsided if VT rebounds and Miami actually gets back to their standard. Id fully support doing it (now with GT in the "old school" division), and move FSU back over if theres a move to 16 (you could name the divisions "ACC" and "Big East").

11/23/2012 11:04:32 PM

^This!

We are at a point now where the best thing that could happen would be to have 4, or 5 conferences of 18+ teams. Each conference could have the traditional division and the noobs division.

11/24/2012 2:40:23 AM

Some twitter yesterday that FSU pretty much demanded Louisville to be added, so the ACC has no choice but aside from that they also want to add Cincy and UConn (much larger TV markets than Louisville and a larger share of the NYC market).

Unbalanced football divisions, 7 and 8 and 16 for basketball. That is probably where the world is going so maybe getting ahead of the curve will help a bit, though that still doesn't prevent FSU, Clemson, GTech, etc from leaving.

I still don't believe for a second that NC State/UNC and UVa/Va Tech aren't politically tied together truth be told, at this point.

11/24/2012 6:54:45 AM

I don't think State and UNC are politically tied to the same conference. I do think that NC State jumping to a conference would cause GA action because it would look like the ACC is sinking which would be bad for UNC.

If UNC left or both schools left the ACC in different directions then I don't think the GA would give a damn.

11/24/2012 10:40:15 AM

I don't understand why football is driving this move to consolidate the major conferences and make a mockery of the way college basketball has always been. Football is just such a boring fucking sport. I'm not trolling here at all. But just look at the rest of the world, how many of them give two shits about football?

11/24/2012 2:30:41 PM

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11/24/2012 2:33:48 PM