jaZon, you're doing yeoman's work, son.

[Edited on October 23, 2014 at 4:49 PM. Reason : *]

10/23/2014 4:49:12 PM

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"fully expects vacated wins/title"

please oh please, I'll never ask for anything ever again Santa/Jesus

10/23/2014 4:49:52 PM

would rather have the death penalty. could care less about the wins. burn it to the ground.

10/23/2014 4:50:56 PM

^^ 2005 and 2009 should both go bye bye.

^ I will cum everywhere if that happens.

[Edited on October 23, 2014 at 4:51 PM. Reason : *]

10/23/2014 4:51:14 PM

I just want their recruiting to suffer mightily to the point that they totally suck.

10/23/2014 4:52:51 PM

Front page search ESPN for "UNC". Nothing.

10/23/2014 4:57:36 PM

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"Jeff Gravley ?@jgravleyWRAL 20m20 minutes ago Larry Fedora talking about his players. "I couldn’t tell you what one guy’s major is." Don't think that's a good recruiting pitch to parents"

I know you're trying to stay detached Larry, but that's not exactly a good look.

10/23/2014 5:02:32 PM

Typical DSPN spin

^was going to post that too. Fedora tried to play Roy-dumb, but went full retard.

[Edited on October 23, 2014 at 5:03 PM. Reason : x]

10/23/2014 5:03:01 PM

There is this UNC story on ESPN that was just posted a little over an hour ago:

http://insider.espn.go.com/blog/jeff-goodman/post?id=4196

10/23/2014 5:05:40 PM

I would be surprised if the parents of most of these kids gave a fuck what their kids were majoring in.

10/23/2014 5:07:01 PM

Would you rather see:
A) UNC vacates all wins/banners from the last 20 years
B) UNC has a post season ban for the next 20 years
C) UNC has heavy scholarship reductions (say ~50%) for the next 20 years

You can only pick 1

go....

[Edited on October 23, 2014 at 5:17 PM. Reason : ]

10/23/2014 5:11:41 PM

I want to see them SUCK for the next 20 years, but that hardly means we'd beat them for the next 20 years.

10/23/2014 5:16:08 PM

A easily. B and C would be reduced by the ncaa after 2-4 years of good behavior (see Penn State)

10/23/2014 5:18:28 PM

I hear ya, but I just can't get too excited about vacated wins. It doesn't really mean anything and doesn't seem like it would have any effect going forward. The wins still happened.

10/23/2014 5:19:45 PM

^^^^ C would almost certainly guarantee B. Don't see many basketball teams with 6-7 scholarship players or football teams with 42-43 scholarship players making the post-season without another scandal happening.

10/23/2014 5:32:23 PM

Cmon guys. Wolfpack sports with no unc would be like star wars with no dark side of the force.

10/23/2014 5:36:31 PM

I still don't see it happening. This is their cash cow.

10/23/2014 5:40:00 PM

people keep saying unc is a cash cow... the last i checked all of football was driving the bus here.

10/23/2014 5:41:06 PM

A for sure.

I'd actually jerk off to watching them yank the banners down.

Not just titles would come down, final four banners as well, and acc championships.

[Edited on October 23, 2014 at 5:45 PM. Reason : .]

10/23/2014 5:43:06 PM

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"You can only pick 1"

why? if they vacated wins, they would also surely be on probation/scholarship reductions.

whatever. BOYCOTT DA SCHOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

10/23/2014 5:49:02 PM

One of those guys wanted each page dumped into a single line of text

Done. Not sure what good it will do, but fuck it

10/23/2014 5:53:09 PM

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"There is this UNC story on ESPN that was just posted a little over an hour ago: http://insider.espn.go.com/blog/jeff-goodman/post?id=4196"

So, what's that chode saying?

10/23/2014 5:54:23 PM

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"I hear ya, but I just can't get too excited about vacated wins. It doesn't really mean anything and doesn't seem like it would have any effect going forward. The wins still happened."

Imagine the embarrassment of those banners falling down and wins vacated. We'll have enough ammunition to shut those smug bastards up till 2050.

[Edited on October 23, 2014 at 5:57 PM. Reason : ]

10/23/2014 5:56:38 PM

it has exactly zero to do with this scandal.

he's just doing his job writing about basketball.


wait, there is this at the very end:

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"8. North Carolina’s recruiting has certainly been affected by the recent academic issues, and the Tar Heels have been unable to land top-10 players. However, the Tar Heels pulled in a nice class this year and are in the hunt for several elite prospects in the Class of 2015 (No. 5 Ivan Rabb, No. 10 Stephen Zimmerman, No. 11 Skal Labissiere)."

10/23/2014 5:57:27 PM

While I can't really get excited about vacated wins...However, I can get pretty excited about vacated national championships. That's some straight up embarrassing shit. Then again, I'd love to see them fuckers have the death penalty dropped on the entire athletic department....after all, this is department wide. Not limited to one or two sports.

All that said, I'm still not getting my hopes up for any additional NCAA action. We'll see though. I'd love to be wrong.

10/23/2014 6:06:19 PM

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"Would you rather see: A) UNC vacates all wins/banners from the last 20 years B) UNC has a post season ban for the next 20 years C) UNC has heavy scholarship reductions (say ~50%) for the next 20 years You can only pick 1 go.... "

A for sure. Take away what they cheated to win. I wouldn't want B or C because then it would make our games with them less interesting and I want to beat them at full strength.

10/23/2014 6:09:08 PM

I need to get my money out of bovada because I definitely took UNC moneyline in 2005 and 2009 and don't want them voiding that bet when they revoke those championships.

10/23/2014 6:10:24 PM

Is the death penalty something, or just words? Just trying to wrap my head around what that would mean. Like, shut down the entire athletics dept?

10/23/2014 6:12:51 PM

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"Is the death penalty something, or just words? Just trying to wrap my head around what that would mean. Like, shut down the entire athletics dept?"

I'm not sure if "death penalty" is an official NCAA term or anything..but everybody refers to what SMU football got as the "death penalty". And that was only the football program. It banned them from playing football for a year.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_penalty_(NCAA)

10/23/2014 6:15:11 PM

That's it? I was picturing a firing squad or electric chain for Roy Williams and Tyler Hansbrough

10/23/2014 6:26:04 PM

Well this is all of SMU's punishment.

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"As a result: - The 1987 season was canceled; only conditioning drills (without pads) were permitted until the spring of 1988. - All home games in 1988 were canceled. The NCAA allowed SMU to play their seven regularly scheduled away games so that other institutions would not be financially affected and so that SMU could avoid uninsurable default liabilities to those schools if its failure to uphold the contractual obligation to appear for competition was not beyond the school's control. The university ultimately chose to cancel the away games as well and to accept the uninsured "failure to appear" liability. - The team's existing probation was extended to 1990, resulting in essentially two full years of lost appearance, broadcast media, and advertising sponsorship income. Its existing ban from bowl games and live television was extended to 1989. - SMU lost 55 new scholarship positions over 4 years. - The team was allowed to hire only five full-time assistant coaches instead of the typical nine. - No off-campus recruiting was permitted until August 1988, and no paid visits could be made to campus by potential recruits until the start of the 1988–89 school year."

10/23/2014 6:28:46 PM

The punishment should be AT LEAST the Death Penalty™. What UNC did goes beyond anything uncovered in college athletics including SMU (I don't consider Penn St in the same boat because the nature of what happened was so entirely different). Every team with a player kept eligible by these classes has to vacate all wins and titles. Scholarships in every sport that was impacted by these classes should be reduced and revoked. Recruiting in all effected sports should be restricted. Every academic and athletic employee of the University tied to this scandal should be fired. Competition in any of these sports should be cancelled, and the athletes dispersed into the wind.

The only appropriate punishment for what has been done is to burn the fucking house to the ground and salt the earth.

This is literally the exact scenario the Death Penalty™ exists for; systemic, sustained academic fraud for the sake of athletic accomplishment. If the NCAA doesn't drop that bomb, then everyone should just start cheating immediately, because it will never be appropriately punished.

10/23/2014 6:54:46 PM

honestly, and i'm not the first to say this, they deserve to have their accreditation questioned. i'm sure they won't have it revoked, but this is really bad from an academics perspective as well.

and clearly three banners need to come down. are there any statues of dean that can go too?

10/23/2014 6:56:47 PM

^ I've been wondering why I haven't seen anyone else mention accreditation

10/23/2014 7:02:25 PM

I'd actually take UNC losing their accreditation if the banners don't come down. I mean I want both to happen, but I'm not gonna be all greedy about it.

10/23/2014 7:07:46 PM

I don't anyone has mentioned accreditation because that already got glossed over during the initial round of this investigation.

10/23/2014 7:09:13 PM

I've seen it mentioned a couple of times, although the context was more in the area of having their accreditation officially reviewed, rather than pulled entirely, and possibly removing the accreditation of the specific colleges/programs (AFAM and whichever others) involved.

10/23/2014 7:09:46 PM

Here's my top 3 wish list of bad things I hope to happen to UNC:

1) ALL banners and wins vacated
2) Future ban from NCAA play/loss of scholarships
3) Loss of accreditation

Hoping BuzzFeed lurks and gets lots of clicks by reposting.

10/23/2014 7:11:05 PM

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"honestly, and i'm not the first to say this, they deserve to have their accreditation questioned."

Yeah, that's the first thing that comes to mind in all of this. How did the AFAM department get accredited? How are they currently maintaining accreditation? Getting accreditation is a serious process. If the AFAM department skates then how does the entity that gives accreditation not suffer damage to their reputation? Edit: and accreditation occurs at the department level, "UNC" isn't going to lose accreditation.

Yes, it's cases like this that really define future direction. If this was a smaller school you can bet that the NCAA would make a public example out of them. UNC? I doubt much will be done. They've already been punished in the eyes of the NCAA.

I do agree though. When UNC skates every school under the NCAA umbrella should start implementing programs to do exactly what UNC did to recruit and keep athletes eligible.

What I really expect to see: More smoke and mirrors, shifting the narrative back to the topic of global amateurism in collegiate sports. Failing that, "everyone does it" so we need to reform the whole. UNC becomes the victim of the system and the system must be punished.

[Edited on October 23, 2014 at 7:15 PM. Reason : -]

10/23/2014 7:13:39 PM

Crowder accredited that mug

10/23/2014 7:18:58 PM

rofl @ brian williams on nbc news. paraphrased:

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"we've all heard the jokes of athletes taking basketweaving 101, turns out basketweaving would have been a step up at UNC."

10/23/2014 7:54:17 PM

Yeah, athletes everywhere do take easy classes, deadline leniency, extra help from tutors, things like that. That's a far cry though from what was going on at UNC. It's amazing, it's been clear for a while now that athletics ruled the roost over there, but the sheer brazenness of it all is what gets me. It's like they didn't even think this was wrong or out of the ordinary.

10/23/2014 7:59:57 PM

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"JP @Joey_Powell · 12m 12 minutes ago Disheartened by the wrongs of my alma mater, but inspired by the desire to fix it and be better for it. Always proud to be a #TarHeelForLife"

"So proud that after 20 years of systemic cheating, we have a desire to fix things, only because we got caught"

10/23/2014 8:04:21 PM

What desire to fix it?

This investigation has dragged on for years and not a damn thing has changed and only a handful of people have been punished. What a fucking joke.

10/23/2014 8:07:11 PM

https://kentucky.rivals.com/showmsg.asp?fid=1383&tid=205745633&mid=205745633&sid=888&style=2

10/23/2014 8:09:11 PM

That thread starts out OK and then it stings at the end

10/23/2014 8:14:46 PM

yea

10/23/2014 8:35:23 PM

UK likes our sloppy seconds with regards to point guards

10/23/2014 8:38:19 PM

I think we all expect athletes to get leniency. That's a far cry from the administration blatantly cheating on their behalf. 9 people have been fired I think and UNC have lost one chancellor over this. That is beyond just leniency for athletes. You have 20 years' worth of graduates from one major that their degree for most of them is considered pretty much worthless at this point, whether they are an athlete or not. An individual cheating is an isolated case with little relevance to the surroundings. The people running the department set this up, that affects all students that have gone through.

[Edited on October 23, 2014 at 8:49 PM. Reason : .]

10/23/2014 8:40:13 PM

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"Feared? They're haters and clowns like the rest of the fanbases. They just happened to be habitually bitch slapped by the most corrupt program in NCAA history and had enough of it."

I like that post from the KY board a lot lol

10/23/2014 8:47:39 PM