Lol, they're the basketball version of the Alabama fanbase. Fuck them...

10/24/2014 11:00:04 AM

http://www.theonion.com/articles/report-unc-inflated-grades-created-fake-classes-fo,37270/

Heh

10/24/2014 11:02:47 AM

The New Yorker doing its best Onion impression

http://www.newyorker.com/humor/borowitz-report/u-n-c-boosters-outraged-athletes-took-real-classes

10/24/2014 11:03:40 AM

you know it's bad when theonion runs your story straight up.

10/24/2014 11:05:00 AM

10/24/2014 11:12:54 AM

Anyone following Duke's fanbase? What are their general thoughts? I'm sure they are less cynical than us...you know...the 'evil twin and shit and we're the retarded cousin'.

10/24/2014 11:26:56 AM

I don't have time to read the emails at work, but luckily

10/24/2014 11:34:30 AM

http://sports.yahoo.com/news/why-the-unc-scandal-is-ncaa-president-mark-emmert-s-chance-at-redemption-160034290.html?soc_src=mediacontentsharebuttons

10/24/2014 12:03:22 PM

Pack Pride is a bunch of goddamn loonies. But they're our loonies.

10/24/2014 12:12:31 PM

just found this in the footnotes of page 39 of the report. hadn't seen it anywhere else.

Quote :

"71 We did not find any such lists in our email review, but that is not necessarily surprising. To the extent these lists were sent by email, a large amount of email traffic was lost when the Chapel Hill systems were upgraded over the course of time, including in 2010-2011. Also, it is quite conceivable that Crowder and Reynolds deleted emails from their accounts to keep their email boxes below university-imposed size limits or for other reasons."

10/24/2014 12:12:52 PM

18 YEARS

18 YEARS

10/24/2014 12:18:09 PM

They made a got-damn ring for "winning" their division...on the year of bowl ban...to make themselves feel good. Shit still makes me go w.t.f.

Take them banners down.

10/24/2014 12:21:04 PM

Started reading the report and saw this:

Quote :

"In about the fall of 1999, Crowder revised her approach and added standard lecture courses to her course offerings. These classes had all the same attributes as the irregular independent studies classes, with no work requirements beyond the submission of papers that were graded by Crowder. Unlike the independent study paper classes, however, these were listed on the course schedule as lecture classes, often with meeting dates, times and classrooms assigned. Despite those entries on the course schedule, these classes never actually met, the students never had to appear in class, and their only interaction with the AFAM Department was through Crowder."

Let's say you're an undergraduate student at Chapel Hill, say an English major that for an elective decides "I'm going to take Black Nationalism". First day you show up...and no one's there except you and a couple other people that aren't aware on what the gig is. After wondering "am I in the wrong classroom?" and going to find someone to confirm you're not, there will be no class, word would have to spread on this around the student population don't you think?

edit: it did, I just had to read on, but that struck me as odd

Quote :

"Over time, the paper classes became very popular among certain groups on campus, and by the summer of 2011 there were 3,933 undergraduate enrollments in these classes. Of these enrollments, 2,081 were by non-athlete undergraduate students. Some of the students were genuinely interested in the subject matter and took the class and its paper assignment seriously. Others were simply attracted to the ease with which one could satisfy the paper requirement and obtain a high grade for very little work. Members of certain fraternities, for example, started to sign up for these paper classes, causing Crowder to bemoan to one assistant dean in 2005 that word about them had “gotten into the frat circuit.”"

[Edited on October 24, 2014 at 12:33 PM. Reason : /]

10/24/2014 12:30:19 PM

Poll Skew: http://www.msnbc.com/news-nation/do-you-think-the-ncaa-should-take-away-uncs-national-championships-won-during-the

10/24/2014 12:30:45 PM

http://www.wral.com/news/education/video/14109387/

The student interviewed at 1:49 made me lol. So much passion for her AFAM classes

10/24/2014 12:42:01 PM

Good NPR story http://www.npr.org/2014/10/23/358363514/new-details-revealed-in-university-of-north-carolina-academic-scandal

Interview with Folt: http://wunc.org/post/unc-chancellor-report-reveals-shocking-lack-checks-and-balances

10/24/2014 12:49:52 PM

Quote :

"and going to find someone to confirm you're not, there will be no class, word would have to spread on this around the student population don't you think?"

Of course word would spread. And that's the real problem, here. Not that a curriculum for jocks would be incredibly easy (duuuhhhh)....but that an entire discipline of academia would become de-legitimized as a result.

They could have picked ANY major, but they specifically chose this one? That's pretty fucked up, in my opinion. No way in hell would the university allow English Lit or Women's Studies to be disgraced like this. And that, to me, is the real shame. An entire academic department at an esteemed public university (whether we want to admit it or not, UNC has a favorable reputation on the whole, this scandal notwithstanding) has been shamefully exposed, and it now brings into question the integrity of similar majors at other universities that had nothing to do with what happened at UNC.

Shits beat up, yo.

10/24/2014 12:51:39 PM

That hasn't been her experience???

That's kind of the point

10/24/2014 12:53:30 PM

^^ don't you dare make this about race. this is about carolina taking banners down.

10/24/2014 12:57:28 PM

it should be clear at this point that racism is playing a role here.

"A bunch of black students taking courses about black people? That doesn't sound suspicious at all!"

10/24/2014 1:02:03 PM

everything doesn't have to be about race. come on now.

10/24/2014 1:04:37 PM

it doesn't...but this kind of is.

Look, I want to see UNC punished just as much as anyone (and more importantly, I want them to suck for a long time so that State can finally have a moment in the sun).


But let's keep it real, man. Football and Basketball players taking fake classes in Swahili? That's just embarrassing, man.

10/24/2014 1:09:51 PM

I mean, if I were about to make a racist joke....


It would start with: "So, some basketball players were in Swahili class today......"



And that's what makes this situation even worse, in my opinion.

10/24/2014 1:11:50 PM

Hansbrough was their dumbest student though

10/24/2014 1:21:53 PM

The Professor was pissed because he was in Swahili 3 but didn't even know how to say "Hello"

10/24/2014 1:25:37 PM

^^The point is that they threw one specific department completely under the bus in order to chase wins. That's basically admitting, as an institution, that they don't value the subject matter of that department. Yet they still offered the degree program.


Clearly, they would not do that to their Law or Journalism departments, now would they?

[Edited on October 24, 2014 at 1:30 PM. Reason : ]

10/24/2014 1:26:16 PM

no, you right

10/24/2014 1:27:32 PM

guy on a Facebook thread I'm reading arguing "everyone does it"... a UNC basketball fan, but admits he "didn't go to school there"... this is what he looks like



(I know I'm not really adding anything to this thread, but I mean, dear god. look at that asshole)

[Edited on October 24, 2014 at 1:32 PM. Reason : ]

10/24/2014 1:31:19 PM

lol

10/24/2014 1:34:14 PM

Quote :

"The point is that they threw one specific department completely under the bus in order to chase wins. That's basically admitting, as an institution, that they don't value the subject matter of that department. Yet they still offered the degree program."

that really doesn't seem to be how this happened, at least to me. it was a case of a lack of oversight, but it's also not racist to implicitly acknowledge that an african and afro-american studies department is not as important as your law school.

10/24/2014 1:35:11 PM

But they were specifically funneling retards athletes into that department, where they not?

As in, "You're too stupid to take a real college course, so take these classes that aren't real."

[Edited on October 24, 2014 at 1:38 PM. Reason : ]

10/24/2014 1:37:11 PM

so what? it's an easy major. that's not racist, that's just the state of all "social sciences".

10/24/2014 1:37:54 PM

I feel like if it were Women’s & Gender Studies instead, that there'd be more outrage about it than it has now. Says more about how loud women are when they complain though

10/24/2014 1:38:16 PM

If they had tried to put their athlete's through fake pre-med classes, they likely would have been found out much faster.

It's not a matter of race, it's just making a believable back story.

10/24/2014 1:39:06 PM

^^ agreed agreed. which is a shame, b/c african and afro-american studies sounds like a much more legitimate field than women's studies.

^ it's not even about that, i don't think. i think it's just about what already-easy department has a cooperative admin? i really don't think anyone in a smokey room somewhere said "let's start an AFAM department so that people will believe our basketball players' high(er) GPAs". if anything they should get credit for having the department at all, even if this happened.

10/24/2014 1:39:19 PM

^^^And that's my point. If I were a real scholar in that field, I'd be fuckin' livid, man. They clearly chose the department that they felt would generate the least resistance. That's a total admission that they don't value that subject matter AT ALL. But they'll happily take a student's money and hand them a "degree" for their "work."


That's some borderline, University of Phoenix shit, son.

[Edited on October 24, 2014 at 1:42 PM. Reason : ]

10/24/2014 1:41:05 PM

http://www.wral.com/unc-president-on-academic-fraud-we-will-do-more-/14111883/#KBYe41Z3iJruHS2Z.99

lol

10/24/2014 1:41:37 PM

There's an image to the Swahili 301 final in the report:

10/24/2014 1:42:43 PM

Quote :

"^And that's my point. If I were a real scholar in that field, I'd be fuckin' livid, man. They clearly chose the department that they felt would generate the least resistance."

so if you chose a profession that was based entirely about race, and other people didn't take it seriously, you'd scream racism?

good to know.

10/24/2014 1:42:53 PM

I don't think you really understand my position, here.

10/24/2014 1:43:56 PM

i understand it, i just think you're being a little too sensitive, and a lot too conspiratorial.

10/24/2014 1:44:42 PM

but what about art history, dramatic art, music, studio art, american studies, asian studies, classics, comparative literature, english, germanic and slavic languages, Latin American studies, latino studies (apparently they're different), religous studies, sexuality studies, women's and gener studies, public relations, contemporary european studies, peace, war and defense, sustainability studies, etc?

10/24/2014 1:45:03 PM

Pretty sure you're applying that to me.

I agree with you that they probably chose the major after the inception of said major. I just find it curious that they chose that major. And by curious, I mean, totally predictable.

10/24/2014 1:46:13 PM

as far as i understand the timeline, no one "chose" the AFAM department. they discovered easy independent studies, and in doing so found an admin that was very friendly to making things happen for athletes.

as far as i understand, no one at the top level of UNC sat down and said "let's put a schmuck in the AFAM department so we can funnel students there." if that's what happened, then okay. but i don't think it is.

10/24/2014 1:48:07 PM

NOW GIVE MY UNC DEGREE!

10/24/2014 1:51:32 PM

From what I've read, the fraud sprouted organically in AFAM and was left to perpetuate because it benefitted athletics with keeping athletes eligible.

I do believe that if it was another "important" major like journalism, law, etc., that UNC would have shut that shit down. That's not to stay that they may have replicated it in another "lesser" department but that's pure speculation.

10/24/2014 1:52:34 PM

That distinction is trivial, in my opinion.

Whether or not it was sprang up organically is beside the point. The fact that they allowed it to continue in this department (when we all know they'd shut it down in a more distinguished department) is the real embarrassment.


Oh, it's just Afro-studies. Nobody cares. It's not real. Keep it rollin'


That's just as bad, in my opinion, as hand-picking that department from the onset. The sequence of events doesn't really change things.

10/24/2014 1:56:19 PM

I didn't listen much yesterday, but didn't I read that Adam & Joe kept saying that "This closes the book on the scandal"?

Now Ovies is saying this: http://www.wralsportsfan.com/more-curiosity-not-closure-for-tar-heels/14111341/

10/24/2014 1:59:01 PM

^^ Look. I'm sure when they figured it out that they can get away with it in the first couple years...they continue on with it. Why change to a different department to raise suspension? Don't fix what is not broken.

[Edited on October 24, 2014 at 1:59 PM. Reason : ^]

10/24/2014 1:59:07 PM

New page pls

10/24/2014 2:01:43 PM