Am I the only person who saw Clemson's d line rape our offense yesterday

No way we would have converted a fourth down

[Edited on November 7, 2010 at 2:33 PM. Reason : We had exactly 5 rushing yards in the fourth quarter I mean come on]

[Edited on November 7, 2010 at 2:33 PM. Reason : And was Greene even in the game]

11/7/2010 2:32:18 PM

i love how the losing threads are all boogered with "but" and "what ifs"

11/7/2010 2:32:56 PM

Well in that case, we should've just conceded the game with 3 minutes to go if we couldn't get a yard cause we'd never get into field goal range

11/7/2010 2:33:41 PM

you can't say there was no way.

i think we should have gone for it, BUT WE GOT THE BALL BACK AND HAD OUR SHOT

if you are blaming this one fuckup, please rewatch the game and notice all the opportunities Clemson and the refs gave us to win this game. I swear to god we had every chance and fucked it up, I bet if we had gone for it and gotten it we would have fucked up after anyway.

just deal with it folks, grab a beer, and move on.

11/7/2010 2:34:02 PM

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"Well in that case, we should've just conceded the game with 3 minutes to go"

DURP DURP DURP

Bunch of fucking Madden playing retards in this thread

11/7/2010 2:34:24 PM

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"Am I the only person who saw Clemson's d line rape our offense yesterday"

Am I the only person who saw us fail to convert from the 1 yard line three times in a row against FSU

No way we convert 4th and goal at the 1

[Edited on November 7, 2010 at 2:37 PM. Reason : i dont play madden btw. NFL2k5 > *]

11/7/2010 2:36:57 PM

Are you arguing against it? By your logic we couldn't get 1 yard so how do you expect us to get 20+?

11/7/2010 2:37:01 PM

what are you guys talking about? Lots of people loved that punt call. They were all wearing orange, though

11/7/2010 2:37:11 PM

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"Punting was the single worst decision I have ever seen made in a football game hands down."

You must have missed the Notre Dame v. Tulsa game.

It was a bad call. It wasn't that bad of a call.

11/7/2010 2:39:21 PM

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"Am I the only person who saw us fail to convert from the 1 yard line three times in a row against FSU No way we convert 4th and goal at the 1"

Such an entirely different situation that I feel like an idiot for even typing this response

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"By your logic we couldn't get 1 yard so how do you expect us to get 20+?"

Are you really trying to get semantic here

I'd give us a shot at getting 20+ yards in FOUR DOWNS because we were able to move the ball in chunks all day

I give us no shot at getting 1 yard in ONE DOWN in that situation because it would have been shitty James Washington against Clemson's d line

(I mean I give us a statistically insignificant chance at converting, but the smart play was to punt the ball. Leffler had, to that point, put them inside the 20 consistently)

11/7/2010 2:40:09 PM

so then, maybe we could do like we did against FSU and do something UNEXPECTED and roll the QB out and let something develop...

[Edited on November 7, 2010 at 2:42 PM. Reason : ]

11/7/2010 2:42:10 PM

as shitty as washington is he's actually been decent in short yardage situations this year. converted a lot of 3rd and 1s/2s and even one 4th down I believe

why? because it's not that fucking hard to get 1 yard. we should have a play for that. we did against FSU. maybe you pass, maybe you have RW rollout (this is what we did on 3rd and 2 the play before and he got...1 yard)

you fail and...yea, youre right, we get the ball back on our side of the field if the defense stops them. basically what happened

i'll take that over getting the ball back once needing 30ish yards for a FG

11/7/2010 2:43:45 PM

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"so then, maybe we could do like we did against FSU and do something UNEXPECTED and roll the QB out and let something develop..."

Yeah, apparently to Ernie, there is only one call for a 4th and 1.



[Edited on November 7, 2010 at 2:45 PM. Reason : .]

11/7/2010 2:44:40 PM

Seriously, though, what happened to Moose?

11/7/2010 2:44:53 PM

What if the moon were your car and Jupiter was your hairbrush?

11/7/2010 2:45:13 PM

im pretty sure greene got doghouse'd after the fumble (stupid to do it for the rest of the game when your other rb is 3rd string, but im not the one defending the coaching decisions here)

it's also possible he got dinged up

11/7/2010 2:47:38 PM

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"just deal with it folks, grab a beer, and move on."

11/7/2010 3:36:20 PM

did i see a record 4 yard punt yesterday

11/7/2010 3:51:06 PM

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"^Haynes didnt play b/c of concussion"

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"dang packboozie i thought you were smarter than that man"

We clearly missed Haynes out there yesterday. The passing game was worse and our run game was very predictable using one back.

[Edited on November 7, 2010 at 3:53 PM. Reason : some people can't understand sarcasm]

11/7/2010 3:52:06 PM

FOUR YARD PUNT

11/7/2010 4:04:20 PM

How did we lose with mustafa starting? That doesn't make sense.

11/7/2010 4:16:26 PM

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"Unfortunately, if you bet on a 3 game parlay, losing 1 loses the entire bet. Stupid fucking call. "

11/7/2010 4:20:22 PM

I watched a few minutes of the bethune-cookman vs hampton game yesterday and saw a negative yardage punt.

11/7/2010 4:29:34 PM

^ who?

11/7/2010 4:47:08 PM

The Bethune-Cookman Wildcats vs. the Hampton Pirates!

11/7/2010 4:49:38 PM

did that game get a better rating than ECU vs whoever ECU played?

11/7/2010 4:58:12 PM

^ECU played Navy and got raped 76-35 or so

Apparently everyone missed my post on page 45;

Re: We get a good punt off:

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"Just to beat the dead horse a little more, I thought about the punt a bit, and assumed this: The punt puts Clemson on the 20 yard line (we were on the 40?, either gets between 10-20 or it goes for a touchback). Clemson goes 3 and out as TOB hoped. They punt and we get it back on the NC State 40 yard line, 3 minutes to go, no time outs. We still need to drive all the way down to what, the 20 yard line, before TOB is confident in our kicker to punch in a game winning field goal, as we have had a definitive "4 down territory" this season no matter what the score or time remaining is. I'm not confident that our offense wouldn't still just grip and rip their way to field goal range, given the coaching they had on that final failed drive...and hell the rest of the game."

Seeing our offensive play calling on that final drive, no way we would've driven down the field to FG range. At least before the punt we had offensive momentum and could've rolled out Wilson to pass to Greene in the flats...like the TD play. (if i recall correctly that is)

11/7/2010 6:12:39 PM

That's too logical for some people here.

11/7/2010 6:17:02 PM

With a good punt, Clemson going three and out from the ~20, we would have needed about 35 yards to get back into field goal range

The drive where we punted, we drove...

Take a guess...

35 yards

So yeah, I guess that would have been impossible

11/7/2010 6:24:37 PM

And what did our final drive end up being? 7 plays for 11yds. Yup. lot of good that punt and 3 and out did.

11/7/2010 6:29:31 PM

where are you putting a clemson punt at from the 20 yard line? the 50?

11/7/2010 6:29:51 PM

20 yard line + 40 net yard punt + 35 yard drive = ball on the Clemson 25, which is the edge of Czjaja's range

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"And what did our final drive end up being? 7 plays for 11yds."

Play calling from your own 15 is a lot different than play calling from your own 40

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"lot of good that punt"

Man, fucking read already

I've said all along that punt was the problem

Never would any coach factor a four yard punt into his decision

Had the punt gone well, Clemson gone three and out, and our offense just flopped at midfield, the reaction would be totally different

[Edited on November 7, 2010 at 6:39 PM. Reason : ]

11/7/2010 6:33:25 PM

if if if

11/7/2010 6:40:59 PM

I mean

That's what the discussion is about, right?

Hypothetical situations?

And there's only one if here: the bounce on the punt. Everything else is almost guaranteed. That's why TOB made the decision immediately

11/7/2010 6:46:32 PM

if leffler gets off a good punt
if clemson goes 3 and out
if we don't rough the punter
if we don't muff the punt return
if we can go 30yds+
if chacowski doesn't miss

that's a lot of ifs

11/7/2010 6:51:23 PM

leffler gets off a good punt -- This is the only one that mattered
if clemson goes 3 and out -- They did
if we don't rough the punter -- Not a factor
if we don't muff the punt return -- Not a factor
if we can go 30yds+ -- We did
if chacowski doesn't miss -- It's an if either way

There are as many inane ifs involved in going for it

11/7/2010 6:56:12 PM

It was a shit call.

Thead fucking over.

11/7/2010 6:56:36 PM

You might as well be arguing with this guy Ernie

11/7/2010 6:57:34 PM

I'm just trying to make another one of Ernie's lists.

11/7/2010 7:00:43 PM

Lists?

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"Thead fucking over."

OH OK BOSS

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11/7/2010 7:03:03 PM

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11/7/2010 7:06:15 PM

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11/7/2010 7:10:05 PM

ha thought it looked familiar. damn, guess I don't have a reason to argue now.

11/7/2010 7:13:28 PM

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"if we can go 30yds+ -- We did"

what final drive were you watching where we went 30 yards?

11/7/2010 7:15:10 PM

Sorry

We just did

On the drive we punted

11/7/2010 7:18:08 PM

again, what drive were you watching for that one? we moved 11, 3, 5, and 1 yard. you can't count on clempson to bail you out w/ a PI every drive, you know.

even then, based on how we did play that final drive, what makes you think it would have been any different than throwing bullshit long bombs when all we needed was 5-10 yds a play?

[Edited on November 7, 2010 at 7:20 PM. Reason : ]

11/7/2010 7:19:55 PM

A 35 yard drive is a 35 yard drive

If I can't use it for my argument, then you guys can't use it for the "we had momentum" argument

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"even then, based on how we did play that final drive, what makes you think it would have been any different than throwing bullshit long bombs when all we needed was 5-10 yds a play?"

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"Play calling from your own 15 is a lot different than play calling from your own 40"

I'm not going to spend the next hour repeating myself

Read my posts, let me know when you finish and if you have anything new to add to the conversation

You might want to review the rules of football while you're at it


[Edited on November 7, 2010 at 7:22 PM. Reason : ]

11/7/2010 7:21:27 PM

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"We clearly missed Haynes out there yesterday. The passing game was worse and our run game was very predictable using one back."

maybe i'm misunderstanding some sarcasm, or just the intarwebs in general, but my point was that i think greene starting had little to nothing to do with us losing.. piss, just because someone starts doesn't mean they should stay in. we were clearly missing a lot of things saturday and good blocking was definitely one of them. our o-line looked like swiss cheese, and i don't know about greene but washington couldn't block for crap from what i noticed.

and why we only seem to have one or two run plays in the book i have no idea.

what an embarrassing week...

[Edited on November 7, 2010 at 7:22 PM. Reason : ]

11/7/2010 7:22:02 PM

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"If I can't use it for my argument, then you guys can't use it for the "we had momentum" argument"

bullshit. the length of the drive doesn't affect whether we had momentum, and you know it. we did have momentum. the decision to punt nullified that.

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"I'm not going to spend the next hour repeating myself"

you aint repeating shit. based on other games, there's no reason to think that our end-game play-calling would be any different. moreover, I'll take the exact example given here: long bombs when 5-10 yd plays would do. Hell, we were doing that with 2 fucking minutes left! plenty of fucking time, where you DON'T need to throw long bombs. if you've only got 30 seconds left, then I can understand it. 2 minutes? give me a break!

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"You might want to review the rules of football while you're at it"

HURF DURF DURF DURF!!!

[Edited on November 7, 2010 at 7:29 PM. Reason : ]

11/7/2010 7:29:02 PM

omg. can't believe I agree with burro. Believe we had just under 3:00 on the last drive. Granted based on the other drives in the half, there was really no reason to think we'd drive that far without a couple bailout penalties or clemson playing prevent.

11/7/2010 7:32:24 PM