lol

5/13/2015 2:56:18 PM

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"id say paige was most reliable. any game i watched of them that little shit would hit a big 3.. or two of them especially when they needed it most."

Paige was reliable - but you're ignoring his pitiful start to the season. He was pretty average, or worse, until he hit that game winner vs Louisville. That doesn't make him streaky? And Paige had a higher 3PT% than Turner - so that's hardly going out on a limb.

It's easy to call Turner "streaky" because he had one damn job and if he's threes weren't falling he was of absolutely no use to the team. Lacey and Cat both had horrid shooting nights too - but they could do more and brought more to the table so it's easier to overlook a bad shooting night and not think of it as "streaky" or "unreliable". I don't even disagree that Turner is streaky. Most shooters are. Unless we're comparing him to JJ Redick then he was quite reliable. Dude was reliable enough to keep defenses very honest on him every single game. Defenses always had to account for him when he was on the court - even on an off night they couldn't leave him open. If defenses respect you that much then you're "reliable"

Jesus this argument is stupid./

5/13/2015 4:55:50 PM

cotdam, the internet has an echo, too.

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"streaky is as relative a term as sn2 nucleophilic substitution. Even Lacey would have off nights. Ralston go the most heat from it because that was basically his one damn job, but he was good enough such that an opposing defense always honored his shot."

[Edited on May 13, 2015 at 5:06 PM. Reason : s]

5/13/2015 5:04:56 PM

^lol. was gonna quote you and agree...but was on my phone and it's hard to copy + paste + quote different posts on the phone.

5/13/2015 7:24:44 PM

What about Nick Papageorgio?

5/13/2015 10:05:20 PM

^From Yuma?

5/14/2015 8:05:56 AM

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/reliable

reliable
[ri-lahy-uh-buh l]
Spell Syllables
Synonyms Examples Word Origin
adjective
1.
that may be relied on or trusted; dependable in achievement, accuracy, honesty, etc.:

5/14/2015 9:08:30 AM

the #6 3PT shooter in the ACC is quite dependable in accuracy and most definitely HONEST

5/14/2015 12:09:53 PM

The only thing you could depend on Turner to do was miss a clutch shot late in the game

5/14/2015 2:25:48 PM

If you don't think Turner was one of the most "reliable" 3-point shooters in the ACC, then you must not watch a lot of basketball other than State games (and even then, what other State player was a more "reliable" three-point shooter in the last decade or more, except for Wood? Maybe Atsur, or Evtiomov?). 6th best percentage on the most attempts in the ACC is about as "reliable" as you can get, in regards to a three-point shooter.

[Edited on May 14, 2015 at 2:42 PM. Reason : RECRUITING!!!!1]

5/14/2015 2:40:44 PM

I think we'll be fine with our floor spacing this upcoming season. Henderson should be a better version of Turner. He's a catch & shoot guy who can also actually score from inside the arc. Martin can be expected to improve his outside shooting, and Kirk will be able to hit some 3's when he gets in the game. Plus Cat was absolutely deadly from back there in the 2nd half of ACC play. That's 4 perimeter guys who can shoot.

The big difference week be Cat facilitating full-time, rather than deferring to Lacey so much. And honestly, that could be a good thing. Lacey was an incredible player, but his long spot-up 2's were just not very efficient. Cat looked terrible in the first half of ACC play, but apparently that was due to some personal issues he was going through. We played our best basketball down the stretch when Cat was the guy making things happen. The offense flowed better and the bigs were more involved.

I like the inside-outside balance of this team if Cat can put it together, and Abu/Martin build on solid freshman campaigns. We have a good mix of size, experience, athleticism and shooting. Not much depth, however. What are the odds that we add a Sr transfer?

5/14/2015 2:53:26 PM

TJ Warren was reliable. Ralston Turner was not.

5/14/2015 3:08:03 PM

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"(what other State player was a more "reliable" three-point shooter in the last decade or more, except for Wood? Maybe Atsur, or Evtiomov?). 6th best percentage on the most attempts in the ACC is about as "reliable" as you can get, in regards to a three-point shooter."

Yes, Turner led the league in 3's. But he only hit 36.7% of his attempts. It was a down year for outside shooting in the ACC and Turner was jacking them. Let's not pretend he was a true sharpshooter.

In the past decade Wood, Lacey, Atsur, Bethel, Bennerman, Fells and Evtimov have all posted seasons with a higher 3pt% on decent volume (3+ attempts per game). That's not counting Cat, CJ Williams, Horner, Grant and Horner, who all had seasons where they were pretty damn reliable from back there. Turner's floor spacing will be missed, but not much else. Stop acting like his shooting can't be replaced.

5/14/2015 3:17:02 PM

i didn't say his shooting can't be replaced. in fact, at the top of the current page of the basketball thread I said Henderson and Martin should be able to fill his spot pretty seamlessly. I just think it's stupid to act like he wasn't one of the better three-point shooters in the ACC because he missed some shots at the end of some games (like every other basketball player ever).

5/14/2015 3:22:49 PM

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"i didn't say his shooting can't be replaced. in fact, at the top of the current page of the basketball thread I said Henderson and Martin should be able to fill his spot pretty seamlessly. I just think it's stupid to act like he wasn't one of the better three-point shooters in the ACC because he missed some shots at the end of some games (like every other basketball player ever)."

exactly - and every indication is that henderson is much more versatile than turner and brings more than just a jump shot to the table. but the "turner was not reliable" folks have been spoiled by 6 years of wood and turner, imo.

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"That's not counting Cat, CJ Williams, Horner, Grant and Horner,"

gavin grant was not a good 3 point shooter. his senior year his percentage was good (39%) but he only made 30 3PTers. that's like 1 3PT FG per game. grant wasn't much a 3PT shooter. CJ Williams was a career 30% 3PT shooter. And come on - you can't count Horner twice

[Edited on May 14, 2015 at 3:58 PM. Reason : d]

5/14/2015 3:58:05 PM

(just picking two the guys you listed:

bethel, never shot over 157 3-pointers in one season, and only shot over 37% one season.

bennerman only shot 151 his senior season at 34% (and only shot 100 his junior year, and not over 26 his freshman and sophomore years)

Turner shot 37% two seasons in a row, attempting 207 his junior year and 256 his senior year...

...so neither of those two examples are nearly as "reliable" a 3-point shooter as ralston)

5/14/2015 4:23:54 PM

Turner took a lot of difficult threes running 100 mph around screens as well as threes with guys in his face. When he got a wide open three...that shit was normally money. That's being reliable.

5/14/2015 4:36:29 PM

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"In the past decade Wood, Lacey, Atsur, Bethel, Bennerman, Fells and Evtimov have all posted seasons with a higher 3pt% on decent volume (3+ attempts per game). That's not counting Cat, CJ Williams, Horner, Grant and Horner, who all had seasons where they were pretty damn reliable from back there. Turner's floor spacing will be missed, but not much else. Stop acting like his shooting can't be replaced."

Mother fucker just ignoring the greatest three point shooter of this generation to attend NC State , Jordan Collins.

5/14/2015 4:37:43 PM

jesus christ Bullet. You don't have to use parentheses in every post.

5/14/2015 4:55:54 PM

(L Ron Hubbard aimorris. you don't have to be a dick every time you address me. i like parentheses, deal with it)

5/14/2015 4:59:07 PM

5/14/2015 5:11:38 PM

it's hard to compare anybody besides Wood to Turner because all these other names getting mentioned did things besides shoot 3s. outside of Wood, we haven't had a player whose sole job is to jack up as many 3s as possible each game in recent memory. so comparing gavin grant to turner when it comes to 3 point shooting is a complete apples to oranges comparison. like jbrick83 said, none of those other guys were running off multiple screens, baseline to baseline just to maybe get a 3PT shot up. other teams didn't game plan to specifically stop grant or cj williams from shooting 3s.

5/14/2015 5:18:36 PM

Have we gotten a commit from Dennis Smith Jr. yet? Our whole future in recruiting is counting on it. You're our only hope Dennis.

5/14/2015 10:06:56 PM

^ Get that out of here. This thread clearly is no longer about recruiting.

5/14/2015 10:08:27 PM

you can tell it's the offseason when people fight over two pages of a thread about the definition of "reliable"

5/14/2015 10:12:42 PM

Sorry, I think I started that fire and watched it burn from the distance

5/15/2015 1:58:06 AM

I enjoy the offseason passion for basketball.

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"JIMMIES AINT RUSTLED"

5/15/2015 9:24:24 AM

Since this was a circle jerk about a words definition I ventured to PackPride. Aside from being horrified in general at the stupidity I did see that if Gibbs commits to UConn as expected this weekend we are looking at Eli Carter. I know tower hates him but what role exactly would he fill. He was decent at Rutgers but has seemingly regressed quite a bit. Maybe he puts it together in his last year but not exactly hopeful.

Is anyone else on the radar. People seem to think Gott believes we will add one more player..

5/15/2015 9:25:03 AM

While an impact player would be nice, I just want us to have another ball-handler/back-up PG to spell Cat for a few minutes a game. That's very difficult to find, because most 5th year transfers also want a good deal of playing time. Hopefully we get lucky and find another Alex Johnson.

5/15/2015 9:55:45 AM

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"what role exactly would he fill?"

He will step right in and contribute enough turnovers to compensate what we lost with Dez.

5/15/2015 9:56:25 AM

That's what scares me. His A/TO is barely over 1. And that as a fourth year player against weaker competitor.

5/15/2015 11:28:50 AM

Still, if that's the best grad transfer we can get, it's better than no one. It's not a waste to give a one year scholarship when it's not taking that spot from someone better.

5/15/2015 12:41:49 PM

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"@GoodmanESPN Florida transfer Eli Carter told ESPN he is looking at Boston College, Georgetown, Clemson and is also considering staying in Gainesville."

5/15/2015 1:25:07 PM

So staying in Gainesville just means he wouldn't play ball at all, right?

5/15/2015 4:43:45 PM

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"Pack Pride ?@PackPride 1m1 minute ago Pack Pride retweeted Jon Rothstein Seton Hall transfer @SterlingGibbs4 is a major target for NC State. Averaged 16+ last season. Pack Pride added, Jon Rothstein @JonRothstein Seton Hall transfer Sterling Gibbs told @CBSSports he will visit NC State this week. Immediately eligible."

5/16/2015 3:12:52 PM

We beat Villanova
He "beat" Villanova

match made in heaven

5/16/2015 3:54:44 PM

Commited to UCONN

5/16/2015 9:11:15 PM

Don't want a guy that'd lie to @cbssports anyway

5/16/2015 9:22:12 PM

Lol

5/16/2015 10:16:37 PM

I blame Rodney Purvis

5/18/2015 4:22:31 PM

So Eli Carter and/or that guy from Vegas Vacation are still on the table for 2015? Nothing else popping up?

5/20/2015 12:06:17 PM

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"Charlotte transfer Torin Dorn told ESPN he will visit NC State this weekend."

6'5" guard who won CUSA Freshman of the Year last year averaging 12 points, 3.7 rebounds, and 1.3 assists over 27.5 minutes per game. Shot 50.5% overall, 34.2% from 3 (and 65.6% from the line, which makes no sense). Listing us along with Texas, Miami, and Florida.

5/27/2015 11:17:04 AM

I've seen his name pop up recently, is he going to have to sit a year?

5/27/2015 11:25:42 AM

Everything I've read indicates that he will have to sit out next year, then have 3 years of eligibility remaining.

We're also recruiting his brother, Myles, in football. He's a 3* 2016 DB out of Charlotte. Sounds like Wake and Carolina are the strongest competition.

5/27/2015 11:53:37 AM

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". Shot 50.5% overall, 34.2% from 3 (and 65.6% from the line, which makes no sense)"

Why does that make no sense?

5/27/2015 4:08:44 PM

he has a relatively high FG% and a not so great FT%

5/27/2015 4:40:48 PM

That is pretty normal. I would guess fg% is more inversely related to FT% rather than directly bc the higher the FG, the more likely the guy is a big man.

I would bet this guys shot chart is heavy at the rim, he isn't shooting 50 on midrange

[Edited on May 27, 2015 at 5:07 PM. Reason : A]

5/27/2015 5:05:58 PM

Yeah, it would make sense if he's a big man, but he's not. He's a 6'5" guard. I get what you're saying about his playing style though, and having never seen him play other than in highlights, I have no idea aside from the fact that 25-30% of his shots are from beyond the arc so it'd make sense if he's more of a slasher.

Edit: Nothing official, but sounds like the Eli Carter ship has sailed.

[Edited on May 27, 2015 at 7:28 PM. Reason : ]

5/27/2015 7:22:54 PM

yea i mean its extremely rare to shoot 50% from midrange (actually i'm semi-guessing this for college but in the NBA its def true, only exception is Chris Paul), so i'm assuming this guy makes his money at the rim.

yea i mean lacey and barber were both similar but not quite as bad at FT's and not quite as good FG

also tj warren was .622 FG and .542 FT his frosh season

5/27/2015 7:34:10 PM

What's this I'm hearing about an albino?

IbtHyatt

5/28/2015 9:20:37 PM