you can tell from the opener that carls character has changed. he has more responsibility and seems to be treated as much more of an adult, less whiny and stupid. hopefully I wont have to hear you people bitch about him anymore

10/15/2012 11:41:33 PM

Hopefully us people won't feel the need to.

10/15/2012 11:52:01 PM

10/16/2012 12:21:15 AM

Carl's TV character is catching up to the comic character... ie- less annoying, more badass.

When Michonne's character gets formally introduced, I'm sure they will explain the story behind her zombie slaves.

I am liking that is SEEMS they are going to follow the comics a bit closer this season from what I've reasoned. I hate having had to compare TV to book in the past. With future plots, it would really behove them to stick to the comics as closely as possible. Although it seems like the 'prison' plot is progressing pretty quickly as well as Lori's pregnancy.

I bring this up sparingly because it isn't really a spoiler at this point since Dale is dead, but wasn't it Dale who was the one that got his leg chopped off from a zombie bite in the books? It's not much of a big deal. I'm just wondering why they felt the need to throw that in the show when the character it was significant to has already been killed off.

10/16/2012 7:41:00 AM

^Dale was the second person to get his leg cut off after a bite in the books. I think the other either bled out or died from infection.

10/16/2012 8:09:56 AM

I know it's a show about zombies, so suspend disbelief about random shit blah blah blah...

However, there's no way that Michonne is strong enough to chop off 2 heads with one swing of the sword. No. freaking. way.


Regardless awesome episode!

[Edited on October 16, 2012 at 10:37 AM. Reason : k]

10/16/2012 10:36:51 AM

If it is a legit samurai sword, it is very believable.

Though a year's worth of killing zombies would have dulled it considerably.

10/16/2012 10:45:31 AM

I have a samurai sword and I chopped an orange in half in mid-air. Therefore this is plausible.

Couple questions - Was the implication that the prisoners were locked up in there with supplies? There's no way they could have survived that long unless they were eating people.

10/16/2012 10:48:09 AM

I'm sure she keeps that shit honed, she's a warrior.

Plus factor in several months worth of rot for the zombies and it makes them that much easier to lop off a couple heads in a go.

All said and done I liked this premiere a lot. If they keep this kind of momentum going it'll be a quality season. Especially Carl, he was almost cool while going through that house in the 1st scene. I can see them letting Herschel go/die now that they have more characters to introduce between the prision and the Governor.

10/16/2012 10:55:54 AM

I like that time has elapsed since the previous season... which is different from season 1/2 where it was a direct continuation.

10/16/2012 11:13:38 AM

Zombie flesh is soft and pulp like. Why else could an 70 year old man and a small child jam metal rods completely thru their skulls with ease? The challenge in lopping two heads at once would be more the angle than the resistance, as the blade would have to remain perfectly straight across a relatively wide swath to hit the sweet spot on both necks.

10/16/2012 11:44:51 AM

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"Was the implication that the prisoners were locked up in there with supplies? There's no way they could have survived that long unless they were eating people."

They were in the prison kitchen. A kitchen with enough supplies to feed a whole prison would probably last half a dozen guys a decent time.

10/16/2012 11:57:53 AM

i'm really interested to see what the "backstory" of those bunch of prisoners is. Like, how did they survive while so many prisoners and guards didnt, stuff like that.

10/16/2012 12:17:15 PM

I believe in the comic a guard locked them in there to save them without releasing them once shit hit the fan. I don't recall why them specifically. Maybe because they were the guys in a single cellblock?

[Edited on October 16, 2012 at 12:42 PM. Reason : spoiler]

10/16/2012 12:40:26 PM

I'll buy the weakened state of the zombie's bodies argument. But not the sharp sword one

10/16/2012 1:06:53 PM

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"Though a year's worth of killing zombies would have dulled it considerably."

Good observation. In the comics, Michonne mentions exactly that. Something to the effect of how she found it disappointing that people would immediately think to use bladed weapons since they never run out of ammo, but those same people also never thought about maintaining their edge. (She did.)

10/16/2012 2:21:48 PM

any idea why rick took carls canned food and threw it away?

[Edited on October 16, 2012 at 7:11 PM. Reason : just looked back and I'm thinking because it was dog food]

10/16/2012 7:08:01 PM

I thought it was because of something with the expiration date...

10/16/2012 7:33:59 PM

it was a yellow can and at the top it had "real flavors!" and the first letter of the of the product was P so I wa sthinking it was purina dog food

10/16/2012 7:47:07 PM

At first I thought it was the expiration date. But the look he gave everyone was one of refusing to go to that level. The comics repeatedly harp on Rick taking responsibility for the group an. So if they have to eat dog food its a failure.

10/16/2012 7:52:38 PM

STOP TALKING ABOUT THE GOD DAMN COMIC BOOKS IN THE TV SHOW THREAD YOU FUCKING FAGGOTS.

10/16/2012 8:19:03 PM

it was definitely dog food, i mean i think it said so on the label

10/16/2012 8:45:43 PM

definitely dog food... i think it had a picture of a dog on the label.

10/16/2012 8:46:46 PM

^^^what he said

10/16/2012 9:02:08 PM

there were 2 cans of dog food that Carl found and took. he started to open one when Rick came over and picked it up and looked at it where he immediately threw it away. the way i took that was that he was not gonna let what was going on in the world reduce them to eating dog food out of can. that it was his resolve to find a place they could hunker down for a period of time and survive, like the farm being pretty self-sufficient.

10/16/2012 9:13:51 PM

^ya, again, i dont think they were trying to be subtle about that...

10/16/2012 9:16:32 PM

I thought it was fairly obvious what was implied

10/16/2012 9:17:58 PM

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"STOP TALKING ABOUT THE GOD DAMN COMIC BOOKS IN THE TV SHOW THREAD YOU FUCKING FAGGOTS."

So stop talking about the 95% of the show that's based on the comic book, and talk only about the 5% that exists only in the TV show?

10/16/2012 9:33:44 PM

not being subtle would be a close up of the can or someone saying "dog food"

10/16/2012 9:33:56 PM

like this?


[Edited on October 16, 2012 at 9:42 PM. Reason : ^^maybe PAST events in the comic book, but if any chance of affecting future, dont do it]

10/16/2012 9:41:27 PM

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"So stop talking about the 95% of the show that's based on the comic book, and talk only about the 5% that exists only in the TV show?"

I have honestly been sitting here for at least the last 10 minutes trying to find a way to describe how spectacularly retarded you are for saying this. I just can't do it. Holy shit. I'm literally stunned.

10/16/2012 9:43:05 PM

^^yup like that, completely missed it

10/16/2012 9:53:01 PM

haha no worries. i went to an annoying amount of effort to get that picture (starts on demand, rewind and pause several times to get just right, take pic w/ phone, email to self, save pic to desktop, upload to tww, post)

10/16/2012 9:54:56 PM

haha, well done

I rewound and watched the scene where he opened it to pretty much figure out it was dog food and didnt even think about going back to where he found it

10/16/2012 9:57:30 PM

^^ photobucket app

10/16/2012 10:06:15 PM

Clearing out the courtyard with the riot suit zombies felt like watching a video game. I was waiting for the boss battle.

I thought that the herds of walkers being tracked on their map was a nice touch, and Carl not being a whiny bitch was a welcome change, including him awkwardly lingering in Beth's room, nice.

10/16/2012 10:10:01 PM

So Rick is cool with letting them eat an owl but dog food is off limits? I'm not gonna lie, I've seen dog food that looked kinda tasty before and I'm pretty sure if I were slowly starving to death I'd have no problem eating dog food.

10/16/2012 10:46:25 PM

^^yea i was thinking the same thing: "the difficulty level of these zombies is increasing!"

10/16/2012 10:53:51 PM

^^ i think it's more the principle.

10/16/2012 11:10:54 PM

^^^i think most of that comment would have made more sense w/out comparing it to dog food. I think owl meat is far more desirable than gelatinous gluten sludge. But in desperation, of course most would eat dog food.

10/16/2012 11:17:11 PM

^^they looked fairly healthy to me. Maybe hungry but not starving. And that was some nasty ass dog food there.

10/16/2012 11:23:02 PM

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"STOP TALKING ABOUT THE GOD DAMN COMIC BOOKS IN THE TV SHOW THREAD YOU FUCKING FAGGOTS."

Generally I agree with this sentiment, but there's been nothing spoiler-esque in the comic books comments on this page so far. I'm cool with people drawing comparisons from the source material that's giving you this show to watch, just don't go ruining shit for me that will happen down the road.

In short...chill dude.

It was also pretty clear to me it was dog food, and that Rick refuses to let "His" group fall to that level. Definitely becomes clearer once he starts obsessing about getting into the prison. Can't say I blame the man, at least he's taking responsibility.

10/17/2012 7:44:45 AM

It's not that big of a stretch that Carl and Beth would be interested in each other. He's 13 and she's 16. They are the only two in their group in their age range.

10/17/2012 8:00:56 AM

^agreed

10/17/2012 9:13:41 AM

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"In short...chill dude."

discussion of the comics does not belong in this thread period... "dude."

10/17/2012 10:50:56 AM

don't be all "I wonder if...?" and get all pissy when someone answers your question

10/17/2012 10:54:19 AM

Carl looks kind of young for 13.

10/17/2012 11:04:07 AM

june 27, 1999

10/17/2012 11:24:18 AM

I wouldn't feed my dog "Champion Pebbles." That sounds awful.

10/17/2012 11:25:23 AM

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"Generally I agree with this sentiment, but there's been nothing spoiler-esque in the comic books comments on this page so far. I'm cool with people drawing comparisons from the source material that's giving you this show to watch, just don't go ruining shit for me that will happen down the road."

That's just it, some people have different ideas of what a spoiler is than others. Just because you don't think something is a spoiler doesn't mean everyone feels the same way. The only way to be sure is to act as if the books don't exist within the confines of the thread. There is another thread for discussion of the books if people want to talk about it there.

Honestly, I could cut and paste this argument from one of the other dozen or so times I've made it. It's getting old at this point, and very disruptive to the legitimate discussion taking place. In the past mods have been very clear on this point, but for some reason there is never any actual follow up when the book discussion starts back up. I really wish the mods would actually do some moderating around here so we wouldn't have to keep having this discussion over and over and over again.

10/17/2012 12:28:09 PM