Not how the jury system works bro!

6/20/2017 8:43:32 PM

when i draw my CC weapon, it looks just like i'm pulling my wallet out of my pocket

6/20/2017 8:44:52 PM

glad to see someone go all Reefer Madness in 2017

[Edited on June 20, 2017 at 8:55 PM. Reason : .]

6/20/2017 8:45:53 PM

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"No one knew where the gun was and they didn't even find it until they flipped him over and started CPR. There's no way he "flashes" the gun. That's not even how the cop testified."

the gun is clearly visible in his lap from the facebook livestream, where it would have been readily visible to the officer that shot him standing 2' away.

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"Refer Madness in 2017"

guns and weed don't mix. Ask anyone that's ever been busted for drug possession with a gun on them how it turned out.

[Edited on June 20, 2017 at 8:53 PM. Reason : Reefer Madness]

6/20/2017 8:53:11 PM

Lol, what a cuckold

6/20/2017 8:55:43 PM

6 seconds from when "I do have to tell you that I have a firearm on me" to the cop unloading on him

but let's blame weed

6/20/2017 9:00:31 PM

I posted that Fox News link last page, but here is a better one:

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/nationworld/ct-philando-castile-trial-20170606-story.html

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""I don't know where the gun was," Yanez says. "He didn't tell me where the (expletive) gun was." Seconds later, he added, "I told him to take his (expletive) hand off the gun." The officer who was with Yanez, Joseph Kauser, testified that Yanez later told him he had seen a gun on Castile, who had a permit for the weapon. Kauser said he didn't see a gun from his vantage point on the passenger side of Castile's car. But Kauser also said he was watching Castile's passengers — his girlfriend Diamond Reynolds and Reynolds' then-4-year-old daughter — rather than the driver. An officer who arrived on the scene, Roseville police Officer Juan Toran, said he performed CPR on Castile. As paramedics were rolling Castile onto a backboard, Toran said he saw the gun slide out of Castile's front right pocket. Toran said he didn't even have to reach into the pocket to grab it. But St. Paul firefighter Eric Torgerson, a paramedic, testified that he saw an officer reach deeply into the pocket to retrieve the pistol."

I was actually wrong. They didn't find the gun until after they'd started CPR and were actually rolling him onto the backboard. No one disputes it was found in Castile's pocket MINUTES after the shooting occurred. No one had a clue where the gun was.

[Edited on June 20, 2017 at 9:07 PM. Reason : Your not even sticking to the testimony in the fucking case, WTF?]

6/20/2017 9:06:21 PM

Eleusis does not respect gun ownership in America.

6/20/2017 9:14:49 PM

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"An officer who arrived on the scene, Roseville police Officer Juan Toran, said he performed CPR on Castile. As paramedics were rolling Castile onto a backboard, Toran said he saw the gun slide out of Castile's front right pocket. Toran said he didn't even have to reach into the pocket to grab it. "

you think a fullsize glock sitting in the guys front right pocket wouldn't be clearly visible to the cop standing directly over top of him? It's clearly visible there from the facebook live feed. Yanez stated that he didn't know where the gun was when Castille told him he had a gun, not that he never saw the gun. He testified in court that he saw Castille with his hand on the gun before shooting him.

6/21/2017 10:16:13 AM

I love arguing about these politicized anecdotes... everyone is a political hack cheering for their team.

Team leftist wants a racist white cop executing an innocent black man.

Team right wants to stop the left from demonizing cops.

Lets perform mental gymnastics so I can distort this anecdote into satisfying my previously held beliefs! Who cares about the truth, I got muh narrative to support!

6/21/2017 10:33:59 AM

Holy shit, the hypocrisy

6/21/2017 10:35:11 AM

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"you think a fullsize glock sitting in the guys front right pocket wouldn't be clearly visible to the cop standing directly over top of him? It's clearly visible there from the facebook live feed"

Well at least we got you to back off your claim that Castile "flashed" the gun at the cop.

If the gun was so visible, to everyone apparently, why did it take the cops several minutes of administering CPR before they disarmed the suspect? The pistol was blatantly there in his pocket the entire time. Multiple cops just milling around twiddling their fingers, and none of them even had the bright idea to see if they could disarm Castile (who they were still treating as a threat BTW) or to search the car to locate the gun??? Would it not be standard procedure to disarm the suspect once they removed him from the car, especially if the gun was totally visible to everyone and was totally out in the open as seen it the Facebook feed (hint: it wasn't visible at all. It was buried in his huge Jnco pocket.).

You can pull stories out of your ass all day, and we can debunk them here, but let's cut through all of that to get to the meat of the matter. Why are you going out of your way to lie/troll/whatever over the facts of the case? How does a shitty cop murdering someone threaten you? Is it because even one instance of an unjustified shooting would require review of all the other cases you've (I'm guessing) dismissed? Does your contempt for black people just not allow you to consider that unjustified shootings occur?

6/21/2017 11:07:06 AM

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"How does a shitty cop murdering someone threaten you?"

How does someone not aligning 100% with the leftist group-think threaten you?

You realize your side politicizes these shootings before the facts are even known, right? We have had riots in our own state over JUSTIFIED SHOOTINGS because your side is so stupid.

That is why people on the right have to point out all the wrong things the victims do, because your side is unwilling to do so objectively. For fucks sake, you made a civil rights martyr out of Michael Brown. The pendulum has swung way too far into the crazy SJW left.

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"Does your contempt for black people "

And there it is, the calling card of an idiot... "agree with me or you're racist". Believe it or not, the victim and the cop both made huge mistakes... someone pointing this out isn't a racist, but you have to call them that because they threaten your fragile narrative by being objective. You are a societal cancer

6/21/2017 11:21:19 AM

if only he had a father, he wouldn't be dead. amirite?

6/21/2017 11:23:57 AM

I cite FACTS in this one exact case. JCE starts whining about totally unrelated shit. Who is surprised?

You can't defend this shooting so you tack to "zomg outta control liebralsssss"

Because confronting the fact that unjustified shootings do exist melts your entire narrative and starts making you uncomfortable. Ya'll really need to self-reflect on why this makes you so uncomfortable, as I'm still unsure and can't quite diagnose it (it boggles my mind really).

[Edited on June 21, 2017 at 11:37 AM. Reason : If I'm just being trolled, that's kinda disgusting too. Sociopathic really.]

6/21/2017 11:32:16 AM

spoiler: you are being trolled

6/21/2017 12:02:51 PM

^

6/21/2017 12:11:05 PM

People being willing to troll over our Police homicide problem disturbs the fuck out of me.

6/21/2017 12:15:28 PM

Yes, JCE and his agenda is pretty disturbing.

6/21/2017 12:28:31 PM

A large percentage of Americans think just like JCE (hence all these verdicts). They probably aren't honest about it though because being seen as a racist is the last thing people want.

Either that or you guys aren't honest about how ugly America really is.

[Edited on June 21, 2017 at 12:50 PM. Reason : if JCE was such a troll. These police wouldn't be found routinely innocent or not charged at all]

6/21/2017 12:49:34 PM

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"I cite FACTS in this one exact case"

you've yet to cite anything, and you've pulled shit out of your ass continuously.

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" How does a shitty cop murdering someone threaten you?"

This case reinforced how important proper communication with LEOs when you're concealed carrying is. All those discussions with the CCW instructors and people in law enforcement about how to handle being pulled over when concealed carrying were reinforced in this case. Castille managed that situation horribly and paid the price.

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"Well at least we got you to back off your claim that Castile "flashed" the gun at the cop. "

Castile is carrying a fullsize glock halfway in his front left pocket. He's reaching for his back left pocket to get his wallet. He's sitting on that pocket, so you'd think it would be natural for him to turn his left hip up to pull out his wallet. You don't think that motion exposed the gun to the officer while his hand was simultaneously in the same area?

For a guy that had been pulled over 52 times in the previous 14 years, you'd think he would have known to go ahead and get his license out before the cop got to him. Then again, when you spend 6 of those years without a license, maybe you forget you have one to give the cop?

How many people in here wait until the cop is at your window before you even bother to get your license and registration?

6/21/2017 12:50:40 PM

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"is carrying a fullsize glock halfway in his front left pocket. He's reaching for his back left pocket to get his wallet. He's sitting on that pocket, so you'd think it would be natural for him to turn his left hip up to pull out his wallet. You don't think that motion exposed the gun to the officer while his hand was simultaneously in the same area?"

He was carrying it in his front right pocket. You still can't even get the basic facts of the case correct. Again, I ask: why do you feel a need to misrepresent the facts in the case? Why is admitting a single unjustified shooting such an impossibility for you?

6/21/2017 12:59:05 PM

The facts remain that Castille did nothing illegal, yet was gunned down by a police officer. If that isn't enough to give you pause, then you have some other bias affecting your judgement.

6/21/2017 1:20:52 PM

he potentially exposed his child to second hand smoke, it's a capital crime only committed by dangerous sociopaths!

6/21/2017 2:01:12 PM

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"You can't defend this shooting so you tack to "zomg outta control liebralsssss""

I don't want to defend a shooting. I just want to know the truth of what happened, before your side devolves into crazy looting and rioting. Because that is what your side does.

How disassociated from reality do you have to be to build that "defend the shooting" straw man.

My position on these shootings is always the same: Eliminate the political spin from the left, wait for the facts to come out, let the court do its job. This is a very reasonable position, but because it conflicts with your UNREASONABLE position, you have to go full on mental gymnastics straw man mode...

EDIT: I realize all of you are members of the cult of social justice, so I'm trying to have a logical discussion with a cult member about the existence of their god... so I guess any position besides "EXECUTE THE RACIST COP" is going to trigger the fuck out of you.

[Edited on June 21, 2017 at 2:06 PM. Reason : SJW CULT]

6/21/2017 2:04:28 PM

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" I don't want to defend a shooting. I just want to know the truth of what happened, "

You're making my point for me. We are talking about the nitty gritty, second-by-second details of the case and then you come in whining about the usual stupid shit you whine about when you have nothing else meaningful to say.

Face it, whining about SJWs is the foxhole you always retreat to in order to avoid discussions you can't contribute to because you're too god damn stupid or you can't contribute to them because YOU KNOW they melt your worldview.

[Edited on June 21, 2017 at 2:18 PM. Reason : "I'm waiting in the facts." Bruh, I posted two detailed links of the testimony.]

6/21/2017 2:16:43 PM

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"Castille managed that situation horribly and paid the price."

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"I do have to tell you that I have a firearm on me"

6/21/2017 2:27:22 PM

"wait for the facts"

Funny how the facts always "come out" after the trial. Dashcam footage needs to be public from the start.

6/21/2017 2:27:46 PM

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"You're making my point for me. We are talking about the nitty gritty, second-by-second details of the case and then you come in whining about the usual stupid shit you whine about when you have nothing else meaningful to say."

You WERE talking about the details.

I jumped in when you started baselessly attributing motive and "racism" to Eleusis at the end of your post. None of my disputes were about the details of the case.

If you had stayed on topic and resisted the urge to devolve into SJW hysteria, there would have been no conflict.

6/21/2017 2:28:37 PM

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"let the court do its job"

...and that's pretty much indicative of your love of authoritarian rule. you trust the court to be infallible, thus, you have no actual opinion.

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"I just want to know the truth of what happened"

OK...so find it and report back. We'll wait.

6/21/2017 2:29:59 PM

I think it would behoove all of us to admit that the lack of facts/evidence isn't the issue here. There is plenty of video and audio footage that shows the situation. Castille did nothing wrong, yet was gunned down by an over zealous cop whose life was not in danger.
This has been to trial, and despite being told to wait for the justice system to work, justice was denied to Castille.

6/21/2017 2:30:22 PM

The same people have already easily concluded that North Korea murdered Otto and must pay the price.

6/21/2017 2:31:51 PM

I think we should evaluate the popo to find out exactly what makes them "fear for their lives" before we put them out on the street. This guy seems to have a fear factor of 8 out of 10. Put that mofo behind a desk.

[Edited on June 21, 2017 at 2:45 PM. Reason : oh, you afraid of water? don't be a lifeguard then.]

6/21/2017 2:34:24 PM

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"He was carrying it in his front right pocket. You still can't even get the basic facts of the case correct"

You can watch them remove the gun from his front left pocket as they're trying to put him on the stretcher.

6/21/2017 3:48:54 PM

The brutal murderous regime continues. This time a pregnant woman. What can be done to stop this? Military intervention can't really be on the table considering they have ICBMs.

http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/family-seattle-mom-killed-cops-she-called-wants-answers-n774941

6/21/2017 4:00:31 PM

^^so the cops that testified they pulled it from his right pocket are just lying???

6/21/2017 4:09:43 PM

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"you'd think he would have known to go ahead and get his license out before the cop got to him"

Serious question: Is this really a good idea? I'm skeptical. I doubt the cop likes to see you scrounging around as he walks up from behind your vehicle, vision obstructed.

Not a good idea to defend your position with shitty advice.

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"2) Don’t make quick or evasive movements, even if you’re simply reaching for your purse, glove box, whatever. First wait until asked for documentation, and then move at a normal pace to retrieve it. Avoid lunging across or digging under the seat as it may cause the officer to believe you’re reaching for a weapon or hiding something. That usually ends poorly with a gun drawn (cop) and an overwhelming feeling of fear (you)."

http://www.dmv.org/articles/traffic-stop-dos-and-donts/

6/21/2017 7:02:23 PM

DMV.org is not affiliated with any actual government agency, and that advice is shit. If Castile had retrieved his license ahead of time, he'd still be alive.

6/21/2017 7:09:17 PM

goddamn this is pathetic.

6/21/2017 7:30:26 PM

^^I notice you have not offered any logic/support for your position like I have:

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"I doubt the cop likes to see you scrounging around as he walks up from behind your vehicle, vision obstructed."

[Edited on June 21, 2017 at 7:32 PM. Reason : ^^]

6/21/2017 7:31:50 PM

Another cite:

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"To find out what you should do if you’re ever pulled over in a traffic stop, I talked to AoM readers Phil Hull, a police officer from Georgia, and Andy, an attorney also from Georgia. . . . Wait for the officer to ask for your documents. Don’t try to expedite the process by getting your license and registration ready while the officer approaches your car. For all he knows you could be reaching for a gun or trying to hide some sort of incriminating evidence. Wait until he or she gets to the window and asks for your documents."

http://www.artofmanliness.com/2013/02/15/what-to-do-when-you-get-pulled-over-by-the-police/

6/21/2017 7:35:38 PM

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"Don't worry about gathering things like your license and registration yet, not while pulling over and not once stopped; wait until the officer asks for it. Movement inside the car could indicate hiding something, or reaching for something that could be a license....or a gun. Keep your hands in plain sight (which is usually on the steering wheel) and wait for the officer to approach you. If you reach for anything ahead of time, make it your interior dome lights (if it's nighttime). It can be hard to see into cars at night with the dark and glare of lights, and turning on the dome light and making your interior more visible will be much appreciated."

https://www.capecops.com/blog/2017/1/20/ask-ccpd-2-traffic-stop-etiquette-101

But officer, eleusis from T-Dub said....

6/21/2017 7:52:04 PM

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" For a guy that had been pulled over 52 times in the previous 14 years, you'd think he would have known to go ahead and get his license out before the cop got to him. Then again, when you spend 6 of those years without a license, maybe you forget you have one to give the cop? How many people in here wait until the cop is at your window before you even bother to get your license and registration?"

I absolutely wait. But I've had an officer hold a gun to my head, explaining that he had no way of knowing what else I had in my car. So, no, I don't go rummaging around for my license and registration as they approach my vehicle. In riskier situations, I get them out before I start driving.

Don't get me wrong...I'm still definitely an oblivious, privileged little bitch, but not as oblivious and privileged as you, I guess.

6/21/2017 8:03:01 PM

victimhood olympics

6/21/2017 10:50:57 PM

What is the NRA position on a legal gun owner carrying a weapon with a concealed weapons permit being shot for disclosing its presence to a cop?

6/22/2017 12:34:35 AM

I believe their position, after reading this thread, is weed kills and execution on site is OK because weed.

6/22/2017 8:05:05 AM

you know there is a silver lining in all this ... Atleast we've moved past "white people" are racist and have just started encompassing All Americans as racist.

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"This has been to trial, and despite being told to wait for the justice system to work, justice was denied to Castille. "

How is this fixed ? (hopefully we can have some actual discussion and discourse, not you specifically, but the other riffraff)

6/22/2017 8:39:49 AM

It won't be fixed; apparently too many people think it works just fine.

And this is what it all comes down to. Pretty simple really:

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"There is plenty of video and audio footage that shows the situation. Castille did nothing wrong, yet was gunned down by an over zealous cop whose life was not in danger."

6/22/2017 9:17:21 AM

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"What is the NRA position on a legal gun owner carrying a weapon with a concealed weapons permit being shot for disclosing its presence to a cop?"

He wasn't legally carrying - high at the time and in possession of marijuana. He also didn't have the address updated on his CCW after he moved, so it technically wasn't valid. That was the point of the sheriff's office in the county he was living in issuing a statement saying they never provided him with a CCW.

6/22/2017 9:31:45 AM

"ANY LIMITATIONS ON THE RIGHT TO BEAR ARMS IS AN INFRINGEMENT OF THE 2ND AMENDMENT AND A SLIPPERY SLOPE TO GUN SIEZURES"

--cop murders a black CCW permit holder--

"Well his address changed and he smoked weed, so the 2nd amendment doesn't apply here."

6/22/2017 9:45:52 AM