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"The way i see it, the island is like a laptop and the light is the a battery. This laptop has the server to the rest of the world. People come on the island do their shit and wear down the battery. By the time we get to 2007 when Dogan tries to revive sayid the battery is already dead. Luckily the entity that possesses MiB/Locke is the power cable. But if the power cable is disconnected then shit hits the fan, y2k, shearon harris, wtc, peyton strickland, nael becomes the owner, etc..."

FASCINATING DISCUSSION

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5/21/2010 3:28:19 PM

thank you

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[Edited on May 21, 2010 at 3:31 PM. Reason : whatever you guys know that analogy is complete]

5/21/2010 3:31:13 PM

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5/21/2010 3:33:46 PM

^lol

5/21/2010 3:40:29 PM

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"The show is implying that there is some greater, earth-shattering reason why MIB wants to leave the island and why Jacob cant let him leave."

Yes the greater, earth-shattering reason is that if MiB escapes the world will end, everyone will die, apocalyptic catastrophe etc. However it is phrased it's been explicitly stated that MiB leaving can not happen or else the world will dramatically change for the worse.

5/21/2010 4:15:16 PM

^Exactly. I'm not sure where that guy thinks there is ambiguity, but it's pretty clear that even if the world doesn't end if the smoke monster leaves the island, a lot of people will die.

5/21/2010 4:21:15 PM

Has someone actually said "a lot of people are going to die" or was it more like "the world, as you know it, will end"?

Anyways, MIB is certainly doing bad things to get off the island, but there's no real indication of him wanting to destroy the world or do anything bad off the island.

5/21/2010 4:31:36 PM

^Jacob definitely said in his speech in the last episode that if the smoke monster escapes the island "you and everyone you've ever cared about will die."

EDIT: verbatim--referring to his "mistake": "because of that, there's a very good chance that all of you and everyone you've ever cared about is going to die."

[Edited on May 21, 2010 at 4:46 PM. Reason : .]

5/21/2010 4:41:35 PM

why will the world end, or why will people die, just because MIB leaves the island? Is he going to go on a rampage and kill everyone on the planet the moment he gets free? Is he going to set off some kind of trigger that will cause the planet to blow up?

no, I dont just simply accept Widmore and Jacob's vague explanation that "people will die" if MIB gets off the island. Maybe thats a good enough explanation for some people, but for me, its not. That is a major part of the story, at this point its probably the most important part of the story, and there has been no explanation.

I'm not arguing the point that it has been stated on the show multiple times that people will die if MIB leaves, I just want to know WHY will they die, or what will they die from. MIB killing them? the electromagnetic force in the island will be released and the planet will explode? etc. etc. etc.

[Edited on May 21, 2010 at 4:50 PM. Reason : zcxv]

5/21/2010 4:48:33 PM

Well, we've seen how easily the smoke monster kills people on the island and how difficult he himself is to kill. Why couldn't he do that to the rest of the world if he gets off the island?

5/21/2010 4:51:18 PM

There is no way that its that simple. First of all he has no reason seeing as he doesn't know anyone out there or really have a reason to just go around on a killing rampage. Think back to what jacob said about the island being a cork. I think if MiB escapes then the balance of good and evil in the world will be offset, which leads to murders, theft, corruption and maybe people that they knew and cared about dying.

Obviously the smashing of the jar by MiB symbolized the extinguishing of the planet/universe but i don't think its that simple either.


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5/21/2010 5:13:38 PM

He wouldn't need a motive or a reason. He's pure evil. Not saying that this is definitely the case, but I'm certainly not ruling it out.

What I am saying is definitely the case is that if the smoke monster escapes the island either a lot of people will die or humanity will end or the world will end.

[Edited on May 21, 2010 at 5:20 PM. Reason : .]

5/21/2010 5:19:14 PM

Everything we've seen him do was to get off the island.

He hasn't been going around killing people for no reason. There are plenty of people who are or have been on the island who weren't necessary to his plan such as bernard and rose but he didn't just go off and knock them into oblivion just because.

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5/21/2010 5:23:10 PM

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"He's pure evil."

On this point, the writers have said all along that no one is really as good or evil as they seem. I doubt he's really "evil incarnate", that's just what the Others thought.

5/21/2010 5:23:33 PM

^ You're right, good point; we don't know for sure that he is pure evil or evil incarnate. Let me rephrase. IF he is pure evil, he wouldn't need a motive or a reason to kill everyone/a lot of people.

[Edited on May 21, 2010 at 5:44 PM. Reason : ^ to clarify that I am not saying that AstralAdvent had a good point]

5/21/2010 5:43:26 PM

DROD900, you realize there is still a 2.5 hour episode left, right? They could easily address your question in that time. So personally, I'd just wait until Sunday night. Obviously, nobody here can answer your question beyond what has already been given, and there is still plenty of time for it to be answered on the show.

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"There has got to be bigger implications than that, Jacob wouldnt be going through all this trouble just because "his mom told him not to" let his brother leave."

I see religious people refrain from things as well as do things every day, and very ritualistic things quite often, simply because someone "told them not to" or to do so and they believed them -- so, I don't think it's really a stretch of reality for Jacob to do something simply because his mother told him so.

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"The show is implying that there is some greater, earth-shattering reason why MIB wants to leave the island and why Jacob cant let him leave."

No, Jacob is implying that. - actually, Jacob hasn't even implied that. He has just implied that something "earth shattering" will happen IF he leaves. Not that MiB wants to leave to CAUSE it to happen. We don't know why he is implying that exactly. It could be because it's what his mother told him. It could be because of some bit of knowledge he gained when he drank the "blessed" wine. It could be because of something he learned between the time he tossed his brother into the light and last weeks episode. Time will tell... or it won't.


Here's one possible theory I came up with: maybe because MiB went into the light, it will go out if he leaves. The mother said that the same light is in every man and that if the light goes out, that light in everyone goes out. So, maybe he is now somehow "one with the light" and him leaving will cause it to go out and in-turn kill every man in the world.


I also don't think it's necessarily the case that the MiB/Smokey has the intention of doing great harm/evil to the world. Assuming something truly will happen if he leaves, maybe he is completely ignorant to that fact or simply doesn't believe it to be true. There has been NOTHING so far to suggest that he truly intends to destroy the world or do anything in particular other than leave the island. I'm not saying that there isn't something, but to say that there definitely IS something is going beyond what has been divulged on the show.

[Edited on May 21, 2010 at 6:01 PM. Reason : when not we]

5/21/2010 5:53:00 PM

^That makes sense to me. I can buy that theory.

5/21/2010 6:03:15 PM

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"There has been NOTHING so far to suggest that he truly intends to destroy the world or do anything in particular other than leave the island. I'm not saying that there isn't something, but to say that there definitely IS something is going beyond what has been divulged on the show."

well, he did tell widmore the first thing he was gonna do when he got off the island is kill penny

5/21/2010 8:40:33 PM

^You're right, but it's been shown that the MiB is very manipulative, so there's a very real chance that he just said this to get Widmore to tell him what he wanted to know.

5/21/2010 8:42:23 PM

you're right, maybe they will answer the question in the finally, I'm sure they will in some form - either MIB will leave the island and we will see what happens, or he wont and someone will explain what couldve happened.

I didnt mean to make it sound like I was all up in arms about the leaving the island thing, I came in here initially to see if anything was mentioned that I missed which alluded to what would happen if MIB stayed or left. The only answers I got were that MIB wanted to leave because he wasnt from the island, Jacob didnt want him to leave because his mother told him not to, and that if he did leave something bad would happen. All of that just caused me to ask more questions and really wonder why the whole situation is so vague.

I'm sure this will be wrapped up in some form in the finale, hopefully just like a whole bunch of other lingering questions

5/21/2010 9:17:40 PM

lol the finally. usually i don't nitpick about spelling but i'm drunk and that made me laff

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5/22/2010 1:16:40 AM

^ keep your drunk posts in chit chat

5/22/2010 1:39:07 AM

haha, whoops, I'm normally pretty good at spelling things, especially simple words like finale

fwiw, I spelled it correctly later in my post

5/22/2010 9:11:13 AM

It's worth nothing! Fuck you for spelling finale wrong!

Funny that that actually came from AstralAdvent...it would take days, weeks, months to grammatically correct all AstralAdvent's posts in this thread completely.

Anyway....getting really excited for the finale tomorrow. Anybody know what episodes (if any) that they're showing tonight/tomorrow besides the pilot?

5/22/2010 10:22:43 AM

Follow the leader comes on tomorrow morning (they're showing season 5 at like 2:30)

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5/22/2010 11:05:33 AM

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"Lindelof: What are the polar bears, or, "What's the story with Aaron?" And we go, okay, the story with Aaron is that a psychic told Claire that he was special, but then subsequently, in an Eko episode, we revealed that the psychic was a fraud. So people are like, "Why is Aaron special?" and we're like, "But, that wasn't true. That guy was a liar." "Well, why did The Others abduct him?" Well, the Others revealed that they abducted him because he was a baby born on the island, and they wanted to see if there was anything they could glean scientifically to solve their fertility issues. And so there it is in the show, in black and white, but people still say, "So why is Aaron special?!" or, "What are you going to reveal about him?" Aaron became emotionally special, because Kate ended up having to raise him and she ended up returning to the island to bring Claire back home. So that's why he's special. But if you're looking for the answer to, "What are his superpowers?" or "When will he finally deploy his laser eyes?", the answer is… the finale. He deploys his laser eyes in the finale. "

5/22/2010 5:57:19 PM

Ahhhhh. I don't think I've read this thread all season. Didn't want any spoilers. Just thought you'd like to know.

5/23/2010 8:58:48 AM

I'm hoping we see the return of the Hurley bird tonight.

5/23/2010 1:52:39 PM

chance of some severe storms to pop up tonight around the time of LOST. hope it doesn't interrupt the show like they did during the finale of survivor

5/23/2010 1:53:40 PM

is abc 11 capable of broadcasting hd with something like closings or warnings overlayed on the screen as well? mine isn't and the heroes finale was all sd WITH closings. fucking terrible.

5/23/2010 2:05:30 PM

can we find out how dogen knew so much?

Maybe he will be at the concert.

I think the concert will be the final battle.

5/23/2010 2:06:44 PM

lol...final battle? Between whom?

5/23/2010 2:24:50 PM

These people love Lost more than you:

http://www.livestream.com/lostathon

5/23/2010 3:18:50 PM

God damn first season kate is so hot

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5/23/2010 3:58:18 PM

altlocke and jackob

[Edited on May 23, 2010 at 4:01 PM. Reason : this show has always been locke vs jackob alt timeline will somehow get crossed over]

5/23/2010 4:01:01 PM

^ it's not difficult to spell jacob correctly you fucking idiot

5/23/2010 4:07:24 PM

^^^i noticed that, too, watching the pilot last night. for some reason, she was so much hotter in season one than she is now. not that she's ugly now.

also, lol at a "final battle" between locke and jobob. mambagrl really is a fucking retard.

[Edited on May 23, 2010 at 4:13 PM. Reason : .]

5/23/2010 4:10:53 PM

She's not trying to spell Jacob (you fucking idiot)

[Edited on May 23, 2010 at 4:11 PM. Reason : I don't know about a battle, but of there'll be some kind of showdown. Every season has ended with o]

[Edited on May 23, 2010 at 4:12 PM. Reason : ne]

5/23/2010 4:11:14 PM

I don't know if there will necessarily be a showdown and it definitely won't be at the concert. The MiB will definitely try to kill Jack, Hurley, Kate, and Sawyer, though, obviously. First, he's going after Desmond, though.

5/23/2010 4:23:29 PM

after reading through the last few pages i have this question...

Are you guys assuming the concert is going to be where Jack's son was playing piano?

[Edited on May 23, 2010 at 4:39 PM. Reason : asdf]

5/23/2010 4:39:43 PM

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"She's not trying to spell Jacob (you fucking idiot)"

well excuse me for thinking it was another instance of her horrific spelling

5/23/2010 4:40:44 PM

^^I'm not sure I understand your question, but yes, I think Jack's son will be playing piano at the concert.

5/23/2010 4:44:11 PM

so you guys forgot about charlie's concert at the widmore's party?

and the fact that desmond has to get everyone together?

why would kate wear a little black dress to jack's son's piano recital?

5/23/2010 4:48:23 PM

Ill be downloading this episode if there is a constant weather crawl the entire time.

5/23/2010 4:53:11 PM

i'm concerned about that as well. ABC better not interrupt the program with any special weather announcements

5/23/2010 5:35:29 PM

In case its needed:
ABC11 Assignment Desk: 1-800-672-9883...Thatll get you to a real person.

Just be polite if there is a need to call, and feel free to point out that if the weather event was so important, then the crawl would run during the commercials too.

5/23/2010 5:45:56 PM

IT BEGINS

5/23/2010 7:02:09 PM

not for me

ill start around 10 pm i guess

5/23/2010 7:02:56 PM

not for me

I'm on Pacific time.

5/23/2010 7:21:11 PM

SET EM UP THE 50

5/23/2010 7:22:25 PM