you still don't understand that i am saying that we should allow an actual free market by not having privatization

the government should provide a basic level of government run services, and the market can provide any other services they want since they would then be free of government interference

[Edited on September 15, 2013 at 4:16 PM. Reason : new page]

9/15/2013 4:14:25 PM

the problem then, is that your idea of "basic services" is quite expansive. healthcare is NOT a "basic service" that the gov't should be worrying about, yet you are including it. That suggests that you don't want gov't in only "basic services"

9/15/2013 4:46:15 PM

i'm going to slash defense spending and use it to pay for government run healthcare, you are welcome to buy any other healthcare you want on the private market.

9/15/2013 4:51:48 PM

So, you don't believe in actually paying for the basic government services. I don't know what the hell you are talking about now

9/15/2013 6:42:23 PM

you're lost, start back a few posts and read again

9/15/2013 8:03:49 PM

Quote :

"they can blame it on ACA, but its because they don't want to meet the requirements. ACA didn't kill your insurance."

I don't think you read my post correctly. And I've confirmed it. My insurance provider cannot legally provide health insurance once the ACA is effective.

9/18/2013 1:38:50 PM

who is your provider? why can't they legally operate? you just keep saying "no, trust me, its true"

9/18/2013 1:39:43 PM

I just want to thank the GOP for working so hard to improve Obama's approval rating. The dude has had a rough summer, with the NSA controversy and Syria, so kudos to those brave congressman who want to once again shit on the economy by starting another pointless debt ceiling fight. What better way to help Obama than to remind everyone just how brain dead House Republicans are. Maybe compassionate conservatism really is making a comeback!

9/19/2013 12:58:55 PM

I was under the impression that house republicans wanted a 1 year debt ceiling increase coupled with a 1 year obamacare delay?

Maybe your thanks would be better addressed to Ted Cruz?

9/19/2013 1:16:08 PM

Cruz may have actually just defused the whole thing by essentially telling House Republicans "you're on your own". Also, any delay of Obamacare would have failed in the Senate.

9/19/2013 1:26:37 PM

The news headlines i've read are saying they want to completely "defund" Obamacare.

If they want to delay certain parts for a year, that makes sense. Plenty of people are freaking out, and the portions of the law governing who's supposed to get benefits seem to be unclear or too inflexible. I know our own HR people are confused about it and aren't giving us any straight answers.

9/20/2013 12:25:10 PM

Quote :

"Rep. Ted Yoho (R-FL) says Obamacare defunders are following in the footsteps of Rosa Parks and MLK."

9/20/2013 1:46:01 PM

its ridiculous until you realize that it is how they really think

then its just scary

9/20/2013 1:47:47 PM

I'm honestly struggling with that. Are they really true believers or is this just extremely self aware performance art?

9/20/2013 1:50:04 PM

I'm not worried about the ACA because the dumbest users in TSB apparently understand it in its entirety.

They're fans, why shouldn't I be?

9/20/2013 2:15:11 PM

By that logic, you shouldn't be worried about ACA at all because the dumbest members in congress are the ones fighting the hardest to repeal it.

9/20/2013 2:27:48 PM

only something like 40% of americans even know that ACA is law, and the exchanges are just beginning to be tested now. its going to be a major clusterfuck.

9/20/2013 2:45:14 PM

The exchanges seem to be rolling out more easily than any other aspect of the law, and so far, seem like they'll help things.

No one seems to know what any other part of the law does or how it's supposed to work.

9/20/2013 3:03:16 PM

where are you seeing that things are going smoothly? i'm only seeing reporting that its having problems and likely won't meet deadlines.

9/20/2013 3:05:13 PM

^^I posted this in another thread. To me, this report is not "going smoothly."

https://oig.hhs.gov/oas/reports/region1/181330070.asp

9/20/2013 4:32:32 PM

^ can you clarify what you're trying to point out?

That seems to say they are working diligently to ensure security protocols are being followed? That's not an indictment of ACA??

9/20/2013 7:04:25 PM

I don't really feel I know enough about ACA to comment on it directly, but on a broader note I would like to say this:

Fire protection and Police protection are provided (i have to assume) as a service because they protect your property. Healthcare does not protect property.

So apparently we've decided property is more important than life.

How about if the fire department sends you a bill if they have to save your fat ass from the building but if you get out on your own or if the fire happens when you aren't home then its free?

9/20/2013 9:54:40 PM

wrong thread







[Edited on September 21, 2013 at 6:21 PM. Reason : w]

9/21/2013 6:16:10 PM

Quote :

"Fire protection and Police protection are provided (i have to assume) as a service because they protect your property. Healthcare does not protect property. So apparently we've decided property is more important than life."

And that's why the federal government handles fire and police departments.

9/21/2013 9:34:18 PM

I'm sure Ted Cruz's non-filibuster filibuster fits in here somewhere.

9/25/2013 1:58:03 AM

He's doing all of this to get reelected, not to stop ACA

its clever

9/25/2013 7:32:54 AM

No he isn't. He won't have any trouble being re-elected.

9/25/2013 11:45:21 AM

and now he is a god to mindless republicans

9/25/2013 11:54:07 AM

Quote :

"He's doing all of this to get reelected for a presidential run in 2016 "

what a joke this guy is

9/25/2013 12:28:11 PM

I thought he was Canadian. I'm going to need to see a birth certificate.

9/25/2013 12:29:32 PM

Ted Cruz isn't natural born citizen, so no, he's not running for President.

9/25/2013 12:37:36 PM

keep telling yourself that

9/25/2013 1:07:11 PM

Okay, so his mother was a citizen...but he was born in Canada. Yeah, I don't know, I guess it could be contested. Natural born citizen is pretty vague. Thanks, founders.

[Edited on September 25, 2013 at 1:23 PM. Reason : ]

9/25/2013 1:20:20 PM

they meant naturally birthed, as in not a c-section

9/25/2013 1:46:35 PM

^^it doesn't seem too vague to me. If you're a citizen at birth by whatever laws the US has for such things, then you're eligible. If you have to go through some post-birth process to be naturalized then you're not.

9/25/2013 2:14:34 PM

McCain was born in Panama, he was a natural born citizen

9/25/2013 2:20:12 PM

some pretty interesting lunchtime reading for ya:

http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2013/09/the-fall-of-the-heritage-foundation-and-the-death-of-republican-ideas/279955/

Quote :

"The Fall of the Heritage Foundation and the Death of Republican Ideas How the Heritage Foundation went from the intellectual backbone of the conservative movement to the GOP's bane -- and how it's hurting the party's hopes for a turnaround "

9/26/2013 11:47:27 AM

and this:

http://www.theatlanticwire.com/politics/2013/09/all-republicans-want-not-destroy-economy-everything/69895/

9/26/2013 12:24:43 PM

Why has nobody thought of this?

9/26/2013 8:52:50 PM

TED CRUZ DEFEATED — SENATE PASSES BILL TO AVERT SHUTDOWN WITHOUT 'DEFUND OBAMACARE' LANGUAGE

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/live-ted-cruz-defeated-senate-165100439.html

9/27/2013 3:56:26 PM

In a year they will want to delay another year. They should just say lets delay it until the next administration comes in....

9/27/2013 6:28:07 PM

9/27/2013 8:14:49 PM

TIL that fighting Obamacare is just like fighting 9/11 terrorists.

9/29/2013 12:41:09 PM

Of course with the talk of repeal they have yet to present a plan of their own. Send these assholes home in 2014.

[Edited on September 29, 2013 at 1:08 PM. Reason : .]

9/29/2013 1:07:22 PM

Have you looked at the Heritage Foundation? They've got some great ideas.

9/29/2013 1:25:15 PM

Quote :

"Why has nobody thought of this?"

I wonder where they got the stock photo of a black doctor from to use for that.

9/29/2013 2:15:22 PM

pretty sure that's Ben Carson

9/29/2013 2:40:27 PM

Are you sure?

9/29/2013 6:33:48 PM

I am only saying that because it is a pathetic attempt to reach some who largely oppose the GOP, especially Tea Partiers. The problem is there is solution offered, just a promised that we can do better. There is no substance whatsoever. It is simply stuck on Obamacare is evil.

9/29/2013 6:40:14 PM

The people they're hoping to reach with these messages aren't exactly the brightest crayons in the box.

9/29/2013 8:19:44 PM