Hehe yeah, cringeworthy.

11/17/2015 2:57:43 PM

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"If you watched Survive and Advance, you cant dislike K"

I think you are confusing sports dislike and real life dislike. I sports HATE pretty much anyone related to UNC sports, but I real life am neutral.

K coaches Duke, Duke and K have been the source of much sports misery for myself and state fans in general. Duke and K play State every year and repeatedly block our path to ACC chips. I know Duke fans I have to hear from when they win.

On the other hand, this incident is one of a tiny handful of incidents where Kentucky has directly affected State and made me sports sad. We don't play Kentucky. I don't know Kentucky fans. Therefore I find it hard to find much Kentucky hate in me.

11/17/2015 3:15:03 PM

that god damn article with the coach makes me sick.

11/17/2015 3:45:48 PM

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"“Coach Cal, he’s said repeatedly to me he thinks he could be the No. 1 pick in the draft. He’s told me that, regardless of all the other guys they’re recruiting in that type of position or mold, Bam is the most intriguing. "

...

things Calipari says to every recruit/recruit's coach.

11/17/2015 3:50:22 PM

Any truth to the rumor that DSJ committed to state because of the adidas affiliation?

11/17/2015 4:18:33 PM

^according to those that know it may have helped us land DSJ. i seriously doubt that's the only reason he picked state. he grew up a state fan, is from NC, we'd been recruiting him a long time. the adidas factor may have been a point in our favor, but i doubt it's the reason he picked state

11/17/2015 4:23:28 PM

Our affiliation with adidas definitely helps us get in on some recruits, but I think the role of shoe companies in recruiting is overblown by fans/message boards.

11/17/2015 5:50:35 PM

it helped. A lot.

11/17/2015 6:20:53 PM

Rowan wouldn't be here if it weren't for adidas

11/17/2015 7:30:22 PM

SWITCH TO UNDER ARMOUR

11/17/2015 7:35:48 PM

^^^can you explain to me how that works and why it's such a strong factor?

11/17/2015 7:38:55 PM

I'm curious why recruits care about apparel deals too

11/17/2015 7:51:51 PM

One and done...their next move is the to the NBA. Adidas wants to give them a shoe deal...therefore don't go to a Nike school.

That's the basics of it.

11/17/2015 7:53:56 PM

yeah...i guess i get that. but if a player is good enough, can't they kinda get their pick of the lot when it comes to shoe endorsements?

i know he was on team loaded which is adidas...so he's just being loyal to that?

[Edited on November 17, 2015 at 7:56 PM. Reason : f]

11/17/2015 7:56:10 PM

Quote :

"^^^can you explain to me how that works and why it's such a strong factor?"

Nike, UA and Adidas have a vested interest in seeing top recruits wear their products (free advertising). Top recruits have AAU coaches and other handlers that are heavily involved in their recruiting. Essentially, they function as agents for the recruits, and if coaches try to go around them, they get blackballed.

The apparel companies pay these AAU coaches lots and lots of money. Some of these AAU coaches are aligned with Adidas, some are aligned with Nike. But they make money as long as they keep sending their top players to the school associated with their particular brand.

Pay-for-play. It's not that complicated.

[Edited on November 17, 2015 at 9:11 PM. Reason : 2]

11/17/2015 9:07:28 PM

^But cant a good (and rich) bag man just overcome all that? We need to get more money to these top recruits.

11/17/2015 10:27:20 PM

actually it's a LOT more complicated than that...but a bit of it is inside stuff with Adidas and the recruits themselves.

It's gonna be a huge issue in about 10 years when other schools start catching on.


Parity in college sports is a good thing, and now you can see why lots of schools that had good years back in the day are coming back strong now.

Also, thank Gottfried and Debbie for that Adidas deal...it'll definitely help in the next 5 years. BIG time.

11/17/2015 10:28:18 PM

wonder how pissed DSJr is ?

11/18/2015 7:38:44 AM

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"It's gonna be a huge issue in about 10 years when other schools start catching on."

What do you mean? I thought other schools were already getting recruits funneled to them by Nike?

11/18/2015 8:03:39 AM

^^i dunno...if it was that big of a deal to DSJ to play with Bam, wouldn't he just wait to see where Bam went before signing anywhere?

11/18/2015 8:30:01 AM

The 30 for 30 "Sole Man" talks about the early days of shoe deals.

11/18/2015 9:08:09 AM

so rather than dwell on Bam at this point...what chances do we have w/ that Udoka kid?

11/18/2015 9:26:22 AM

out of the three I think we had the worst chances with him anyway. I think he'll stay at home and go to FSU.

Rawle is our only hope in my opinion but it might be a tough sell without Bam.

11/18/2015 9:48:47 AM

We definitely need some bigs right? Possibly won't have 1 or 2 of the only 3 we have right now. Even if it's just some 3* to sit behind somebody for a year and maybe be better in 2017

11/18/2015 9:58:56 AM

We still have Brickhouse next year.

11/18/2015 10:31:54 AM

odds are we get shut out

11/18/2015 10:56:21 AM

Malik Monk just committed to Kentucky. We werent on him, but Kentucky has landed De'Aaron Fox, Bam and Monk in the last week. The rich get richer, excellent for college basketball

11/18/2015 11:26:56 AM

Thanks for the response regarding DSJ.

11/18/2015 11:43:58 AM

Gott has a way of making sure things work out, whether it be Juco or transfers, or whatever. I really thought Bam was a lock until the W&M game and the rumors that swirled around after that. We need to throw the sink at Rawle (though he's going to be a spring signee) and put out feelers for whoever else we can. Rawle is local and will definitely be around the program a lot. We just need to show him that we're a capable team.

At this point I'm just hoping for some UNC scandal meltdown news to brighten my day.

11/18/2015 12:07:26 PM

Bam committed to UK because of shoe companies.

Wait, that doesn't fit the narrative at all!

11/18/2015 12:09:06 PM

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"odds are we get shut out"

shut out of what? alkins and udoka? we definitely won't swing and miss on every other recruit...maybe the big 5 stars (aside from DSJ, obviously). this class might not turn out to be the top 3 class we thought it would be, but it'll still be fine

11/18/2015 12:34:09 PM

We don't have any other hs recruits. At this point it's Alkins or Udoka, or offseason grad transfers, reclasses, etc.

11/18/2015 3:44:04 PM

I'm sure they're talking with other recruits... like Rowan and Freeman who were last-minute pick-ups.

11/18/2015 3:49:49 PM

^this.

We couldn't be openly talking with other recruits when we were trying to get Bam and company because it would lead them to doubt that they're our shining star, our one and only, etc. It would also make them think they have to compete for minutes.

I'm sure there are 3-4* guys that would love to get an offer from us. The key to success is the coaching staff's ability to develop the talent they have and fit them into a system that works given their abilities. You have to have some success with middle tier players to recruit top guys, which I think we've had, and is why we were able to get DSJr and get so close to Bam.

I'm disappointed too, but we are far from meltdown mode - especially this early in the season. W&M played their superbowl against us and hit us in the mouth when we really hadn't had time to work out the kinks.

11/18/2015 3:55:01 PM

^^^what i meant was...the staff has, in every single class so far, gotten transfers, late signees, reclassifications, etc. we won't go into next season only adding DSJ

[Edited on November 18, 2015 at 3:56 PM. Reason : bad grammar things]

11/18/2015 3:56:15 PM

http://www.courier-journal.com/story/sports/college/kentucky/2015/11/17/q-5-star-adebayos-coach-uk-decision/75936940/

[Edited on November 18, 2015 at 8:14 PM. Reason : OLDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD]

11/18/2015 7:45:30 PM

Yes, I read that link when it was posted on the previous page.

11/18/2015 8:06:33 PM

I did not

11/18/2015 8:14:00 PM

if we beat IUPUI will Bam re-open his recruitment?

11/18/2015 8:35:53 PM

Quote :

"W&M played their superbowl against us and hit us in the mouth when we really hadn't had time to work out the kinks."

Lol come on it was their opener too.

11/18/2015 8:55:40 PM

yah that was a pretty dumb comment. i guess? he was trying to be funny?

11/18/2015 9:29:40 PM

W&M was returning a veteran team that won their conference last year and has won 20 games the past two seasons

11/18/2015 9:49:52 PM

So why did we schedule them for our season opener? Or do we not control the order of the teams we play OOC?

11/18/2015 10:08:52 PM

Because I lied and their all time leading scorer in history graduated last year

11/18/2015 10:22:21 PM

Quote :

" that won their conference last year "

No they did not. Northeastern was the CAA champion last year.

11/18/2015 10:35:29 PM

No, they were in a four way tie for the regular season

4 way Regular season champ > tournament champ

11/18/2015 10:57:57 PM

Quote :

"W&M lost 31% of their scoring, their best player of all time, and was returning a veteran team of two seniors that was in a 4 way split for the regular season conference championship but did not win the tournament championship last year and has won 20 games the past two seasons in a weak as fuck conference and has never qualified for the NCAA tournament, going a blistering 0-9 in NCAA Tournament berth-clinching games"

[Edited on November 18, 2015 at 11:15 PM. Reason : i'm sure there will be more fact checking to come on that. and lol at ^ stupid assertion]

11/18/2015 11:05:10 PM

YEA WELL THEY BEAT WOFFORD LAST YEAR,

SO SUCK ON THAT

11/18/2015 11:15:03 PM

We always lose one to a WTF OOC team. Glad to get it out of the way early. Didn't UNC lose an opener to some shit team and then win the NCAAT the same season?

Quote :

"We couldn't be openly talking with other recruits when we were trying to get Bam and company because it would lead them to doubt that they're our shining star, our one and only, etc. It would also make them think they have to compete for minutes. "

Aren't they going to be less open to it knowing they are Plan B?

11/19/2015 1:51:47 AM

Word on the street (I literally work the street around the school) is/was that Bam's handlers/coaches pushed hard for UK.

11/19/2015 6:34:20 AM