8/10/2005 10:20:33 PM

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&ie=ISO-8859-1&q=Israel+sets+Holocaust+damages+at+%24240+billion

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"Israel sets Holocaust damages at $240 billion The Associated Press Thursday, April 21, 2005 ... At the beginning of 2004, 1,092,000 Holocaust survivors were still living worldwide, about half of them in Israel. About 10 percent of survivors die each year, the report said."

Good discussion here:
http://www.libertyforum.org/showflat.php?Cat=&Board=news_history&Number=293860379&page=&view=collapsed&sb=5&o=21&part=1&vc=1&t=0

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"Given that these 1,092,000 people would have been either children or infants at the time of the "Holocaust", it suggests that the Nazis maintained MASSIVE childcare facilities throughout the camp network. And here we were led to believe that the very old and very young were instantly gassed because they were unfit for labour. ... World Almanac, 1940, pg. 129: World Jewish Population- 15,319,359 World Almanac, 1949, pg. 289: World Jewish Population- 15,713,638"

[Edited on August 11, 2005 at 1:27 PM. Reason : 3]

8/11/2005 1:23:55 PM

Another website exposing the "Holocaust" hoax:

http://www.nazigassings.com/

8/11/2005 1:30:50 PM

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"Given that these 1,092,000 people would have been either children or infants at the time of the "Holocaust", it suggests that the Nazis maintained MASSIVE childcare facilities throughout the camp network."

So its impossible that these people were adults during the Holocaust? Do 75+ year old jews not exist? Thats some of the worst logic that I have ever seen.

As far as http://www.nazigassings.com/, have you even read it? The author's logic is along the lines of "Germans drove gas powered cars -----> there was no Holocaust." Its some of the worst pseudo-intellectual drivel that I have ever read.

On top of that it is beyond obvious that he is a Nazi sympathizer and a huge fan of Adolf Hitler:

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"The really bad guys in World War 2 were the western allies, especially the Americans. The monumental blindness and stupidity, unmatched barbarism and sadism of America and Britain nearly brought a new Dark Age upon a world dominated, not by them, but by the Soviet Union and communism, Although the Nazis and fascists lost the war–their heroic struggle with hardly any resources against overwhelming odds allowed western civilization to survive. After 1945, it was the atomic bomb, far above and beyond everything else, which allowed the west to survive, even to this day–but before that, it was ADOLF HITLER who saved us. For that he deserves our eternal gratitude and admiration."

If you're going to present something and claim that it exposes any hidden truth, please read it first and make sure that the author isn't a rabid Hitler supporter. Go find an academic source that uses legitimate research to prove a point.

8/11/2005 2:09:09 PM

Well, I wasn't aware of any pro-Hitler views of the author prior to posting the link, and I certainly don't subscribe to any pro-Hitler views by the author of the website. As a general rule, no one should be expected to have subscribed to all the views of the author of any website simply by posting a link to the website.

8/11/2005 2:59:10 PM

I'm not syaing anything about the views that you subscribe to, aside form the fact that perhaps you should consider the fact that Hitler-supporters are the biggest supporters of this idea. Rather, I'm saying that its hard for someone to write an objective study of the Holocaust when they are blinded by their love for Hitler.

8/11/2005 3:13:08 PM

Dear salisburyboy,
I am a self-loathing Jew. Bwn?
Your True Jew,
QT4U

8/12/2005 10:35:13 PM

http://xymphora.blogspot.com/

Quote :

"Various Israeli conspiracy theories ...The ties of the Republicans to the worst of the Zionists is becoming the standard assumption of the ordinary American, as witnessed by the express connection made by Cindy Sheehan in her letter to NightLine: "Am I emotional? Yes, my first born was murdered. Am I angry? Yes, he was killed for lies and for a PNAC Neo-Con agenda to benefit Israel. My son joined the Army to protect America, not Israel. Am I stupid? No, I know full-well that my son, my family, this nation, and this world were betrayed by a George Bush who was influenced by the neo-con PNAC agenda after 9/11. We were told that we were attacked on 9/11 because the terrorists hate our freedoms and democracy . . . not for the real reason, because the Arab-Muslims who attacked us hate our middle-eastern foreign policy. That hasn't changed since America invaded and occupied Iraq . . . in fact it has gotten worse." Despite the expected efforts by the Zionists to label her an anti-Semite or even a neo-Nazi, her views are now the common-sense views of mainstream America (note the commentators are in full agreement with her views, and not with the haters who want to call her names). You'll never hear such common sense from the 'elites' or the media, as the fear of being labeled an 'anti-Semite' is so strong that they would rather die than even suggest a connection between the Iraq war and its only obvious beneficiary, Israel. Nevertheless, it is completely predictable that the average American would eventually make the connection, and this kind of common sense will become more and more prevalent as the Iraq war drags on."

8/14/2005 4:00:57 PM

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"Nevertheless, it is completely predictable that the average American would eventually make the connection, and this kind of common sense will become more and more prevalent as the Iraq war drags on.""

But alas, the average American is not making the connection that you want them to make. It is a well known fact that Israel has always been America's strongest ally in the region. Certainly US foreign policy would look out for their interests to a degree. However, this does not mean that some shadowy jewish organization is pulling the strings on all world events.

Please prove something if you're going to keep this up.

8/15/2005 12:33:55 AM

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"Mr. Joshua: "It is a well known fact that Israel has always been America's strongest ally in the region."

Some "ally" they are. They spy on the US extensively and knowingly attacked the USS Liberty in 1967, killing and wounding scores of US sailors. That's just the beginning of it. The supposed "friendship" between the US and the Zionist state of "Israel" is a one way street. US taxpayers single-handedly support their economy via BILLIONS in aid every year. It's certainly accurate to say the US supports Zionist Israel, but it is quite another thing to suggest that the Zionists support or help Americans.

8/15/2005 12:51:35 AM

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"It's certainly accurate to say the US supports Zionist Israel, but it is quite another thing to suggest that the Zionists support or help Americans."

Well, its an even bigger step to say that the Zionists are trying to take over the world and all of your other wild claims about them, but that hasn't seemed to stop you.

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"knowingly attacked the USS Liberty"

Can you prove this? I don't mean can you post a link to some guy's website that says that it is true. Rather, can you find me some academic sources that prove this?

By the way:

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"How do all Jews know to create anti-semitism? Is there a secret newsletter or are they just trained to take over the world from birth? Despite your usual wild accusations, you have yet to prove that the Third Reich or any modern neo-nazi groups are actually funded by jews. And you never explained this: Are all Holocaust survivors lying? Did they all get together circa 1945 and agree on one big lie to tell the world? This seems like a pretty major point of your Jew conspiracy, yet you have never addressed it."

8/15/2005 1:01:59 AM

Zionist hit piece against outspoken professor who believes Zionists control the US Government
http://www.discoverthenetwork.org/individualProfile.asp?indid=1453

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"Dr. Leighton Armitage is an adjunct professor of political science in the Business and Social Sciences Department of Foothill College in Northern California. Foothill prepares more of its students to attend nearby Stanford and other major universities than any other two-year community college in California. Professor Armitage specializes in Europe and Japan, but he nonetheless devotes valuable class time to pontificating about the alleged evils of Israel, a nation he loathes. Armitage believes that Jewish "Nazis" control the U.S. government, and that the American military has "fun" attacking Iraqi insurgents. He further believes that the security fence that Israel is currently building (to protect itself against aspiring Palestinian terrorists) is of an oppressive and immoral nature, not unlike the Ghetto Wall that the Nazis erected in 1940 Warsaw to pen in the city's Jews. Calling the Israeli fence "a land grab," Armitage says, "Instead of building on the green line, they're building in the West Bank and they're conveniently taking all the settlements constructed, illegally, in that area and they are taking all the water resources.""

OMG!! Another "anti-Semite"!



Hate crime? Freedom of speech be dammed. This "bigot" must be silenced! Just let him question the official story on the "Holocaust." Then, he'll be extradited to Germany to face criminal charges for being a "Holocaust denier."

[Edited on August 15, 2005 at 11:15 PM. Reason : 1]

8/15/2005 11:10:49 PM

Damn, little buddy. Nowhere in that entire article does he deny the Holocaust. Nowhere in that article does anyone mention arresting him for hate crimes or extraditing him to Germany. You're really stretching on this one.

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""What are [the Israelis] doing with the Palestinians, every day?" asks Armitage. "They're killing them," he answers. "They're not taking their glasses and gold fillings, and everything else, as far as I know, but they are still slaughtering these people. It's exactly what Hitler did to the Jews.""

If anything, it sounds like he supports the "official story", or reality as I like to call it.

He really has very little understanding of the modern world, choosing instead to blame the Jews for all of the problems in the Middle east.

8/16/2005 10:02:04 AM

http://www.larouchepub.com/other/2003/3007neocon_hoax.html

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"Behind the Iraq Dossier Hoax: Intelligence Was Cooked in Israel by Jeffrey Steinberg According to media accounts, the 10 Downing Street "dossier," cited favorably by U.S. Secretary of State Colin Powell in his disastrous Feb. 5 report to the United Nations Security Council, was plagiarized from an American graduate school paper, based on information more than a decade old. The scandal that erupted when the Blair dossier hoax hit the press, seriously undermined the credibility of those war party advocates of an immediate Anglo-American invasion of Iraq. As Lyndon LaRouche wrote, Powell was set up by a gang of public relations flacks who can't think straight. So far so good. But a deeper probe into the scandal reveals that there was good reason that the spin-meisters at the Coalition Information Center—the Washington-London civilian government propaganda unit that crafted both the Blair dossier and major portions of Secretary Powell's own lighter-than-air book of evidence—did not reveal the sources of their information. The entire cooked intelligence picture was "Made in Israel." It was cooked up at a right-wing think-tank complex notorious as a hotbed of radical Likudnik propaganda, and with links to the Office of Vice President Dick Cheney, via his Chief of Staff Lewis Libby and his former client, Marc Rich. The essential facts are as follows: Two days before Powell's UN appearance, 10 Downing Street issued a 16-page paper, "Iraq: Its Infrastructure of Concealment, Deception, and Intimidation," purportedly based on high-level British intelligence data. In fact, at least 11 of the 16 pages were lifted, verbatim, from an Israeli journal, Middle East Review of International Affairs, whose sole proprieter is Dr. Barry Rubin, an American-born Israeli citizen. The 11 pages were drawn from two articles, by Ibrahim al-Marashi and Robert Rabil, that appeared in the September 2002 edition of that journal."

8/18/2005 5:57:12 PM

http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory?id=860517

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"Dean Condemns "Anti-Semitic" Literature WASHINGTON Jun 18, 2005 — A handful of people at Democratic National Headquarters distributed material critical of Israel during a public forum questioning the Bush administration's Iraq policy, drawing an angry response and charges of anti-Semitism from party chairman Howard Dean on Friday. "We disavow the anti-Semitic literature, and the Democratic National Committee stands in absolute disagreement with and condemns the allegations," Dean said in a statement posted on the DNC Web site. ... One witness, former intelligence analyst Ray McGovern, told Conyers and other House Democrats that the war was part of an effort to allow the United States and Israel to "dominate that part of the world," a statement Dean also condemned. "As for any inferences that the United States went to war so Israel could 'dominate' the Middle East or that Israel was in any way behind the horrific September 11th attacks on America, let me say unequivocally that such statements are nothing but vile, anti-Semitic rhetoric," Dean said. "The inferences are destructive and counterproductive, and have taken away from the true purpose of the Judiciary Committee members' meeting," he said. "The entire Democratic Party remains committed to fighting against such bigotry." "

Howard Dean gives burnt offering to Zionism: trying to hide the obvious fact that Isreali extremists orchestrated the Iraq War
http://www.rense.com/general67/mre.htm

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"Howard Dean has issued a statement lambasting former CIA intelligence analyst Ray McGovern for stating the obvious fact that the Iraq War was orchestrated by Israeli partisans on behalf of Israel rather than the true interests of the United States. ... Of course, anyone with any knowledge of the origins of the Iraq War knows that it was cooked up by Neocons who are almost all Jewish extremist supporters of Israel. The four leading promoters of America going to war against Iraq were Richard Perle, Paul Wolfowitz, Douglas Feith, and David Wurmser. All four are Jewish supporters of the radical Likud party in Israel. Perle, Feith, and Wurmser wrote a strategic paper for the foreign government of Israel and Benjiman Netanyahu in 1996 called A "Clean Break, A New Strategy for Securing the Realm." Although these men became the framers of the American Iraq War policy, the paper they wrote was about securing Israel's realm by fostering war against Iraq and ultimately Syria and Iran. The paper suggests that Israel's way to destroy Damascus (Syria) is through Baghdad."

OMG! More "Anti-Semitism"!! It's now "anti-Semitic" to state the facts about who pushed for the war against Iraq. Stating facts and the truth is "bigotry" and "hate speech."



[Edited on August 18, 2005 at 6:42 PM. Reason : 1]

8/18/2005 6:37:37 PM

THE JEWS DECLARE WAR ON GERMANY IN 1933
http://www.libertyforum.org/showflat.php?Cat=&Board=news_international&Number=293810896

US MILITARY ORDERS ARREST OF JEWS CLAIMING GAS CHAMBERS ARE TRUE
http://www.libertyforum.org/showflat.php?Cat=&Board=news_news&Number=293811378

MORE QUESTIONS ABOUT THE "HOLOCAUST"
http://www.libertyforum.org/showflat.php?Cat=&Board=news_news&Number=293323212

Did Six Million Really Die? by Richard E. Harwood (book online)
http://www.ihr.org/books/harwood/dsmrd01.html

8/20/2005 1:30:46 PM

8/20/2005 2:13:16 PM

Scary!

8/20/2005 2:16:15 PM

If you have a moment:

Quote :

"Are all Holocaust survivors lying? Did they all get together circa 1945 and agree on one big lie to tell the world? This seems like a pretty major point of your Jew conspiracy, yet you have never addressed it."

8/20/2005 3:34:14 PM

Israeli Spying: The Mother of all Scandals
http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/motherofallscandals.html


Israel caught again with spies at the highest levels of the US Government
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2004/08/27/eveningnews/main639143.shtml

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"CBS) CBS News has learned that the FBI has a full-fledged espionage investigation under way and is about to -- in FBI terminology -- "roll up" someone agents believe has been spying not for an enemy, but for Israel from within the office of the Secretary of Defense at the Pentagon. 60 Minutes Correspondent Lesley Stahl reports the FBI believes it has "solid" evidence that the suspected mole supplied Israel with classified materials that include secret White House policy deliberations on Iran. At the heart of the investigation are two people who work at The American Israel Public Affairs Committee (AIPAC), a powerful pro-Israel lobby in Washington."

ISRAELI SPYING Archives
http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/archives/cat_israeli_spying.html

8/21/2005 7:58:29 PM

Seriously, Can you explain how they pulled it off? When did the memo go out to all of the jews in all of the concentration camps detailing the lie that they would all tell upon being liberated. Can you find a copy of this memo? Can you at least present a working explanation of your theory?

8/21/2005 11:31:19 PM

I mean, it's not like the Germans didn't keep records, right?

8/22/2005 12:33:48 AM

http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/blackmail.html

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"IS ISRAEL BLACKMAILING AMERICA? FOX NEWS SPIKES FOUR PART STORY ON PHONE TAPPING SCANDAL Israel, purportedly our friend, has been spying on us all. And we're not talking about individual spooks like Jonathan Pollard, or small-time networks such as the 140 Israelis arrested by the FBI prior to 9/11, or the 60 arrested since (including 5 arrested who were cheering and celebrating as the World Trade Towers collapsed). It turns out that Israel has had a potential wiretap on every phone in America for years, along with the ability to monitor and record who any person is calling, anywhere in America; information of great value even if one does not listen to the calls themselves. Amdocs, Inc. the company which sub contracts billing and directory services for phone companies around the world, including 90 percent of American phone companies, is owned by Israeli interests. Yet another company, Comverse Infosys, is suspected of having built a "back door" into the equipment permanently installed into the phone system that allows instant eavesdropping by law enforcement agencies on any phone in America. This includes yours. Concerns about allowing an Israeli company such intimate access to the infrastructure go back many years. As reported by Fox News, the Israeli company Amdocs was implicated in the leaking of police phone data that resulted in the collapse of on investigation into a massive drug and credit card fraud operation with Israeli connections. In a telling repeat of the Los Angeles drug case, investigators looking into the attacks on the World Trade Towers are again reporting that confidential telephone information is again being leaked in a manner that is interfering with the investigations. Again, Amdocs was implicated. Not content with the phones of ordinary citizens in the United States, evidence has surfaced that Israel compromised the telephone systems at the highest levels of the US Government. Now, I want you all to stop and think for a minute of the full ramifications of this. Israeli interests have the ability to listen in on ANY phone in America connected to any of the systems used by Amdocs or Comverse Infosys. They have had this ability for several years. They can listen in and track the phone calls made by anyone's phone, whether police officer, elected official, media talking head, editor, policy setter, news mogul, even the President of the United States. The Ken Starr report on Whitewater describes how Bill Clinton warned Monica Lewinsky that a foreign government was tapping their phone calls."

8/22/2005 4:32:27 PM

the only real reason that we're a superpower is because we saved the jews from the nazis, and treated them like they are to be treated: as God's chosen people.

sry salisbury boy

8/22/2005 4:34:07 PM

Babylonian Talmudic Satanists are not "God's chosen people." Perhaps Lucifer's chosen.

8/22/2005 4:42:35 PM

8/22/2005 4:53:45 PM

http://www.rense.com/general67/globa.htm

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"The Real Motive Behind 'Dept Of Global Anti-Semitism' On October 16, 2004 President Bush signed into law the Global Anti-Semitism Review Act. It establishes a special department within the U.S. State Department to monitor global anti-Semitism, reporting annually to Congress. This is more "Hate Crimes" legislation, orchestrated by the international Jewish religious, educational, and fraternal organization, B'nai B'rith, and its Anti-Defamation League. The new "Department of Global Anti-Semitism" is designed to make critics of Israel not only into "anti-Semites" but ultimately into "domestic terrorists." ...the Department of Anti-Semitism, applauded and advised by B'nai B'rith/ADL, is working to create a worldwide "criticism-free zone" for Jews in the "New World Order" that is coming. This report ignores whether criticisms of matters Jewish are true. What must be defended are the sensitivities of the Jewish people! Consequently, relating such unflattering realities as the anti-Christian, anti-Gentile contents of the Talmud and Kabbalah, Jewish origins of bolshevism, Jewish dominance of Hollywood and the media, Jewish control of Congress through AIPAC, Zionist atrocities and abrasiveness in the Middle East is anti-Semitic. It is "hate." It does not matter that such facts can be easily and extensively documented, often from impeccable Jewish sources such as the Encyclopedia Judaica."

Truth is not a defense in the Joo World Order. It's a crime. Stating the truth will get you locked up or executed.

8/26/2005 10:57:23 PM

"HOLOCAUST SURVIVOR" CLAIMS TO HAVE SURVIVED AUSHWITZ FOR 6.5 YEARS
http://www.fpp.co.uk/Auschwitz/docs/controversies/liars/Harry_Gross_0805.html

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"Which is one hell of a trick since Aushwitz only operated for 4 years. http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/"

Ahahahahahaha

Oh what a tangled web we weave, when first we practice to deceive.

8/26/2005 11:35:04 PM

http://www.wrmea.com/archives/August_2005/0508017.html

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"USS Liberty Veterans Present Pentagon With Report on Israeli War Crimes SURVIVORS, friends and family gathered at Arlington Cemetery on June 8, 2005 to honor 34 USS Liberty sailors killed in Israel’s shocking naval and air attack on the ship 38 years ago. ... There was a palpable, almost electric feeling at this particular gathering in Washington, DC. At past reunions survivors swapped talk of recent surgeries and the continuing struggle to cope with their injuries. Of the original crew of 294 officers and civilians, 34 men were killed and another 173 wounded in action that day in June 1967. Because the few who survived without physical wounds had to gather up their buddies’ body parts, no one left that ship unscathed. Even harder to bear than the physical and mental anguish these Americans have endured, however, has been their government’s betrayal and silence for nearly four decades. At their reunion this year, crewmembers began the legal process which they hope will open the doors to the first thorough investigation of the Israeli attack. At a June 10 press conference at the Hotel Washington, Liberty survivors presented details of a “Report of War Crimes” brief filed by James R. Gotcher, general legal counsel for the USS Liberty Veterans Association (USS-LVA). On June 8, the anniversary of the attack, Gotcher submitted the 35-page, carefully footnoted report to Army Secretary Francis J. Harvey, who acts as executive agent for Defense Secretary Donald H. Rumsfeld. After receiving this report, brimming with evidence of war crimes committed by Israel against U.S. military personnel, the secretary of defense is obligated to initiate an official inquiry. The report lists the laws of war that Israel ignored and provides vital testimony from survivors, as well as pertinent quotes from leaders of that time. To examine the entire report, visit the USS Liberty Web site: <http://www.ussliberty.org/>. It’s vital that all Americans and their elected officials read this compelling and conclusive document."

[Edited on August 26, 2005 at 11:41 PM. Reason : 1]

8/26/2005 11:41:10 PM

sooooooooo. one slip of one tongue makes all of the documentary footage and news footage and all of the other eyewitness testimony moot?

8/26/2005 11:41:18 PM

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"sooooooooo. one slip of one tongue makes all of the documentary footage and news footage and all of the other eyewitness testimony moot?"

So called "documentary footage" or pictures can be easily manipulated to promote an agenda. For example, the mainstream media and Hollywood shows you pictures of dead bodies. They, of course, tell you those were "Jews" who were "gassed" in the "gas chambers" awaiting cremation. But if you stop to think about it, photos of dead bodies alone do not necessarily prove who those people were or how they died. For all we know, among the dead could be Jews and non-Jews, including other "undesireable" Germans. The dead could have died from starvation or sickness due to deteriorating conditions in the camps due to Allied bombing.

As we have seen, much of the eyewitness "testimony" has turned out to be lies. Some "holocaust survivors" have even finally admitted they were lying all along.

The reality is that there were camps, but these camps were not "death camps." They were slave labor camps. Jews did die in the camps, but so did many non-Jews. There was no plan to exterminate those in the camps. They were used for labor.

The "Holocaust story" includes some facts mixed in with a lot of lies. Camps did exist, but they weren't "death camps." 6 million Jews did NOT die. That number is a gross exaggeration. There were no gas chambers used for extermination purposes. It is a lie, just like the now defunct stories about Nazis making soap out of Jews and making lamp shades out of the skin of Jews.

And what about all the non-Jews who died in the camps? Are their lives worth less? Why is it all about the precious Jews? Are they the only ones who died? Think about it. The HoloCo$t story is propaganda.

8/27/2005 12:02:18 AM

so, they show us pictures of dead people, all of whom have distinctly jewish features, and you expect us NOT to believe they are jews? then they show us pictures of emmaciated jews, and somehow we are supposed to think they don't exist?

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"As we have seen, much of the eyewitness "testimony" has turned out to be lies."

I only see one, and even then, I'm not convinced that that one is lying. I mean, its not like this person didn't spend a total of 6.5 years in concentration camps. It still fucking sucks... So no, we haven't seen much" of it being lies...

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"Some "holocaust survivors" have even finally admitted they were lying all along."

i haven;t seen anyone credible and w/ an important story do so. Guess what? When you offer people money and/or sympathy, it is possible some unscrupulous people will try and take advantage of it. doesn't make what you are giving sympathy for false. Just like a person who doesn;t represent Christianity very well doesn't make Christianity false.

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"6 million Jews did NOT die."

you are right. it was probably more like 7million. got any proof to back up yer bullshit? And by "proof" i mean something substantial, not some bullshit conspiracy theories or coincidences and bullshit from your biased as fuck sources who think that Jews are the most evil thing on the face of the planet.

8/27/2005 12:09:41 AM

Washington’s Fateful Cover-Up of Israel’s Attack on the USS Liberty
http://www.wrmea.com/archives/August_2005/0508016.html

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"Israel’s war crimes against the USS Liberty and its crew on June 8, 1967—midway in the Six-Day War Israel launched against its Arab neighbors—provoked a startling, profound U.S. response, a cover-up that signaled the beginning of America’s 38 years of Israel-centric foreign policies. It marked a costly, radical turn for the worse that sent America’s prestige and credibility plunging and imposed on the American people ever-growing new burdens—even war—with no end in sight. ...The assault was deliberate. It was committed in broad daylight during a two-hour span in the afternoon, following a series of close-in aerial surveillance flights by Israeli aircraft hours earlier. The attack began three hours after Israel’s naval command precisely identified the target as an unarmed U.S. Navy reconnaissance vessel. The American flag flew in a brisk breeze at the ship’s stern. The large U.S. Navy insignia was clearly visible on the ship’s hull. When General Moshe Dayan issued the order to destroy the Liberty, one of the generals on his staff remonstrated: “This is pure murder.” Several Israeli pilots, knowing the target was American, refused to take part. Testimony of survivors leaves no doubt that Israel’s military high command intended to sink the ship and kill all personnel aboard, leaving no trace of Israel’s responsibility. ...Liberty survivors believe Israel’s most likely goal was to lure the United States into joining the Jewish state as a fighting partner in its war against Arab states."

Israel attacks the U.S. to lure the U.S into fighting Israel's enemies. 9/11 anyone?

[Edited on August 27, 2005 at 12:17 AM. Reason : 1]

8/27/2005 12:15:30 AM

wow. israel attacked the USS liberty? damn., next you are going to tell my that beer gets you drunk if you drink a lot of it

8/27/2005 12:17:14 AM

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"then they show us pictures of emmaciated jews, and somehow we are supposed to think they don't exist?"

Good at shooting down those straw-men, aren't you? I never said that the people in the photographs didn't exist. I questioned whether you could know whether they were Jew or non-Jew and exactly how they died.

8/27/2005 12:20:40 AM

well, when i consistently see HUNDREDS of people w/ classic jewish features, its safe to assume that jews were rounded up... but its OK. keep being an ignorant fool.

8/27/2005 12:25:15 AM

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"i haven;t seen anyone credible and w/ an important story do so"

See your first...


http://www.alertnet.org/thenews/newsdesk/L1110045.htm

Link no longer works. See cache of article in google here:
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&ie=ISO-8859-1&q=Spanish+Nazi+victims%27+chief+says+was+never+in+camp&btnG=Search

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"Spanish Nazi victims' chief says was never in camp 11 May 2005 Source: Reuters MADRID, May 11 (Reuters) - The former head of a Spanish association of Nazi concentration camp victims said on Wednesday he was never actually a prisoner in any camp and had lied for almost 30 years about his past. Enric Marco, who published a book entitled "Memories of Hell" in 1978 about his experiences, confessed he had invented his account of suffering in Germany's Flossenburg concentration camp. "Why? It was a way of getting as close as possible to say what I needed to say," Marco told Telecinco television on Wednesday. "I took on the part of other companions who because of age or other reasons could not play this role." The 84-year-old flew back at the last minute from the commemoration of the 60th anniversary of the liberation of the Mauthausen camp in Austria after a Spanish historian said Marco's name did not figure in Flossenburg's archives. He promptly resigned as the head of Spain's Amical de Mauthausen association."

8/27/2005 12:29:43 AM

MSM labels Sheehan an "anti-Semite" for acknowledging the war in Iraq is for Zionist "Israel"'s benefit
http://www.myrtlebeachonline.com/mld/sunnews/news/opinion/12480783.htm

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"Anti-Israel talk shouldn't be tolerated SUSAN ESTRICH Did an ABC staffer insert the following lines in an e-mail sent by celebrity anti-war mother Cindy Sheehan? "Am I emotional? Yes, my firstborn was murdered. Am I angry? Yes, he was killed for lies and for a Neo-Con agenda to benefit Israel. My son joined the Army to protect America, not Israel." That is what Sheehan is claiming. If you don't believe that explanation - if you don't believe an ABC staffer set about to put anti-Semitic words into Sheehan's mouth - then your hero, my liberal friends, is a raging, ignorant anti-Semite. Sorry, but what are you doing hanging with that crowd? I am as sympathetic to Sheehan's loss as the next mother. When I heard of her plight, while on vacation with my own children, my heart ached. Why not simply meet with her, I thought - and wrote, like the other liberal columnists - instead of going on a bike ride to nowhere? I am the last person to "swift boat" a mother who lost her son in this war. I don't blame anyone, man or woman, for being "emotional." But I will not stand silent and see anti-Semitism masked as opposition to Israel and Israel blamed for George Bush's mistakes, if that's what they are. She did say this, apparently: "What they're saying, too, is like, it's OK for Israel to have nuclear weapons. But Iran or Syria better not get nuclear weapons. ... It's OK for Israel to occupy Palestine ... for the United States to occupy Iraq, but it's not OK for Syria to be in Lebanon. They're a bunch of [expletive] hypocrites." Anyone who cannot tell the difference, in any terms, between Israel on the one hand and Syria and Iran on the other is not someone who, as my grandmother would put it, is "good for the Jews" - or for the country, I'd like to add. I have been speaking to Jewish groups around the nation for the past year, and this is what I have been warning them. It will come to this: Israel will be blamed, which means Jews will be blamed."

Sheehan's not only a "kook" for pointing out they lied about the WMD's. She's an "anti-Semite" too! Don't believe anything this "whacko" says. The war in Iraq is GOOD. It must be a fantastic success in order for "crazy whacko anti-Semites" to be opposing it. The war in Iraq must be the best thing that has ever happened to the US! Hooray for the war in Iraq!

And notice the title of the article. Don't criticize Israel! If you criticize that country, you're an "anti-Semite"! That sort of "bigotry" and "hatred" will not be tolerated. It will be criminalized. That's right. It's a "hate crime" to criticize Israel. You'll go to prison like those who question the official story on the Holocaust. Freedom of speech? To hell with that!

[Edited on August 27, 2005 at 12:48 AM. Reason : 2]

8/27/2005 12:42:17 AM

^Damn!

I hope this "Susan Estrich" falls down the stairs and gets severe brain damage ending up in an institutuion.

8/27/2005 12:47:04 AM

Commentary on Susan Estrich's pathetic drivel from whatreallyhappened.com:

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"Why not, if Israel has behaved in a manner deserving of criticism? Susan Estrich is playing the same old game Israel's supporters have been playing for the last half century, to deflect criticism of Israel's policies by equating it with hatred of the world's Jewish people. But this is like trying to defend the actions of Hitler by claiming it is just "Anti-Germanism". It's silly. And it reveals just how desperate and devoid of rational argument the Israeli agenda has become. Certainly we have never seen Susan Estrich demand that anti-Iraq, anti-Iran, or anti-Muslim talk not be tolerated. Only Israel is to be held above the normal discourse of world events. Only Israel is to be immune from criticism. Only Israel is verboten! Everyone else is fair game for criticism for their actions."

“If you want to know where the power lies, then ask whom you cannot criticize.”

- Kevin Alfred Strom, Revisionist Historian

[Edited on August 27, 2005 at 12:57 AM. Reason : 2]

8/27/2005 12:52:07 AM

8/27/2005 1:59:22 PM

8/27/2005 2:16:03 PM

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"“If you want to know where the power lies, then ask whom you cannot criticize.” - Kevin Alfred Strom, Revisionist Historian"

I love it when revisionist historians rhyme, but seriously, isn't a quote like that just a blank check to criticize anyone? Remember when Vincente Fox said that mexicans do jobs that "even blacks" won't do? He caught a lot of flak for that, even going so far as to make an apology. Does that mean that blacks run America?

You can't blame the jews for making you sound like a bigot.

By the way:

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"How do all Jews know to create anti-semitism? Is there a secret newsletter or are they just trained to take over the world from birth? Despite your usual wild accusations, you have yet to prove that the Third Reich or any modern neo-nazi groups are actually funded by jews. And you never explained this: Are all Holocaust survivors lying? Did they all get together circa 1945 and agree on one big lie to tell the world? This seems like a pretty major point of your Jew conspiracy, yet you have never addressed it. Seriously, Can you explain how they pulled it off? When did the memo go out to all of the jews in all of the concentration camps detailing the lie that they would all tell upon being liberated. Can you find a copy of this memo? Can you at least present a working explanation of your theory?"

8/27/2005 3:06:59 PM

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"Mr. Joshua: "...you sound like a bigot"

Does that mean I'm an "anti-Semite" too?!

THE HORROR!!

[Edited on August 27, 2005 at 6:43 PM. Reason : 1]

8/27/2005 6:42:44 PM

No, you can't be an anti-semite. Blame the jews for it.

8/27/2005 7:00:26 PM

http://www.firebaseskull.com/NA.html

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"The National Alliance, Incorporated: A ZOG False Flag Combat Cell ...Political police in all regimes often use a tactic called a "False Flag" front or combat cell. This operation involves setting up a front organization that appears to be a real opposition group. The purposes of False Flag operations are to capture control of and thus disrupt and prevent any real political opposition from emerging. Potential dissidents are both identified by this means and their efforts and resources diverted into fruitless endeavors. ...P.S. If you want to know more about false flag operations and herders for the sheep, take a look at the following URLs: Who Silenced the Outcry: (Phony Christian Conservatives) http://www.sweetliberty.org//wolves2.htm Wolves in Sheep's Clothing: (How many names do you recognize?) http://www.sweetliberty.org/wolves.htm Also see Revilo Oliver's comments about how the John Birch Society was used for the same purpose: http://www.thebirdman.org/Index/NetLoss/NetLoss-Oliver.html You could also take a gander at Joe Farah's "World Net Daily." That's a false flag operation aimed at conservatives, if ever there was one. Rush Limbaugh, too! As many of you know. In my opinion, the most harmful thing the National Alliance has done is to help shape the perception that supporting one's race and heritage is "hateful" and means "murdering everybody," etc."

8/29/2005 12:18:31 AM

Don’t Mention the word J**
http://www.williambowles.info/ini/ini-0360.html

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"Mention the word Jew in anything except reverential tones and it’s like calling the Pope a paedophile. Talk about walking on soft-boiled eggs as Muddy Waters used to sing. Such is the lock the Zionist propaganda machine has on the way anything to do with Israel is reported that even ‘Jews’ are not exempt from the wrath of the Zionist disinfo blitz as the various vicious campaigns being conducted on university campuses amply demonstrate against so-called self-hating Jews who don’t fall into line behind the mythology of the Zionist state testifies to."

Good article.

8/29/2005 11:48:27 AM

Jewish Dominance in the Porn Industry
http://www.the7thfire.com/new_world_order/zionism/jewish_dominance_in_porn.htm

9/13/2005 6:00:50 PM

^I BET THEY'RE BEHIND THE INTERRACIAL PORN TOO!

9/13/2005 6:08:28 PM

ya think?

9/13/2005 6:18:12 PM