so then apple puts enough developers on openoffice that they can't help but ship a MacOS version of openoffice...and hell, if Apple does for openoffice what they did for an interface on top of freebsd, i don't think we'd be seeing microsoft office around too much longer anyway (yeah, somewhat far-fetched...but at least OO would be taking a much larger market share than it is now)

on a side note, OO 2.0 is due out this month....we'll see what actually happens, but from using the latest builds, it's an absurd amount better than the 1.x versions

[Edited on June 9, 2005 at 12:18 PM. Reason : ]

6/9/2005 12:17:58 PM

Quote :

"Ratcheting up its support of XML, Microsoft announced on Thursday that it will release a new Extensible Markup Language (XML) technology that replaces existing Office file formats for Word, Excel and PowerPoint with fully-documented, royalty free formats. The formats, called Microsoft Office Open XML, will debut in the second half of 2006 with Office 12 and constitute a dramatic upgrade to Office and a broad extension of Microsoft's XML strategy - without the direction of standards bodies. "

Whether or not apple has office won't matter after the format opens up a little bit.

6/9/2005 2:47:29 PM

never

6/9/2005 2:59:36 PM

i know you don't

6/9/2005 3:05:57 PM

^^ Yes, I agree. A program is so much easier than a company.

[Edited on June 9, 2005 at 3:11 PM. Reason : i/=a]

6/9/2005 3:11:00 PM

Might wanna invent some smarts first.

6/9/2005 3:25:56 PM

This thread needs to terminate itself.

6/9/2005 3:26:54 PM

i'm gonna be that asshole who reposts things from slashdot, even though I read it here first (and i'm not sure what's up the the dates....) - http://www.theappleblog.com/2005/06/09/wait-for-it-wait-for-it/

Quote :

" HER DIARY: Saturday, May 21st 2005 Saw him in the evening and he was acting really strangely. I went shopping in the afternoon with the girls and I did turn up a bit late so thought it might be that. The bar was really crowded and loud so I suggested we go somewhere quieter to talk. He was still very subdued and distracted so I suggested we go somewhere nice to eat. All through dinner he just didn’t seem himself; he hardly laughed and didn’t seem to be paying any attention to me or to what I was saying. I just knew that something was wrong. He dropped me back home and I wondered if he was going to come in; he hesitated but followed. I asked him again if there was something the matter but he just half shook his head and turned the television on. After about 10 minutes of Silence, I said I was going upstairs to bed. I put my arms around him and told him that I loved him deeply. He just gave a sigh and a sad sort of smile. He didn’t follow me up but later he did, and I was surprised when we made love. He still seemed distant and a bit cold, and I started to think that he was going to leave me and that he had found someone else. I cried myself to sleep. MAN’S DIARY: Saturday, May 21st 2005 Apple switched to Intel. Absolutely gutted. Got a shag though. "

6/9/2005 9:38:06 PM

hahahaha that's fucking awesome

6/9/2005 10:21:11 PM

^^ wins

6/9/2005 10:51:54 PM

No, this wins:

Quote :

"Yes, I agree. A program is so much easier than a company."

6/9/2005 11:11:53 PM

that's okay, joe and I can share the victory for this thread.

6/10/2005 6:54:24 AM

the comparison on anandtech was interesting... more so that it focuses on software differences at the end bit, also I didn't see windows doing anything in that comparison at all.... just Unix....

that said, some of the tests show even-ness and others show gross in-equalities (namely the MySQL) testing apparently tanked the Mac system for what they think were OS reasons...)

overall they seem roughly equal in many respects.... i would have been interesting to have run a version of windows on there as well with many more background processes and more overall bulk than Unix has...

Quote :

"Adobe's PC programs are MASSIVELY faster than their OSX counterparts."

haven't tested this myself in the last year or so but i doubt massively faster is somthing that would be used...

Quote :

"All this anti-trust is a bunch of complete fucking bullshit."

check out gas prices.... and diamond prices.....

i dont get why so many windows users apparently feel threatened by the 'insignificant' mac users.... hell i use both and am happy with both...

I couldnt give 2 shits in a cess pool really

[Edited on June 11, 2005 at 2:31 AM. Reason : 1]

6/11/2005 2:26:30 AM

No windows user feels threatened by OSX.

Rather, OSX users feel the need to flaunt the superiority of their OS to which the best reply is:

"Hey lets go to the software aisle."

6/11/2005 12:26:56 PM

Quote :

" "Hey lets go to the software aisle to look at all the spyware removal applications.""

Fixed that for you.

6/11/2005 1:07:48 PM

lol

6/11/2005 4:21:05 PM

^^Aha.

6/11/2005 10:03:50 PM

I don't use any spyware removal tools on any of my Windows machines.

6/11/2005 10:11:36 PM

Yea that is funny until you realize that the "spyware removal ap isle" as so you call it is bigger then the mac isle at an Apple store.

Oh and they happen to sell other software for windows too.

6/11/2005 11:33:31 PM

oooooohhhhhh SHIT HE GOT YOU GOOD YOU FUCKER!

6/11/2005 11:46:16 PM

so, did excoriator ever admit that he got owned in this thread?

6/12/2005 12:22:17 AM

Quote :

" Dell CEO Would Be "Happy" to Sell Apple's OS X on His PCs E-mail Contributed by Devin Thursday, 16 June 2005 David Kirkpatrick of Fortune reported an interesting e-mail from Michael Dell, chairman and CEO of Dell Computers, that said he would be open to selling PCs with Apple's OS X operating system. AppleDell wrote in the e-mail, "If Apple decides to open the Mac OS to others, we would be happy to offer it to our customers." This is the first major player in the PC manufacturing business that has openly admitted to the desire to run Apple's popular operating system on their PCs. While Apple hasn't officially stated any plans to open up OS X to any other platform, this is a major endorsement from the PC industry. Since Apple's announcement last week that they would be transitioning over to the x86 platform using Intel CPUs, speculation has run wild in the industry. This isn't the first time that running OS X on a PC has come up, but many industry analysts think it could be a risk to Apple. One of Apple's key advantages in the operating system business is that the computer company tightly controls the hardware that their OS is run on. Windows, on the other hand, faces the challenge of working on multiple configurations from different manufacturers to home-built boxes. If Apple were to license OS X to run on other Intel-based PCs, the operating system that is known for its ease-of-use might not "just work" anymore. Another alternative for Apple is to only license their operating system to PC manufacturers that agree to a rigid set of hardware requirements. The latest stance from Apple on the issue was presented right after Steve Jobs' Intel announcement. Apple Senior Vice President Phil Schiller remarked about the idea of running OS X on PCs, "We will not allow running Mac OS X on anything other than an Apple Mac." "

who WOULDN'T

6/16/2005 5:32:06 PM

whoops i'm back motherfuckers

http://news.google.com/news?hl=en&hs=CCP&lr=&client=firefox-a&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&tab=wn&ie=ISO-8859-1&ncl=http://www.extremetech.com/article2/0,1697,1853251,00.asp

I told you so

8/29/2005 10:24:59 AM

Quote :

"Under the deal, Apple does not have to actually buy any Freescale chips “other than work in progress that was in place at the time the agreement was executed.” This seems to mean that it is pretty much wide open to buy what it likes and when it likes."

8/29/2005 10:29:53 AM

haha in your fuckin face. i knew they wouldn't be able to do it

8/29/2005 10:41:26 AM

^ It's been awhile, catch me up. What did you say?

8/29/2005 11:13:37 AM

said they wouldnt switch all their shit over by 2007

8/29/2005 11:16:08 AM

yes, b/c having a backup plan def means they're not going to switch to intel

why'd you even bring this back up anyways, everybody has already moved on and forgotten that you got owned here

[Edited on August 29, 2005 at 11:23 AM. Reason : .]

8/29/2005 11:22:21 AM

i never said they wouldn't switch ever - just that they couldn't do it all by 2007

brought it up because it was a false pwnage brought on by jobs' lies

[Edited on August 29, 2005 at 11:24 AM. Reason : s]

8/29/2005 11:24:03 AM

Don't fucking lie dude.

From page 1:

Quote :

"If apple announces on Monday that it, "plans to move... to Intel chips in... higher-end models such as the Power Mac in mid-2007" then I hereby pledge to retire this name that same day."

posted june 3, from page one.

Quote :

" It would also seem to fly in the face of Apple’s gushing June announcement that X86 microprocessors would “permeate the entire Macintosh product line by the end of 2007”. "

From your own article.

[Edited on August 29, 2005 at 11:24 AM. Reason : /]

8/29/2005 11:24:43 AM

they didn't announce it on june 7, they lied on june 7


i'm back bitches. apple reneged


[Edited on August 29, 2005 at 11:26 AM. Reason : s]

8/29/2005 11:25:14 AM

What the fuck are you talking about dude.

They made a public announcement and you fucking stated that if they announced a move you'd resign.

So

Shut

the

fuck up

and

Resign.

[Edited on August 29, 2005 at 11:34 AM. Reason : Don't make me fucking shove a dictionary definition up your seeping anus.]

8/29/2005 11:34:04 AM

fuck no.

i held up my end of the bargain - look at my post history

but if apple's gonna jerk this shit around like they're doing there's no fucking way i'm going to stick to a broken promise

anyway, this argument is as good as over. apple broke their word; they're not going to switch all their shit over by 2007 - and now i'm back.

if you got a problem with it, take it up with steve jobs.

[Edited on August 29, 2005 at 11:40 AM. Reason : s]

8/29/2005 11:38:03 AM

what I really want to know is

who gives a fuck about Apple anyway?

8/29/2005 11:47:49 AM

You know

Thats a great fucking point actually.

8/29/2005 12:11:18 PM

I think I should just go ahead and suspend your account name.

8/29/2005 12:33:22 PM

So what screenname were you using?

8/29/2005 1:34:04 PM

SHOW THE MOFUCKA WHO THA BOSS IS MAUGAN

8/29/2005 1:34:47 PM

this motherfucker backpedals more than pat robertson

8/29/2005 2:27:35 PM

Quote :

" anyway, this argument is as good as over. apple broke their word; they're not going to switch all their shit over by 2007 - and now i'm back. if you got a problem with it, take it up with steve jobs. "

Broke their word? Apple NEVER said they would switch ALL of ANYTHING by ANY date. They SAID they would have x86 based desktops and laptops on the market by 2007. How YOU rationalize it is your business, but you STILL are wrong and going back on your "word".

Also you dipshit, they ALREADY have WORKING x86 units in the wild (developer kit) and a fully functional OS to go with it. So I hardly see how it's a lie or fake or anything else you propose.

In addition, they are going to keep around PPC's on servers for a while because they ARE much more powerful for certain clustered computing. Especially in the scientific supercomputer realm, the PPC architecture is hardly dead or surpassed by x86 yet.

[Edited on August 29, 2005 at 2:45 PM. Reason : .]

8/29/2005 2:44:07 PM

http://www.thestreet.com/_googlen/stocks/troywolverton/10240000.html

Quote :

" The deal with Freescale doesn't necessarily imply that it is delaying the completion of its move to Intel processors. Under the agreement, Apple has no obligation to buy any chips from Freescale except those in orders the chipmaker is already processing. In other words, the deal could just be a contingency plan in case of a delay, or it could simply allow Apple to buy chips to repair or replace those used in older models. But the deal could indicate that Apple is worried that a delay is possible or even probable."

http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=25767

Quote :

"Under the deal, Apple does not have to actually buy any Freescale chips “other than work in progress that was in place at the time the agreement was executed.” This seems to mean that it is pretty much wide open to buy what it likes and when it likes."

http://www.mercurynews.com/mld/mercurynews/business/12492493.htm

Quote :

"``I guess they're trying to hedge their bets,'' said Peter N. Glaskowsky, a microprocessor analyst for the Envisioneering Group in Seaford, N.Y. ``If the PowerPC to Intel transition doesn't go as expected, they'll still have a supply of PowerPC chips.''"

http://www.betanews.com/article/PowerPC_Chips_Keep_Flowing_to_Apple/1125330840

Quote :

"The filing also said that Apple reserved the right to stop ordering PowerPC chips at any time during that period."

You can infer what you want from this move, but Apple has not reneged on their statement.

This move guarantees nothing.

(thanks for those links, btw)

8/29/2005 4:38:38 PM

article posted on HN today, pretty nice trip through memory lane

https://tedium.co/2020/06/16/apple-powerpc-intel-transition-history/

6/20/2020 1:33:47 PM

This is a nice pre-Google, pre-mobile thread

[Edited on June 21, 2020 at 5:38 PM. Reason : .]

6/21/2020 5:38:25 PM

I'm 1000% in support of Apple moving to their own silicon and i'm intrigued about where they take neural engine and any other chips/features they add to their SoC

6/24/2020 2:43:22 PM

https://www.techradar.com/news/iphone-12-wont-include-a-charger-or-earbuds-according-to-analyst

lol

6/29/2020 8:48:10 AM

Love the "pretty soon, screen will be sold separately" comments.

I mean, if you've moved through iPhones, you have a screen laying around you could swap out.

6/29/2020 2:55:11 PM

Mashable is right...fuck chargers, provide a case

[Edited on June 30, 2020 at 3:21 AM. Reason : And wired headphones...lol haven’t used those since like 2014]

6/30/2020 3:20:14 AM

headphones aren't a big deal. but a charger seems pretty important, no?

6/30/2020 9:14:07 AM

Only if it changes to usbc and even then no cause those are even cheaper than usb c to lightning. Most people prob have a box of cables in their closet anyways, or went from iphone to iphone so over time got a ton of cables stockpiled. And cables are so cheap anyways. Just got a 2 pack of usbc to lightning cables for like 8 off slickdeals

6/30/2020 5:54:21 PM

Fucking assholes are taking away my Dark Sky

7/5/2020 3:14:04 PM