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"archie miller didnt transfer"

and he's not in the NBA either

...oh, and Vince Carter didn't play for State.

Me thinks some folks are trying to have a little fun with some anti-Herb folks.

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"for every time you name a single bad game we've had, there's a good one to go along with it. every team has ups and downs. if you limit your sample size to just us, unc, and duke then yeah, you're going to be disappointed. that's all there is to it."

Aside from your support for Herb, you are an absolute idiot to think that we haven't made blowing leads an art. We've had a couple of great comebacks... and hats off to the entire team (coaches too!) for them. Wake Forest when we were down by 20 comes to mind.

However, we have blown so many leads you would have to be a complete and utter nimrod to deny that it happens to us more than anyone else in the country. We had like 4 or 5 games this season where we blew double digit leads (yet, to our credit, we actually won them this season).

I don't give a damn how you feel about Herb. If you think he can do no wrong and deny that he's terrible at preserving leads then you are a moron.

That would be equivalent to any of us denying that Herb Sendek has made our program much better today than it was 10 years ago.

[Edited on March 13, 2006 at 6:01 PM. Reason : ]

3/13/2006 6:00:37 PM

I'm pretty sure Ron Kelley plays for the Pistons and he didnt transfer

3/13/2006 6:01:39 PM

im not reading this whole damn thread

but im for anything that makes us better

3/13/2006 6:01:48 PM

TreeTwista10

Quote :

"Me thinks some folks are trying to have a little fun with some anti-Herb folks. "

3/13/2006 6:03:14 PM

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"statefan24, what kind of season would have made you happy?"

how about one where we don't slump at the point where teams are supposed to be their best?

not losing to the worst team in the acc twice?

not getting swept BADLY by our rival?

just a thought.

3/13/2006 6:25:44 PM

Jordan Collins is being mentioned as a possible replacement at Indiana.

3/13/2006 6:31:55 PM

^ I saw him on campus today

3/13/2006 6:50:58 PM

UNC and Duke fans love herb and want him to stay

because with herb everyone outside of raleigh knows that we will never compete with these teams on a year to year basis

3/13/2006 6:56:20 PM

Dear Herb Lovers,

I regret to inform you that you are all fighting a losing cause. It pains me to say this but you all must now get off the Herbie cock. It has been a nice ride but the fat lady has sung. I am the head coach of this program, therefore I must be held accountable. From the bottom of my heart, I sincerely apologize to the Wolfpack faithful for causing such unnecessary dissension among fans, students, alumni, et al. I can't bear to stay here a minute longer realizing that my fellow Wolfpackers are attacking each other because of just one man. For the love of everything NC STATE, I will man up and take the high road and depart this great university on good terms so that we won't be embarassed by a public firing. I have already sent out "feelers" and Team Sendek is out prospecting other schools behind the scenes. Look towards this Sunday's matchup against Texas as the "passing of the torch". No matter who the new coach will be atleast Wolfpack Nation can finally unite once again. So this Friday...let's go out there and "win one for the Herbster!"

Sincerely Yours,
Herbert J. Sendek






My name is Lee Fowler and I approve this post.



[Edited on March 13, 2006 at 7:43 PM. Reason : beat Cal]

[Edited on March 13, 2006 at 8:04 PM. Reason : beat Cal]

3/13/2006 7:42:26 PM

who the hell is Herbert Walker Sendek?

3/13/2006 7:49:07 PM

I googled it and a couple sites had it Walker. Wiki has it as J. oh well, I don't care.

3/13/2006 8:06:46 PM

Only 15 teams in the country have made the NCAA for the past 5 consecutive years.

3/13/2006 8:10:07 PM

but yet our 'fans' are crying about that cause we havent won the NC 3 out of those 5 times

3/13/2006 8:20:04 PM

I just find it ironic that there's so much bickering in a thread calling for unison. I didn't read this entire thread but on the first page rallydurham diplomatically put up some good points and all he got was trolling and irrational responses.

The point here, people, is that even if a new coach stepped in and had a losing season atleast there's one positive out of it. Do or die, we'd be united and supporting him 110%. For the fanbase who remember better days, we just want a change, any change. Some are just blindly and stubbornly drinking the koolaid.

3/13/2006 8:35:14 PM

As an NCSU fan since I was in the womb, I am very, very frustrated with the two money-making sports of our university. I'm sick of accepting mediocrity, and that is what Fowler is doing with these two programs. It gets OLD losing to Carolina...I admit that there are times when I would prefer us to have losing seasons if it meant beating the Tarheels. Without a change, we are going to continue to be a laughing-stock to that icky school up the road.

That being said, I will always support our players...just not the coaches and athletic director.

3/13/2006 8:42:09 PM

to u

3/13/2006 8:42:48 PM

^Wuv woo baby...and my show won't be on until April now

3/13/2006 8:43:53 PM

WTF!

3/13/2006 8:45:01 PM

Quote :

"question:: Was Herb getting it done when we were 21-5??????????? or was that all the players doing keeping him from looking so bad (like someone said Grundy did a few years back)??? and now that we are temporarily struggling it is all Herb's fault???"

Nobody answered this question. This thread has stupid all over it. When we are good its because we have good players, when we suck its all Herb.

3/13/2006 9:11:25 PM

the players have sucked the entire losing streak and even some games before that especially Ced, Atsur, Evtimov and Bethel..if they do not wake up....we will get ran off the court...but i am one of the few that believe they can make a run

3/13/2006 9:16:14 PM

I'm pretty damn confident that Justin Gainey is starting point guard for the Phoenix Suns and he never transfered, so once again wolfpak4life, you are totally wrong, dumbass

3/13/2006 10:31:41 PM

^steve nash?

3/13/2006 10:46:05 PM

no its gainey, i think i know

also Anthony Grundy is the starting SG on the Lakers...you guys dont know shit about basketball

3/13/2006 10:49:08 PM

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"I just find it ironic that there's so much bickering in a thread calling for unison. I didn't read this entire thread but on the first page rallydurham diplomatically put up some good points and all he got was trolling and irrational responses."

Thank you.

Five pages of incessant whining.


I didnt mean for this thread to be a repeat of the 100 other threads.

This was me taking initiative and trying to make something happen.

All this garbage accomplishes nothing.


I'll admit I got caught up in some of the back and forth arguing, and that I should know better by now than to feed the trolls.



Let's re-establish unity, PLEASE.

We need to take steps to re-unite the nation. Everyone agrees ridding Herbert is the only way to do that.

A house divided can not stand, much like a Sendek coached team can not win.



[Edited on March 13, 2006 at 11:39 PM. Reason : a]

3/13/2006 11:36:45 PM

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"We need to take steps to re-unite the nation. Everyone agrees ridding Herbert is the only way to do that."

If everyone agreed on that then the nation wouln't be divided

3/13/2006 11:41:07 PM

You seriously think the best way to approach this is to burn an effigy of Herb Sendek?

3/13/2006 11:42:13 PM

No, everyone might not agree that ridding Herbert is the RIGHT move.


But certainly everyone agrees its the only way to re-establish unity.


What would a sweet 16 appearance REALLY do for us?

We'd still blow a lead in the next round or get the shit kicked out of us by not scoring for 11 straight minutes.

We'd still face all the same problems next year.

We'd still have all the morons saying "we have ____ & ____ recruits coming in next year, give it time!!!!"




^ and hell yes I do. An effigy might be a signal to Herb that he needs to leave under his own terms before shit really hits the fan.

I'm telling you after our football team BOMBS (Marcus Stone is our QB, remember?) next year there will be NO room for error during basketball season.

And then the pressure will really build on Amato, Sendek, AND Fowler.


[Edited on March 13, 2006 at 11:45 PM. Reason : a]

3/13/2006 11:43:26 PM

Boy, I can't think of a better way to unify us all than burning an effigy. Shit, hopefully we can riot, rape, and pillage too. And if we're lucky there could be a hanging!



I don't think that Herb is right for this team, but come on man, this shit is ridiculous.

3/13/2006 11:45:49 PM

^yeah


but

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"There is no fucking shame in losing. No one is upset that we LOST to UNC they are upset that we got dominated by UNC. To the point where you question if we had any clue there was a game that night. People are pissed that the DOORMAT of the ACC just wiped the floor with us twice in a week. If we went into this tournament as a 5 seed and beat the 12 and then lost 68-60 to Pittsburgh in a game where we REBOUNDED, took GOOD shots, played DEFENSE, and didnt PLAY Evtimov no one would be fucking pissed off and calling for Sendeks head. There is a HUGE difference between losing and being beaten before you ever step foot on the court. We are a lame duck team under Sendek. You dont win by thinking, you win by playing. "

While I hate to agree with rallydurham, this was a good post.

3/13/2006 11:54:54 PM

I said almost nothing after we lost by 20 to Seton Hall (a bubble team).

Why?

Because we were having a good season and bad performances were the exception, not the norm.

It's basketball. You are gonna have days where you simply can't hit shots. Sure I was pissed that Herb mistakenly left Evtimov in all game when he was getting dominated defensively and on the glass.

But I wasn't pissed to the point where I wanted to burn him in effigy.


There is a HUGE difference between a bad showing one night and a bad showing for a MONTH.

This team surprised me by the start they got off to, but really looked lackluster for several games and then completely tailspinned down the stretch.

We aren't losing because a few shots here and there aren't falling. We are losing because we are being outhustled, outrebounded, outsmarted, outcoached, outprepared, and some other word that starts with OUT.

This shit has to go.

3/14/2006 12:06:32 AM

outfaned

3/14/2006 12:08:57 AM

is this a facebook group or something?

3/14/2006 1:10:33 AM

^a million posts up, sorry didnt catch the sarcasm twist

3/14/2006 1:25:51 AM

Quote :

"HEY LOKKEN CAN YOU ALSO EXPLAIN WHY SOMETHING LIKE THIS HAPPENS LIKE EVERY YEAR YOU KNOW SOMEONE GETTING INJURED AT A CRITICAL JUNCTURE BLOWING AWAY LEADS IN UNDER TWO MINUTES ILL THROW YOU A BONE EXPLAIN WHY ITS HAPPENED THE LAST FIVE YEARS. SINCE BEFORE THAT WE DIDNT EVEN HAVE A WINNING RECORD WITH HERB."

if you can explain why, over the past 5 years

we have multiple 20+ win seasons

matched consecutive trips to the NCAAs for the first time since valvano

have had the PoY and Coy in the best bball conference in america

visited the sweet 16, by beating one of the best coaches, and defending champions

have brought in, and had committed better and better talent.

---

ill give your ignorant ass a hint. its because of the coach. The same coach that needs to improve closing out games, the same coach that needs to improve his adjustments when he plays some of the best coaches in the country, the same coach that needs to be more animated and fire his kids up more.

Dipshits like you annoy people with a clue because its all or nothing with you. which is just mind numbingly stupid. Sendek isnt a perfect coach and noone is arguing he is perfect, which is the exact argument youre yelling and screaming at. Everyone knows we need to rebound better and get more FTA. no shit, but people with a clue also know those are limited b/c of our offense style, a style which anyone can tell is evolving and changing.

just like the coach. coaches have to adjust to new talents and new playstyles just like the players, especially young coaches like sendek. Our program has gone through a fucking HUGE change over the past decade during a time when Duke and UNC have had the most success in their programs historys. All thanks to Sendek. Until he regresses the program, im not going to stop supporting him.

3/14/2006 8:48:05 AM

I'll throw my 2 cents in....I think Herb has done a good job from taking the program out of the bottom of the league and into the mid to upper average spot in the league. I do not feel that he can take us to the top spot. Alot of the frustration that I have is with the players, especially Evtimov and Atsur. They play european style and walk the ball around and dont seem to be motivated at all (actually now that I think about it, our whole team pretty much does that). There is no passion whatsoever. And when is the last time Evtimov actually made one of those baby hooks that he shoots 2 or 3 times a game? I dont think he has made one in two years! We dont have anyone on our team that can shoot a consistent jump shot. We have a team full of set shooters.

3/14/2006 9:23:35 AM

Quote :

"if you can explain why, over the past 5 years we have multiple 20+ win seasons matched consecutive trips to the NCAAs for the first time since valvano have had the PoY and Coy in the best bball conference in america visited the sweet 16, by beating one of the best coaches, and defending champions have brought in, and had committed better and better talent. "

Nothing you said explains why we've lost 4 straight games, a majority of which were blowouts.

Nothing you said explains why every season we have a stretch of games where we look terrible.

Nothing you said explains why in a decade of Herb Ball, we've made it to the S16 only last year and then promptly fell apart and allowed a low scoring Wisconsin team to comeback and beat us.

Nothing you said explains why Roy's freshmen, twice, destroyed our seasoned squad.

You've said a bunch of shit and statistics that point to the same mediocre record over and over again.

No shit we have 20+ wins when we play cupcakes. Wake Forest has fucking 17 wins this season, two against us, and they're last place in the ACC..

Stop repeating yourself like a god damn clown until you can come with sound logic as to why we burn out in some fashion every single year.

3/14/2006 11:20:12 AM

BTTT dis for Lokken to answer with more past season statistics and boring insults.

3/14/2006 1:39:11 PM

speaking of repeating yourself

nothing YOUVE stated explains why the program would be better off if we didnt have herb

nothing YOUVE stated explains why herb hasnt improved the program

nothing YOUVE stated explains why we shouldnt expect to see continued success and improvement in the NCAAs

in essence, all YOU do is bitch and moan that herb never beats carolina

somewhere in your clown mind you have the impression that people are arguing that herb is perfect and that nothing he does is wrong. he has nothing to improve on, or that we should be happy always losing to UNC or Duke.

We lost 4 straight because we dont have a perfect team like your beloved heels/devils. We dont have a perfect coach. They have motivation problems, they have consistency problems. Ive said it before, and ill continue to notice it. but youwill just ignore that i said this and keep it going in your pea sized brain that i think nothing that goes wrong is herbs fault.

In a decade of herb ball, he hasnt had the talent or ability to take a team to the sweet 16. At most you could argue he had the talent to reach the level of 16 the past 5 years(including this one). last year he reached it.

Youre the only fucker not answering questions here. All you are harping on is a 4 game losing streak we have right now. Your dimwit ass continually ignores what he took the program from and what he took it to. You simplify your arguments to span 10 years as if he took over the program in the shape it is in now. Youre a fucking joke, you have no answers for the improvements that he has done, so you ignore them by bitching about losing to an ACC team.

if herb makes no improvements to this fucking program

how do you explain the jump in record, including this year

how do you explain the jump in talent coming here including this year

how do you explain the higher level of consistency including this year?

do you think all of this shit just magically happened in spite of herb? are you that fucking stupid? when the entire argument is what herb has done for the program, how can your dumbass make fun of using past season statistics? Isnt one of your main bitching points the past 10 years?


[Edited on March 14, 2006 at 2:00 PM. Reason : the consistency i refer to is the NCAA appearences]

3/14/2006 1:56:31 PM

State Loyalists

3/14/2006 1:57:22 PM

[/thread]

3/14/2006 1:57:27 PM

HERB OWNED YOUR ASS, LES

3/14/2006 2:01:13 PM

Quote :

"We lost 4 straight because we dont have a perfect team like your beloved heels/devils. We dont have a perfect coach. They have motivation problems, they have consistency problems. Ive said it before, and ill continue to notice it. but you will just ignore that i said this and keep it going in your pea sized brain that i think nothing that goes wrong is herbs fault."

And Why can't we get a coach on the level of Duke or UNC? Why do we have to settle for Herb?

Quote :

"In a decade of herb ball, he hasnt had the talent or ability to take a team to the sweet 16. At most you could argue he had the talent to reach the level of 16 the past 5 years(including this one). last year he reached it."

He has had some of the best recruting classes in the country. We've had the talent. We haven't had the coaching.

Quote :

"Youre the only fucker not answering questions here. All you are harping on is a 4 game losing streak we have right now. Your dimwit ass continually ignores what he took the program from and what he took it to. You simplify your arguments to span 10 years as if he took over the program in the shape it is in now. Youre a fucking joke, you have no answers for the improvements that he has done, so you ignore them by bitching about losing to an ACC team."

I know what he took the program from, but since he brought us up to a certain level he hasn't done anything more than that. He has plateaued.

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"if herb makes no improvements to this fucking program how do you explain the jump in record, including this year"

Look at the schedule

Quote :

"how do you explain the jump in talent coming here [/b]including[/b] this year"

We've had the talent coming in. We just haven't done anything with it.

Quote :

"how do you explain the higher level of consistency including this year?"

constistantly losing games we should win?

Quote :

"do you think all of this shit just magically happened in spite of herb? are you that fucking stupid? when the entire argument is what herb has done for the program, how can your dumbass make fun of using past season statistics? Isnt one of your main bitching points the past 10 years?"

When will you realize that he has plateaued. Things won't get better.

3/14/2006 2:02:22 PM

if we don't make the elite 8

3/14/2006 2:04:07 PM

more like

when we don't make the elite 8

3/14/2006 2:05:37 PM

3/14/2006 2:06:25 PM

check out some of these gems from /message_topic.aspx?topic=165962&page=1:

SandSanta:

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"If they fire sendek now Then we wont be good at basketball until well past I graduate. So no. And fuck you."

SandSanta:

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from /message_topic.aspx?topic=170687&page=1
Ibe:

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"shit, Grace, bigthew and I were fucking supporting the Herb before the season started guess what niggas I'm still here -nutsmack®"

Ibe:

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"(quoting me) Quote : "it's like i said, a lot of the people are just blindly supporting the anti-Herb movement, as if it's some sort of social endeavour. many of them don't even have true opinions, or any true knowledge on the matter." I remember taking a friend to a basketball game, he had no fucking clue, but he was a person that wanted Herb Fired. Needless to say, he hasn't been back to a game, at least with me. "

nice thread here from Ibe:/message_topic.aspx?topic=166627&page=1#3484639

many more to come

3/14/2006 2:07:15 PM

Quote :

"And Why can't we get a coach on the level of Duke or UNC? Why do we have to settle for Herb?"

That I dont know. At this point i don think 'settling' for Herb is 'bad'. I still think he is improving. Please remember herb is much younger than K or Roy. He has dealt with less talent than either of those two have as well. IMO Herb has a lot of room to grow into good/great coach.

Quote :

"He has had some of the best recruting classes in the country. We've had the talent. We haven't had the coaching. "

The catch 22 there is without the coach the talent wouldnt be coming here. The talent was attracted by the coach you want to get rid of, so its a roll of the dice to replace the coach and just hope the talent still wants to come.

Quote :

"I know what he took the program from, but since he brought us up to a certain level he hasn't done anything more than that. He has plateaued."

This is where our opinions differ. I dont think he has reached a plateau. I see signs of improvement. Im not saying they are as fast as I want them to be, but I dont think Sendek has reached his best ability. He is too young of a coach.

Quote :

"Look at the schedule"

youre right. look at the schedule from the early 90s and look at it today. for any team. cupcakes abound, records fluxuate.

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"We've had the talent coming in. We just haven't done anything with it."

Herb has got tallent to start trickling in, and weve become a perrenial ncaa team, nationally ranked, and hit sweet 16 last year. I am willing to see what else he can do.

Quote :

"constistantly losing games we should win?"

I agree with you. One of Herbs problems is that he loses to teams he should beat. Happens to every team though. K lost to GW, and FSU, Roy lost to USC and Santa Clara. It does happen to herb more, but like i said, i think he will improve on that as well.

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"When will you realize that he has plateaued. Things won't get better."

See above comments

3/14/2006 2:11:11 PM

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"check out some of these gems from "

I'm not blinded by ideology. I follow facts and herb is not fit for NC State.\

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"That I dont know. At this point i don think 'settling' for Herb is 'bad'. I still think he is improving. Please remember herb is much younger than K or Roy. He has dealt with less talent than either of those two have as well. IMO Herb has a lot of room to grow into good/great coach."

He won't grow here. It's been the same shit year in and year out. do enough to save your job.

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"The catch 22 there is without the coach the talent wouldnt be coming here. The talent was attracted by the coach you want to get rid of, so its a roll of the dice to replace the coach and just hope the talent still wants to come."

That's why you replace the coach with a nationally recognized coach. I'm not talking about getting a mid-major coach in here.

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"This is where our opinions differ. I dont think he has reached a plateau. I see signs of improvement. Im not saying they are as fast as I want them to be, but I dont think Sendek has reached his best ability. He is too young of a coach."

Maybe when he got here he was too young of a coach, but he is 42 now. Secondly, I've watched the same 2nd half fall apart the entire time herb has been here. He has plateaued

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"youre right. look at the schedule from the early 90s and look at it today. for any team. cupcakes abound, records fluxuate. "

A good team doesn't have a record fluxuate

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"Herb has got tallent to start trickling in, and weve become a perrenial ncaa team, nationally ranked, and hit sweet 16 last year. I am willing to see what else he can do."

do you know what a bad year at Kentucky is? Being an 8 seed in the tournament. NC State was and should be like that.

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"I agree with you. One of Herbs problems is that he loses to teams he should beat. Happens to every team though. K lost to GW, and FSU, Roy lost to USC and Santa Clara. It does happen to herb more, but like i said, i think he will improve on that as well."

K and roy do it less frequently and they also win the big games. Herb does it way too often.

[Edited on March 14, 2006 at 2:21 PM. Reason : .]

3/14/2006 2:17:02 PM

really? you follow facts? what facts have you discovered that weren't there 2 years ago that now make you want herb gone?

3/14/2006 2:19:29 PM

Quote :

"really? you follow facts? what facts have you discovered that weren't there 2 years ago that now make you want herb gone?"

He insistance on running his modified Princeton offense despite now having the talent to not run it. Despite the fact that he said he would run a more athletic and fast paced offense when he got the talent. The fact that we still have the 2nd half collapse. the fact that we lost to Florida State last year at home (FSU hadn't won on the road in a long ass time), lost to Seton hall, lost to Iowa, lost to Georgia Tech, Wake Forest and will be one and done again.

3/14/2006 2:24:17 PM