Herb was responsible for Evtimov still being on the court.

3/22/2006 1:53:07 PM

it's a longshot but vaughn is good friends with wright.

scout.com lists vaughn's top interest as being unc (haven't offered him a scholly as of yet). and we are a medium interest. if unc doesn't give him an offer, he may be inlcined to come here with chris and beat unc for not letting him come there. (ie bobby hurley at duke).

it was just a possibility. even without vaughn that is gonna be a good class though. it would be a great class with him.

[Edited on March 22, 2006 at 1:54 PM. Reason : ]

3/22/2006 1:54:24 PM

Evtimov and Bennermen getting injured were totally responsible for us getting blown out 5 games, practically in a row.

3/22/2006 1:54:35 PM

im sure he'll be at unc

he is a 5 star sean may clone

plus he is showing HIGH interest in UNC

3/22/2006 1:57:05 PM

all im saying is if they were that intersted, he'd have an offer by now. they're obviously going after someone else first.

3/22/2006 2:00:32 PM

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"well I know we were a 7 seed last year, not a 10 seed I wonder how many more of those stats are wrong"

Not rubbing anything in or whatever, just letting it be known that stats are correct. Per statefansnation btw. Of course we were 10 seed b/c we(Jules) beat UConn to reach the Sweet 16. But thanks for playing.

3/22/2006 2:04:06 PM

^we could have beaten a 2 seed as a 7 seed as well, but yeah we were a 10 seed last year.

3/22/2006 2:05:40 PM

yeah i admit i was wrong gface...i just still have trouble understanding that unc CHARLOTTE had a better seed than us haha oh well the better team won

3/22/2006 2:26:44 PM

yes, we where a 10 seed last year. a couple of xplosivo's numbers are wrong...

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"Duke....2-22 UNC....6-16"

he's beaten Duke 3 times and UNC 5 times. i'm not gonna bother to check the rest because i don't really care to take the time to do so.

3/22/2006 2:29:13 PM

^^Wasn't it Charlotte who had that sharp shooter named Brendan Plavich that put a hurtin' on us? I remember Lutz had a pretty strong squad last year. Don't recall the vegas line but I think it was double digits. Or maybe that was uconn. meh



^Yes you're right. xplosivo's numbers do add up correctly to 8-38 though. So maybe he was trying to remember right off the top of his head or just got a game mixed up.



[Edited on March 22, 2006 at 2:47 PM. Reason : .]

3/22/2006 2:43:15 PM

yeah Plavich was like 5/7 from behind the arc in the 1st half then he couldnt do shit in the 2nd half and we ran away with it

just the fact that a Conference USA school who didnt even win their league was a higher seed than us...

3/22/2006 2:50:27 PM

in case your forgetting we barely made the tourney last year. a ten seed was generous by most standards.

3/22/2006 3:18:39 PM

yeah we had to beat Wake in the acc tourney but like I said, the better team won (the UNCC NCSU game)

3/22/2006 3:22:52 PM

I actually think I left out the 03-04 numbers.

It really doesn't make that big of a difference if you want to get down to it.

below average is still below average.

Just to be clear, this has nothing to do with Herb as a person. He is a nice guy who I have had the pleasure to meet several times. And I think he is a decent coach. He is just not the right coach for NC State. Like it or not, State is in the ACC and to succeed in this league requires talents beyond x's and o's. You have to be able to motivate your players and the fanbase. He isn't doing that. Although, I will freely admit that if he could get the team to perform better I (as well as many others I would say) would be far more willing to forgive his lack of personality.

3/22/2006 3:25:19 PM

so answer me this...the decline of wake forest from last year to this year...lots of it probably having to do with losing chris paul...and yes wake beat us 2 out of 3 this year...but going from a top 5 national team last year to 12th place in the conference 1 year later...when has Herb EVER fallen off that much? the answer is...never

3/22/2006 3:26:56 PM

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" he is a 5 star sean may clone"

Vaughn is far from a Sean May clone. He's closer to Marvin Williams than Sean May.

He's not fat and he can shoot threes.

He's also either going to UNC or Duke. UNC will eventually offer...he's too good not to offer.

3/22/2006 3:27:01 PM

LOL treetwistah

BUT OUR COACH IS NOT AS BAD AS THEIR COACH LALALALALAAL

3/22/2006 3:29:03 PM

with the class unc is bringing in next year, it's possible they want to recruit different guys that are just as good but fit their needs better. all i was saying was it's possible. and i don't know how strong his friendship with wright is.

i know it's not likely, but i think it's more likely than say, bill cowher coming to coach our football team

3/22/2006 3:29:32 PM

Herb hasn't fallen that far because he hasn't had the chance.

You have to reach some heights in order to fall a great distance.

The difference will be if Wake spends the next 5-6 years as a mediocre team or is this is a rebuilding year. UNC had though with Doh and Duke had that 9-whatever season a few years ago. Happens to everyone.

3/22/2006 3:29:45 PM

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"i know it's not likely, but i think it's more likely than say, bill cowher coming to coach our football team"

One can dream.

I would spontaneously combust if Bill Cowher became our football coach.

3/22/2006 3:34:49 PM

so would i, but for different reasons. i'd be worried about the steelers

3/22/2006 3:38:00 PM

Hey Herb haters...you might as well be asking Tony Soprano if you can move your family to Florida...oh man the first post in this thread has pwnt the whole damn thread the whole time

3/22/2006 4:57:36 PM

Dude

Every year we flake out

Pwns all of us.

3/22/2006 4:58:59 PM

but Herb is the coach

how many other teams have made the NCAA tournament the last 5 years? only one in our conference, that is Duke, I think they are a decent team

that said, I would love an 8 win season if we were GUARANTEED a national title a few years later

3/22/2006 4:59:58 PM

You know

There's a term for a dude that goes out on a billion dates but never scores.

I believe that term is loser.

3/22/2006 5:03:14 PM

so by that rationale, there are like 324 division 1 dudes in the nation and only like 25 of them have ever scored...great analogy, as usual

3/22/2006 5:05:14 PM

Well..yea basically.

Like, when I'm in a funk, I sure as hell don't try to make myself feel better by thinking

BOY GOLLY GOSH, AT LEAST THERE ARE A BILLION UGLY FOLK THAT CANT GET LAID EITHER!

3/22/2006 5:08:40 PM

my point is that we're not talking about getting laid which pretty much everyone can do if they put forth some effort

we're talking about winning a national championship, something that only 1 team does a year, and that only a couple dozen have ever done, a small percentage of the hundreds of D1 teams

so why dont you think about how you got laid in 83 and 74 and there are some teams who have never even gotten to the final fourth base

[Edited on March 22, 2006 at 5:16 PM. Reason : is winning the NIT like getting a blowjob?]

3/22/2006 5:15:36 PM

You really have no idea what "in context" means do you?

Whats the point of NCAAB Div I competitive basketball?

Whats the point of dating?

k

stfu now.

3/22/2006 5:18:18 PM

maybe you dont get laid IRL and thats why you always are in a bad mood bitching about herb...me on the other hand, i enjoy our progress, maybe I'm just getting laid more than you

3/22/2006 5:19:36 PM

When you watch us play our rivals

Do you divide their score by a half, and add that to ours in your head?

Thats gotta be it.

3/22/2006 5:22:35 PM

When you watch us play teams that are NOT our rivals

Do you even watch all those games?

Thats gotta be it.

3/22/2006 5:25:46 PM

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"my point is that we're not talking about getting laid which pretty much everyone can do if they put forth some effort"

Well, using your logic there, pretty much anyone can have a 20 win season as long as they front load their schedule with creampuffs. winning 20 games these days isn't a real good representation of a team's strength. In some cases, yes, but it is pretty easy to fudge that number.

3/22/2006 5:26:55 PM

creampuffs like alabama and george washington

3/22/2006 5:28:18 PM

Yea I do.

i can't decide between my three favorites though:

Iowa, Seton Hall, and the season clincher at Wake.

3/22/2006 5:30:07 PM

i'm surprised texas isnt your favorite since you were trying to name all our OOC losses and could only come up with two

but again, when your favorite games are games we lost...you might be a redneckcloset carolina fan

3/22/2006 5:32:00 PM

Well

When I watch our team

The only real good basketball is when we lose.

Whether we play awesome and just come up short (Duke)

Or the other team out right manhandles the living hell out of us (see above).

3/22/2006 5:48:09 PM

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"Herb was responsible for David Thompson falling on his head 30 years ago"

You're full of shit. If Herb was responsible for that one, DT wouldn't have dropped 28 on UCLA in the next game. GAAAAHHHHHHH

3/22/2006 5:53:10 PM

HEY GUYS

HERBS NOT GOING ANYWHERE

STOP WASTING YOUR HATE ON HIM

HATE HATE HATE

3/22/2006 5:53:50 PM

tweetrista, final fourth base? Don't know if that was intentional but I chuckled.

3/22/2006 7:52:28 PM

Quote :

"HEY GUYS HERBS NOT GOING ANYWHERE STOP WASTING YOUR HATE ON HIM HATE HATE HATE"

He wasn't trying to be serious, but I agree with this comment.

If you don't support Herb as coach, stop going to games/paying for tickets. End of story.

3/22/2006 9:23:33 PM

Herb just needs to be tougher and more emotional with our players. When you think about the injuries and the not so so great players we have to begin with, getting to the second round is not that bad. Yes we need to get some nice recruits and he could do a bit better in that department.

3/22/2006 10:56:42 PM

next year will hinge on atsur, grant and simmons. herb can only do so much

3/22/2006 10:58:04 PM

And Fells.

3/22/2006 11:47:41 PM

oh great. So now expectations are already being lowered by Herb's supporters.

3/23/2006 12:20:13 AM

Next year is a building year connecting to 2007 when Wright and hopefully some more recruits come in.

Atsur is hopefully all we lose after next year. PLEASE STAY CED!!!

I will still bet we will be in the 4th place area and finish with 20 wins, and then we can listen to more bitching!!!!

3/23/2006 12:23:31 AM

nutsmackr you still dont realize the difference in "wanting greatness" and "expecting greatness" do you

3/23/2006 12:33:49 AM

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"Next year is a building year"

Not necessarily. I think next year really depends on the development of Cedric Simmons, Grant, and Fells...but mainly Simmons.

Simmons has scary potential. He was still raw this year. If Simmons becomes the force can be, Grant continues the great play he exhibited at the end of this year, and Fells plays up to his potential...we could have a big year next year.

3/23/2006 12:38:38 AM

^^I expect and want greatness

you expect shit.

3/23/2006 1:58:40 AM

Next year is a building year

i suggest the herb haters accept this, and save themselves some agony.

3/23/2006 2:00:43 AM