i already called and thanked him on voicemail.. haha

3/27/2006 5:44:10 PM

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"I think people should be e-mailing Vice Chancellor Tom Stafford thanking him for putting an end to this joke of a student government election, and encouraging him not to back down until they can behave more representatively and within the rules. tom_stafford@ncsu.edu"

^Cool... some others have already been e-mailing him thanking him, so when I heard about it, I thought it was a good idea to spread.

Senate is trying to impeach our current president TPC, and they aren't representative of us anyways. I like the idea that the administration, which is where the real power is, seems to be on our side. Plus Stafford has always been a nice guy every time I've seen or spoke with him.

3/27/2006 5:48:17 PM

Doc Stafford is the man.. I'm glad he finally put his foot down over all of this. He is the one that is really being a good sport about all this, after Senate and it's leadership have taken any and every opportunity to bash him over rumors and speculations.

Read: Matt Walton and Forrest Hinton accusing Dr. Stafford of calling the fire marshall, Forrest Hinton calling the election being stopped "malicious" and "capricious" and some more big words

I'm sure that's not all, but keep on trucking Doc Staff.

3/27/2006 5:51:50 PM

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"Dear Dr. Stafford, This is just a brief thanks for putting a halt to the elections of a non-representative student government group that was trying to operate outside of their own rules. I much prefer the feeling that the administration is on the side of the students, rather than the squabbling student senate/elections committee who seem to be spending all their time trying to impeach elected representatives. Gratefully, Jake A. Goad "

Heres the e-mail I just sent him. Anyone else e-mailed him yet?

3/27/2006 6:07:09 PM

can we write in stafford for student body president.
he is doing a better job of representing my views than any of those running would.

how hard would it have been to say "ok we dont like it but we will accept part time students voting but not being able to hold office for now" and then spent the next 6 months trying to get them the right to hold office? fucking idiots in sg.

3/27/2006 6:14:09 PM

Also urge him to consider a direct democracy where everyone votes using the online system rather than a republic with an unrepresentative senate. This could bypass all the troubles senate causes without disenfranchising the students. A university isn't so large and abstract that a senate is required, especially one with the voting system resources we have.

3/27/2006 6:23:42 PM

^^^^ my sentiments exactly


VOTE TOMMY FOR SBP...

3/27/2006 6:30:42 PM

you guys are so l33t. I wish I could be like you when I grow up...

[Edited on March 27, 2006 at 10:09 PM. Reason : fsck the man!!1]

3/27/2006 10:08:49 PM

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"5000ish"

When I served on E-Comm about three years ago, we had a higher turnout than last year.

3/27/2006 10:30:13 PM

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"I hate paper ballots and love anything that makes voting more convenient -- why turnout would drop as a result is just weird... "

My guess would be because it's easier to forget. Without something like what happened with TPC last year, people aren't going to remember to vote without it being hammered into their heads that they need to vote now. Especialy since campaigning seems to start early and go on forever. My guess (given that I never saw it) when they did paper elections they had something set up at talley or witherspoon or the brickyard where everyone passes at least once anyways with huge signs and posters.

Without such a visual and active reminder the only people that will vote are the one's who care and are paying attention IOW a small number of people.

3/28/2006 5:38:43 PM

I was with Stafford right up until the moment he said, "The student body has no authority."

Now he's on the "enemies of freedom" list.

3/28/2006 6:09:54 PM

^
but OMF he said he'd talk about a direct democracy! it would be the bestest thing, well, ev4r!!1

3/28/2006 6:28:32 PM

Stafford at the Carmichael Expansion Project today:
"I really am thankful for a place like this that I can come and relieve stress everyday. Without a place like this, I might do something crazy...like cancel the Student Body Elections"

3/28/2006 6:45:55 PM

^^^what was the context? was it that they had lost respect and thus had no authority? was it that they don't have the authority to break the rules they've set? was it that students don't deserve to represent themself?

^^you really hate that idea don't you?

3/28/2006 8:15:10 PM

^

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"Supplanter: ^^you really hate that idea don't you?"

I mostly just hate the fact you sound exactly like the SG shills you criticize, going from "fuck SG" to "vote Cody!" to "SG's great, as long as I get credit for the direct democracy idea!"

It's like taken straight out of a novel or something...

[Edited on March 28, 2006 at 11:15 PM. Reason : ]

3/28/2006 11:11:20 PM

The insults and hypercharacterization you've used so often in several threads of the everyone votes online idea I think has led you misunderstanding my position.

I've said senate needs to be removed... trying to think of ways to make that manageable isn't taking a different a position so much as trying to make making it manageable. Everyone voting online is one way to go about that.
I specifically said I think removing senate (although sometimes I have expressed broader contempt for SG) is a good idea, but as long as SG is around Cody will get my vote. I don't believe that is inconsistent.

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" you guys are so l33t. I wish I could be like you when I grow up... [Edited on March 27, 2006 at 10:09 PM. Reason : fsck the man!!1] - but OMF he said he'd talk about a direct democracy! it would be the bestest thing, well, ev4r!!1 - I mostly just hate the fact you sound exactly like the SG shills you criticize, going from "fuck SG" to "vote Cody!" to "SG's great, as long as I get credit for the direct democracy idea!" It's like taken straight out of a novel or something... - I really think you just have an English comprehension issue... - ^ did you maybe miss the sentence above that? or do you just have trouble with basic English? and who gives a shit about being "representative" if it does nothing? why try to bullshit students into believing they have power if they have none? sounds like you're looking to pad a resume yourself as the new People's Champion... - b/c TWW represents the student body goddammit! - the students would gain jack shit. if you want to dissolve Senate, fantastic. have at it. it's something i already proposed myself. but don't be so fucking stupid to delude yourself into thinking some "direct democracy" alternative would actually do anything. students have no tangible power. they never have, they never will -- "direct democracy" or not.."

Perhaps I should be clear. I’m not the first one to think of using the online voting system as a replacement for senate. I don’t think its will be the “it would be the bestest thing, well, ev4r!!1” but I think it would remove resume builders from the process and the chance for senate to reflect poorly on us. You admit senate is bad, but say that an “everyone votes online” system wouldn’t be as great as I’m saying it would be, when infact I’ve only made the relativistic claim that it would be better than senate, and no absolute claim of its greatness. I have no resume to build myself as “peoples champion” as I wont be at ncsu to experience how things turn out, and I’m not into politics in real life at all (unless you count setting up one fallen over Williams sign today). You’re Bush is going down stuff was alright, but when all you have is insults and satire, it stops being cute after a while.

3/28/2006 11:44:19 PM

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"Supplanter: You’re Bush is going down stuff was alright, but when all you have is insults and satire, it stops being cute after a while."

Almost sounds like you're offended for being called out...

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"Supplanter: You admit senate is bad, but say that an “everyone votes online” system wouldn’t be as great as I’m saying it would be, when infact I’ve only made the relativistic claim that it would be better than senate, and no absolute claim of its greatness."

The efforts to spin your way out of your own stupidity you've used so often in several threads of the everyone votes online idea I think has led you to a misunderstanding of my position.

I admit Senate is bad, but say that an "everyone votes online" system would be worse. Students have no power -- at least now, everyone can ridicule the Senate and it serves as an ever-present reminder that students have no power; your idea rests on the necessity of deluding students into thinking their opinions matter.

[Edited on March 29, 2006 at 11:17 AM. Reason : ---]

3/29/2006 11:16:49 AM

If its that way, then quick is Napoleon, and I am Snowball

3/29/2006 11:30:42 AM

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"I admit Senate is bad, but say that an "everyone votes online" system would be worse. Students have no power -- at least now, everyone can ridicule the Senate and it serves as an ever-present reminder that students have no power; your idea rests on the necessity of deluding students into thinking their opinions matter. "

It doesn't rest on students thinking anything about the level of power they have. It only rests on them realizing that voting online when there is a vote needed is better than having the senate. I've only claimed that voting online is better relative to having a senate.

I feel like you are saying "atleast with the senate, they can see how bad the senate is, but if there was no student government other than students just voting online, then how would they see how bad the student government is?"

"but OMF he said he'd talk about a direct democracy! it would be the bestest thing, well, ev4r!!1"

My position has never been this.

"Almost sounds like you're offended for being called out..."

I'm not offended that I've been called out on a hypercharacterization of my position, or offended that you that you have a different position than me, I'm offended that you can't seem to respond with out calling me an ignorant ass.

3/29/2006 11:32:17 AM

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"Supplanter: I'm offended that you can't seem to respond with out calling me an ignorant ass."

What was the comment from the other threads? "If it looks like a duck, walks like a duck, and says 'AFLAC' a lot..."?

I'm not trying to be a asshole, I'm just saying the whole argument is flawed from its most basic roots.

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"Supplanter: I feel like you are saying "atleast with the senate, they can see how bad the senate is, but if there was no student government other than students just voting online, then how would they see how bad the student government is?""

Who's doing "hypercharacterization" now? or have you just been taking debating lessons from Gamecat?

[Edited on March 29, 2006 at 12:08 PM. Reason : ---]

3/29/2006 12:04:53 PM

I can't afford the private lessons, so I just get the gamecat on tape. But I did specifically preference it with "I feel" to indicate it wasn't fully descriptive. I'll grant my position has been evolving over the last few days, but I don't think that means I'm spinning things. Check out what I said in the direct democracy thread and see if my latest recapturing of the ideas is to your liking.

3/29/2006 12:30:05 PM

4/12/2006 9:04:41 PM

always bad when you talk a lot of trash and it doesnt work!

4/12/2006 9:27:43 PM

im sorry i cant hear you over the sound of campus falling down.

go go tgd with the "no one cares about student government quote"

4/12/2006 10:02:46 PM

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"CPKontalonis: NO ONE GIVES A FUCK ABOUT STUDENT GOVERNMENT NOT ONE SINGLE PERSON"

4/12/2006 11:48:06 PM

So uhh, who won, Langley?

4/13/2006 1:38:37 AM

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"Who's doing "hypercharacterization" now? or have you just been taking debating lessons from Gamecat?"

Plz to cite.

Otherwise, STFU.

4/13/2006 2:14:18 AM

To Gamecat and TGD:

Why don't you two just go ahead and fuck?

We all know, OK?

p.s., you'll have the ugliest babies ever, but at least the sexual tension will have dissipated.

4/13/2006 3:14:25 AM

But it'd ruin TGD's political career!!!

Not to mention my engagement.

[Edited on April 13, 2006 at 4:26 AM. Reason : ]

4/13/2006 4:26:19 AM

let's not pretend you're not a master of "Accuse opponent of doing X, then do X yourself within the next 2-3 sentences"...but regardless, you're 2+ weeks late to the party -- the statute of limitations has long since expired on "OMF you have to cite plz or stfu!!1"

and I can't fuck Gamecat, too many fine women on this campus

4/13/2006 8:10:18 AM