haha ok

3/22/2006 5:45:18 PM

Quote :

"If some douche from new jersey comes down and says "Maybe you should aim for middling," a north carolinian is going to tell him to shove a stick up his ass all the way back to new jersey. This person simply doesn't care about college bball."

Quote :

"I'm not defending mediocrity here. I'm asking whether or not State fans have a lower threshold for calling a season mediocre than fans elsewhere in the ACC."

3/22/2006 6:58:57 PM

And yes, if K quit, they'd have to replace him. WTF kind of question was that?

3/22/2006 7:00:30 PM

Quote :

"here are people that have been in NCSU going on their Senior that haven't seen us beat UNC (or Duke) either football or basketball. "

no there isnt.

3/22/2006 7:41:33 PM

yeah we beat duke in '04

[Edited on March 22, 2006 at 7:42 PM. Reason : i guess they could be transfers.]

3/22/2006 7:42:42 PM

2003 North Carolina State (8-5, 4-4 ACC)

Aug. 30 North Carolina State 59, Western Carolina 20
Sept. 6 Wake Forest 38, North Carolina State 24
Sept. 13 Ohio State 44, North Carolina State 38
Sept. 20 North Carolina State 49, Texas Tech 21
Sept. 27 North Carolina State 47, North Carolina 34
Oct. 4 Georgia Tech 29, North Carolina State 21
Oct. 11 North Carolina State 31, Connecticut 24
Oct. 16 North Carolina State 17, Clemson 15
Oct. 25 North Carolina State 28, Duke 21
Nov. 1 North Carolina State 51, Virginia 37
Nov. 15 Florida State 50, North Carolina State 44
Nov. 22 Maryland 26, North Carolina State 24
Dec. 22 North Carolina State 56, Kansas 26

3/22/2006 7:45:30 PM

^i remember the good times

3/22/2006 7:47:49 PM

it's sad when 8-5 is "good times"

3/22/2006 7:49:47 PM

Quote :

"Nov. 22 Maryland 26, North Carolina State 24"

Fucking Kiker and TA.

3/22/2006 7:52:44 PM

Hahaha. My times at State made me hate Maryland almost as much as UNC (same goes with Wake). They ripped our fucking heart out like 2 or 3 years in a row. Fucking Terrapins.

3/22/2006 7:53:50 PM

^^Leroy Ambush.


What a name for a Linebacker... and it was well fitting that game.

(Although it was an illegal hit)

[Edited on March 22, 2006 at 7:59 PM. Reason : ]

3/22/2006 7:59:06 PM

2003 season was

We are going to follow up last year by kicking some serious ass, this year!!!

Aug. 30 North Carolina State 59, Western Carolina 20
Oh shit, western carolina dropped 20 on us.

Sept. 6 Wake Forest 38, North Carolina State 24
This season sucks

Sept. 13 Ohio State 44, North Carolina State 38
First Half: <benny hill music>
Second Half: WHY DID YOU PUNT YOU GREASY F..... OH HELL YEAH. I SUCK YO DICK, RIVERS
OT1-2: shit shit shit shit
OT3: that was some herb sendek shit

Sept. 20 North Carolina State 49, Texas Tech 21
BJ who?


etc

[Edited on March 22, 2006 at 8:00 PM. Reason : sdf]

3/22/2006 8:00:08 PM

^ I think next season is going to be just like 2003, without a good offense.


We lost our entire defensive line in 2003. We lost most of our starters, including all of our depth for next season.


Pass rush is going to suck... and we're gonna get run through like a drunk hooker

3/22/2006 8:02:31 PM

Haha that Md game fucked Rivers' day up. 0-4, he never beat the twerps. It wasn't funny at all then, but looking back now you gotta admit those Twerps did a good job of crashing our party.

3/22/2006 8:05:00 PM

nevermind, wrong year


[Edited on March 22, 2006 at 8:07 PM. Reason : ]

3/22/2006 8:06:15 PM

we did a good job at throwing trash at them, though


ps, remember when this thread was about herb sendek's stagnating basketball program

[Edited on March 22, 2006 at 8:07 PM. Reason : dsf]

3/22/2006 8:07:08 PM

I'll never forget that little punk-ass JoJo Walker dancing in the endzone with his middle finger raised at our band after that game

3/22/2006 8:11:30 PM

Quote :

"Look at the level of talent here now compared to five years ago."

Look at the basketball talent now compared to 5 years ago too.

5 years ago we just made our 1st NCAA tournament.

What I got out of this thread is that even though Herb has had more success than Chuck, it's ok because Chuck gets hype and intense.

Also I would like to note, in the 3 years before Chuck got here Mike O'Cain went 6-5, 7-5, and 6-6. Is that really any better than where we are now????

O'Cain recruited Torry Holt, Philip Rivers, etc. so he produced NFL talent too.

3/22/2006 8:35:35 PM

Quote :

"What I got out of this thread is that even though Herb has had more success than Chuck"

When you look at that in a relative sense, it's a wash.

NC State is a terrible football program. Going to a bowl game 4/5 years is awesome for this school.

As far as basketball, compared to recent history, going to 5 straight NCAA's is quite a feat as well.


I wouldn't be so quick to say Herb's had more success, though.

3/22/2006 10:46:12 PM

they've both had success in their own ways, but not enough success for some fans

3/23/2006 12:31:55 AM

here is why fb is different:

investment

if we still played in the old C-F stadium and made these bowls, id be happy. But look at what we have now. Look at the money sunk into the stadium, coaching staff, facilities, etc. This is a championship level investment. Now, as I'm sure many of you would agree, the return from your investment should at least equal what you put into it.

big investment=big results, no matter who you are. if you dont want to be expected to perform on a championship level, then dont have the highest paid staff and the best facilities. based on this idea, i want dividends soon. If Amato doesnt show improvement the next two years that shows he's on track to win a championship, why should he be retained? Shouldnt we get a coach who could help us get a better return on our investment? or do we just sit around with our thumbs up our asses and wait for the rest of college fb's programs to catch up facility and staff wise and then say "well, we're par for the course now".

at the least, if amato cant win the acc (or at least the division) or get to the bcs (or even back-to-back new years day bowls) and we want to keep him, he and the staff should take a paycut.

[Edited on March 23, 2006 at 12:43 AM. Reason : .]

3/23/2006 12:41:46 AM

^ generally i would agree with you that you should get back at least an equal amount of what you invested. the problem with this though is that while we have been putting all this money into C-F, nearly all of the other schools in the conference have too. if you start doing work on your car so that you can beat the guys that beat everyone else, what do you expect when the big boys and all the others that are just as fast as you begin modifying their cars too. i don't remember the number, but since, i believe 1999, nearly all of the ACC schools have put an astronomical amount of money into their football facilities. call it bad timing on our part. the upgrades to C-F were badly needed though.

[Edited on March 23, 2006 at 1:02 AM. Reason : ]

3/23/2006 1:00:11 AM

^^ Carter-Finley hadn't had a facelift since the 70's.


It was one of the worst stadiums in America. Need I remind you of the trailor in the sky?

Now, granted... we didn't have to build trump Towers... but we needed something.

I think Amato's doing a fine job. If we had a damn QB we would have been a really good team last year.

[Edited on March 23, 2006 at 7:21 AM. Reason : ]

3/23/2006 7:15:55 AM

To be fair, it isn't like we haven't invested in the basketball program. Regardless of whether we should have renovated Reynolds instead a la Allen Fieldhouse, basketball has a nice new arena. It would probably be a better layout (more like the Comcast Center) if not for the Hurricanes leeching onto it and having it built for hockey, but bball got first rate facilities, and now have a practice facility as well.

3/23/2006 7:23:28 AM

once again, state fans think they can buy success

3/23/2006 7:29:41 AM

Once again, ncWOLFsu makes a blanket claim about State fans that applies to every program offering athletic scholarships.

3/23/2006 7:33:26 AM

I have not read hardly any of this thread, but don't you think that whenever there is a lot of negative talk surrounding coaches (Ex. Herb and Chuck) that this hurts recruiting and the program. I mean what recruit would want to come here when they hear all this shit from fans and media saying that we want to get rid of our coach, and this is mostly directed towards the b-ball program. I think we are kinda shooting ourselves in the foot here complaining about how much we hate the way our programs our ran. Hell if I was a b-ball or football player I wouldn't come here, I mean why would I play for a coach if the school's fans don't even support them...

3/23/2006 8:19:15 AM

they might ran the other way cause of us people

3/23/2006 8:30:24 AM

interesting blog. not sure if it has been posted yet.

http://html.wral.com/sh/blogger/wralglenn.html

3/23/2006 8:46:22 AM

^ Wow. Nice link

3/23/2006 9:34:06 AM

Quote :

"I think Amato's doing a fine job. If we had a damn QB we would have been a really good team last year. "

Are your expectations for the football team lower than the ones for the basketball team?? I know mine aren't. And Amato is doing as good as, but probably worse job than Sendek right now. I still support him, but I don't think he's doing "a fine job".

Also..."If we had a damn _____ we would have been a really good team last year"....insert "PG" or "go-to SG" and you have an excuse for our basketball team too.

3/23/2006 9:35:26 AM

i think the fact that they are paid BCS cash to go to 750,000 dollar bowls is the most glaring example of bad return on investment.

3/23/2006 10:50:28 AM

Quote :

"I think Amato's doing a fine job. "

Someone tell me how you can think Amato is doing fine and you want Herb fired????

Like you said earlier they have had nearly the same amount of success.

3/23/2006 11:11:00 AM

-amato "intimidates"
-he gets fans excited w/ red shoes and his stupid sunglasses (see: the parade after the gator bowl when he played up the sunglasses and the crowd ate it up)
-he gave us that jumbotron
-you people need to be there for the walk of "champions"

3/23/2006 11:17:50 AM

If it comes down to preference, I'd take Herb and his record over chuck anyday. Herb is an intelligent man that runs a clean program that could possibly dominate another conference.

Amato is a god damn clown who recruits thugs and underachieves with em.

3/23/2006 11:18:59 AM

you people

3/23/2006 11:20:41 AM

Amato can keep his job by simply going to a bowl game every year, unless he starts losing the shitty ones.

Herb cant sneak into the NCAA's every year and keep his job. Its a double standard, but if we lose in football, its almost expected. People have been expecting the basketball program to get back to the top for YEARS, and since we're so close now, it kills everyone to know that we cant get over the hump.

3/23/2006 11:26:26 AM

Quote :

"-amato "intimidates" -he gets fans excited w/ red shoes and his stupid sunglasses (see: the parade after the gator bowl when he played up the sunglasses and the crowd ate it up) -he gave us that jumbotron -you people need to be there for the walk of "champions""

Holy crap you're dumber than I thought!

3/23/2006 1:30:44 PM

ive heard people say "amato makes me believe because he's so emotional, herb doesnt make me believe"

bunch of tards

3/23/2006 1:31:34 PM

Quote :

"amato makes me believe we can lose to Wake"

3/23/2006 1:34:01 PM

sarcasm dude ^^^

[Edited on March 23, 2006 at 1:34 PM. Reason : asdf]

3/23/2006 1:34:18 PM

Amato's job is a lot more unstable then Herb's.

You see, Herb never ever promises what he can't deliver. Ever. Call that boring, call that conservative, but he doesn't do it.

Amato promised the world and failed to deliver, even with PR. Whats more, he had a losing season and an underachieving season and two losses to a Carolina FB team that isn't, wasn't ever, and probably never be, very good.

Herb can keep going to the NCAA for the remaining decade and by virtue of luck would probably advance to at least one elite 8. Enough to keep his job.

3/23/2006 1:39:46 PM

Amato also recruits a lot of talent which goes to waste

he gets miami's and fsu's leftovers but has absolutely no way to control them and make them play smart

anyone who thinks herb should be fired can't possibly think amato is a better coach

3/23/2006 1:43:10 PM

if herb stays another decade i think we would make the final 4 at least once in that time period

3/23/2006 1:44:03 PM

Quote :

"Are your expectations for the football team lower than the ones for the basketball team?? I know mine aren't. And Amato is doing as good as, but probably worse job than Sendek right now. I still support him, but I don't think he's doing "a fine job". Also..."If we had a damn _____ we would have been a really good team last year"....insert "PG" or "go-to SG" and you have an excuse for our basketball team too."

-We're a basketball school. Should FSU have the same basketball and football expectations? No.
- Herb's been here 10 years. Chuck, 5. Football usually takes 3 times as long to build
- Chuck's proven he can build a great offense, defense, and special teams... it's a matter of putting them together.


Herb, on the other hand has the same flaws every year. Rebounding, ballhandling, athleticism, etc.

I'm not a huge huge Amato fan, but I think he's done a pretty good job here. Not that Herb hasnt, like I said... I just want a new offense and I think a lot of these problems would fix themselves in BBall.

I have more hope for the future with Amato, put it that way. I've lost hope in basketball unless something changes. Every year it becomes more evident that it's not personnel, it's the system

[Edited on March 23, 2006 at 1:56 PM. Reason : ]

3/23/2006 1:56:04 PM

so what was our problem the first 5 years of herb's tenure?

it's funny that you say our system has been our problem, when we've made the ncaa tournament every year since we switched to it, and that was the biggest change from year 5 to year 6 for herb.

3/23/2006 2:00:03 PM

I think we've made the NCAA's despite the system, not becuase of it.

We have the athleticism now so that we don't need it.... that may not have been so true back then.

I truly think the flaws in this offense are whats holding us back, not necessarily talent or even Herb. I don't think Herb's that great of a game coach, but when you couple that with no rebounding and taking way too many 3's, it hurts your abilities to be consistent.

Just my opinion

3/23/2006 2:08:41 PM

^^^the problem with that is a coach (in any sport) hardly ever really changes his base philosophy, and herbs offensive phil. is the spaced out, motion offense.

[Edited on March 23, 2006 at 2:11 PM. Reason : ^]

3/23/2006 2:11:03 PM

what I don't get is this:

NCSU has the better football team supposedly, right? they lose to carolina, who is considered a shitty football team, two years in a row and that's ok. but they lose to a UNC basketball team with arguably the most tradition of any team in the nation and arguably the best coach, and all of a sudden that's unacceptable? I don't get it.

and before you say "state was a better team than UNC this year" let me just tell you that you're wrong. that UNC team was MAJORLY underrated by just about everyone.

3/23/2006 2:18:16 PM

How can you be underrated when you lose your top 7 scorers and your leading returning scorer averaged 3 ppg?

Roy did a magnificent job at UNC this year. UNC should have been terrible

3/23/2006 2:36:32 PM