^So no more talk about "PC bullcrap"? You're backing off that now?

6/30/2006 11:49:43 PM

what are you talking about? good grief take my last post... then combine it with me saying that those who are concerned with the racial aspects of this discussion are involved in PC bullcrap... it's that simple, that's all i'm saying, there's no other words to confuse, please tell me you get it now

6/30/2006 11:52:25 PM

Actually, I'm still not sure what you mean. When you said "PC bullcrap," I assumed you were agreeing with Crazywade, this thread's creator, that her punishment was "light" simply because she was black, the judge was black, and the word "nigger" was involved. Is that not what you were saying? I apologize if I misunderstood.

[Edited on June 30, 2006 at 11:56 PM. Reason : sss]

6/30/2006 11:55:55 PM

ANY concern for race is PC BULLCRAP... that's all

6/30/2006 11:57:42 PM

^field day

6/30/2006 11:58:41 PM

for?

6/30/2006 11:58:57 PM

I think the black woman deserves prison time too, but I also think the other woman, if she called the black woman a nigger, deserved to be pushed (but not die, that's mildly unfortunate). A year in jail for her would be appropriate.

A 35,000 dollar fine, the experience of being faced with a murder charge, and 3 days in jail though probably scared the nigger in to not arguing with someone about a stupid spot in a stupid checkout line though.

7/1/2006 12:00:52 AM

^^Any concern for race is PC bullcrap?

So, by your logic, if blacks live in a state of de facto segregation and as a result, receive crappier educations, jobs, etc...nobody should be concerned about that?

[Edited on July 1, 2006 at 12:02 AM. Reason : sss]

7/1/2006 12:02:10 AM

oh holy crap bridget.... i'm talking about this situation... you're migrating to the sixties... just stay with us here in 2006 okay? i try not to be sarcastic on here, you know, to be different... but for cryin out loud you're makin a case out of everything and the things i said are so so so simple...


ANY consideration of race IN THIS SITUATION is PC BULLCRAP

do i need to make this any clearer at all???

7/1/2006 12:05:59 AM

^ It's ridiculous to say that racism shouldn't be considered at all, but it was, I think, over-considered in this case.

Using the term "politically correct" in any case is usually bull-crap in general, because it has such a subjective meaning to begin with, not to mention its often (but not always) used to hide someone's racist beliefs.

7/1/2006 12:09:53 AM

what does race matter here, moron? no pun intended

7/1/2006 12:11:32 AM

Quote :

"Fry: oh holy crap bridget.... i'm talking about this situation... you're migrating to the sixties... just stay with us here in 2006 okay? i try not to be sarcastic on here, you know, to be different... but for cryin out loud you're makin a case out of everything and the things i said are so so so simple... ANY consideration of race IN THIS SITUATION is PC BULLCRAP do i need to make this any clearer at all???"

Fry, I really thought that you meant what you said:

Quote :

"Fry: ANY concern for race is PC BULLCRAP... that's all"

You capitalized "any" and I thought you meant "any," and you gave me nothing else to go on in that post.

[Edited on July 1, 2006 at 12:18 AM. Reason : sss]

7/1/2006 12:14:36 AM

Quote :

"Muster up some guts and be concise, man...and, no, I don't think losing one's temper is excusable; sometimes it requires punishment, and the question here is whether Kimberly Arnold is being punished enough."

I think I was clear enough. You made it seem as if you believe losing one's temper is excusable. How much more explicit can I be?

And no, Kimberly Arnold is NOT being punished enough. She belongs in jail just like that stupid cop in Durham belongs in jail. She took a life.

7/1/2006 12:15:42 AM

ditto to finch


what i meant by "ANY" was... "any... in this situation..."

truce?

7/1/2006 12:17:44 AM

Definitely a truce, Fry.

7/1/2006 12:19:22 AM

haha good

7/1/2006 12:21:39 AM

Quote :

"what does race matter here, moron? no pun intended "

I don't know how things went down that day, but I'm guessing if the black woman wasn't called a nigger, she wouldn't have pushed the blind woman. Basically, if the blind woman wasn't a racist, she wouldn't have died that day.

It's hard to say without knowing the details of the case, but I'm inferring from the initial article that things went down like this...

Arguing about who was in line first-> white woman called black woman nigger -> black woman pushed white woman, resulting in hospitalization, and her death a week later.

7/1/2006 12:26:33 AM

Quote :

"FitchNCSU: I think I was clear enough. You made it seem as if you believe losing one's temper is excusable. How much more explicit can I be?"

You need to look up the definition of "concise." I wasn't criticizing your clarity; I was criticizing your inability to express a thought without adding words that don't apply...

Quote :

"FitchNCSU: You make it seem as if you are insinuating that losing one's temper is excusable."

And I'll sum up my posting in this thread again:

1. expressing sympathy for Arnold
2. defending that sympathy
3. explaining the difference between manslaughter and murder
4. sharing my opinion that I don't think her "light" punishment was racially motivated

Do you take fault with any of those things, or are you really just concerned with the way I "seem"?

[Edited on July 1, 2006 at 12:32 AM. Reason : sss]

7/1/2006 12:26:37 AM

all the black woman had to do was move on... she could have even said somethin to the other... she didn't have to push her, she took it to the next level and that's her fault

7/1/2006 12:34:35 AM

I don't disagree (and I never have).

I just don't think the racist comment should be ignored.

The white woman also could have moved on too, instead of calling her a nigger.

7/1/2006 12:36:30 AM

yes that's true
don't get me wrong, i'm not anywhere near saying that what the white woman did was "okay"
it shouldn't have come to that
my argument is simply that the black woman should do time for physical assaulting someone else, resulting in their death.. she wasn't attacked before, according to the information that i have seen, and therefore took the first physical action and thus should pay the consequence for doing so... and in my opinion that consequence should be prison time

7/1/2006 12:43:14 AM

what's prison time for her going to do?

just curious. do you think she will be "rehabilitated" from something.

is she going to learn MORE of a lesson? is she a danger to society and needs to be locked away to protect us all?

what is it? why is prison time so apt in this situation? why are probation and a fine not approriate?

someone explain it to me. or is it just a revenge/retribution sort of thing?

[Edited on July 1, 2006 at 1:31 AM. Reason : .]

7/1/2006 1:29:10 AM

BridgetSPK,

I wasn't born yesterday. Anyways- how was I not concise? I've been quite clear and to the point. I haven't written a novel here. Let me sum up my posting in this thread for you in three points. Just for you.

1. Kimberly Arnold murdered a woman... Okay... well... As you and some other posters on here pointed out, it could very well be classified as manslaughter. She was charged with Murder 2. Plead manslaughter. There is some grey area here. I realize that now. I gave up on arguing that.
2. I think its absurd to feel sympathy for people who can't control themselves... especially if they take a life. We disagree on that.
3. I think Kimberly Arnold belongs in jail. We disagree.

How's that?

[Edited on July 1, 2006 at 1:33 AM. Reason : :]

7/1/2006 1:29:41 AM

because someone who kills another person doesnt deserve to just walk free... a fine of 35k? what is that... a fee to kill someone? gah..

7/1/2006 1:32:19 AM

so.....you didnt address any of my questions

7/1/2006 1:33:20 AM

the sentence she received wasn't appropriate because she caused the woman's death... not just hurt her, not just put her in the hospital, but killed her... she needs to go to prison to show her just how stupid she was and to show other people that you don't get the 'slap on the wrist' that she did get for killing someone

7/1/2006 1:51:48 AM

so she should be sent to jail for payback and as a deterrent?

7/1/2006 2:03:38 AM

yes

7/1/2006 2:34:23 AM

Her charge was involuntary manslaughter. As you may know, there is a specific legal definition attached to that term.

Under the law, it is acknowledged that the woman isn't a murderer, she just happened to do something stupid that resulted in someone else's death, that wasn't foreseeable to reasonably result in a death.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Involuntary_manslaughter

7/1/2006 3:24:28 AM

Her Charge was second degree murder, the judge entered a plea for a MUCH lesser charge of involuntary manslaughter.

All of the following comes straight out of NC Crimes, which is the leading authority for NC Criminal Law:

In North Carolina, All 1st, 2nd, Manslaughter crimes have the same element of an unlawful killing of another. The difference in degrees is intent and method used.

Second degree murder does not require specific intent to kill someone, just substantial knowledge to cause an injury OR reckless disregard.

As for voluntary manslaughter, words are generally not enough to be considered "heat of passion". There are some exceptions, but I do not think racial slurs are included

Technically, Involuntary Manslaughter is inappropriate because the defendant committed felony assault and battery when she pushed a handicap woman. Involuntary Manslaughter is not available when the underlying cause of death is a felony.

Involuntary Manslaughter is also a Class F Felony. From what I have read in my boredom, the defendant is only to STRICT supervised probation and has to met one of four requirements (Special Probation, Residential Program, House Arrest, Intensive Probation, or day reporting Center).

7/3/2006 12:09:31 PM

Actually, Involuntary Manslaughter consists of conduct that could result in the unlawful killing of another. Most of the cases are foreseeable results of the conduct, but its not a stead fast rule.

Example from a case: A man installed driveway defrosters in a home negligently and almost killed his wife from carbon monoxide poisioning. Man sold the house and fails to mention the defrosters are broke. Family dies, man is guilty of involuntary manslaughter because he knew the possibility injury could occur, disregarded it.

It makes no sense to define it because the judge just gave this woman a gift with the reduced charge and the very reduced sentence. Fines and Community Service are at the discretion of the judge. Jail Time and Probation are guided by NC Sentence Guidelines, which were thrown out the door by granting regular supervised provision.

[Edited on July 3, 2006 at 1:43 PM. Reason : k]

7/3/2006 1:29:20 PM

ok, i just read the first half of Page 1.

summary: crazywade is a racist cracker.

do i need to know anything else about this thread?




[Edited on July 4, 2006 at 3:42 AM. Reason : ]

7/4/2006 3:41:22 AM

There's only 1 way to settle this.

We need a frail black lady to call a big, white skank a honky and then have the death-shove recreated.

Then we will watch the justice system work and see how it turns out.

But we'll need to do this at least 35 times to get a decent sample size, and also we'll need control groups with two black ladies, and two white ladies.

This is highly scientific research, so we should probably go ahead and get a government grant.

7/4/2006 7:49:06 AM

Quote :

"so she should be sent to jail for payback and as a deterrent?"

When you get down to it, that is what our prison system is all about.

7/4/2006 9:11:25 AM

I think this horse has been beaten enough. She deserved a more severe punishent.

7/4/2006 12:57:23 PM

I haven't read this whole thread but I was wondering

(1)how the white woman knew to call the black woman a nigger if she was blind.

(2) Why are you going around calling people niggers if you are an old blind person who obviously can't defend themselves?

Picture this: I am an old frail blind black man and I go a shopping center in Hoke County and start calling the people there lazy white trash. Is this the brightest idea?

[Edited on July 6, 2006 at 3:56 PM. Reason : Better Example]

7/6/2006 3:50:18 PM

clearly the old blind woman wasn't very intelligent... being a racist and then expressing such are good signs of that...
generally different races have dialects that are fairly obvious, i would imagine that a blind woman could pick up on these differences, especially if she had typically better hearing due to blindness... even over the phone i can usually tell the race of whoever is on the other end

7/6/2006 3:58:27 PM

Quote :

"why are probation and a fine not approriate? someone explain it to me. or is it just a revenge/retribution sort of thing?"

Actually, its an accountability sort of thing.

7/7/2006 1:15:37 PM

^^^ iirc she was only blind in one eye.

[Edited on July 7, 2006 at 3:25 PM. Reason : ^]

7/7/2006 3:24:51 PM

okay, well that answers how she knew the other woman was black... lol idc

7/7/2006 3:25:44 PM

Quote :

"Actually, its an accountability sort of thing."

actually, she was held accountable

7/8/2006 1:46:10 PM

You see, black people beat the shit out of each other on a regular basis with no ill-effects, much like ferrets playing. It's an understandible mistake to infer that a white person would respond similarly.

Stated in a somewhat different way, shut the fuck up faggots and go argue about politics.

7/8/2006 2:00:28 PM

sticks and stones can break my bones


BUT NAMES CAN NOT HURT ME

7/8/2006 8:17:31 PM

^I haven't responded to that in this thread before, but I suppose I will now.

Words do hurt people. Sometimes more than sticks and stones.

7/8/2006 11:42:50 PM

Black Woman: Hmmm.... I wonder if I should get the peanut m&m's or the plain
White Woman: (Is blind and pushing a cart that runs into black woman)
Black Woman: Hey grandma!! Watch where you're going!
Random White Guy: (yells) That nigger is yellin at that woman over there
White Woman: Oh my goodness, I ran into one of those niggers. You know nigger we used to fuck yall up for this kind of stuff back in my day.
Black Woman: What the fuck did you just call me!?! (pushes white woman)
(white woman falls down steps)
Black Woman: Get up you old bitch you ain't hurt.
(white woman doesn't get up)
Black Woman: I saaaaiiid get up. Oh shit she ain't gettin up!!! Ain't this a bitch, I just pushed an old lady down some steps. Damn I fucked up. I hope this bitch gets up. Aww hell I don't think she's going to get up. Should I run? I am the only black person here, nobody knows me. Fuck, I just watched an episode of CSI like this last week, I'm fucked.

7/9/2006 9:44:36 AM

never post again

7/9/2006 2:56:35 PM