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"terrorist, arab"

its all the same to a muslim-hater

7/17/2006 1:47:45 AM

seriuosly!! ...i mean....tough it out guys!!....i know 6,000,000 of you were killed in the past 4 years but ....ya know....that happens to everyone!!...get past it already...jeez

7/17/2006 1:48:10 AM

^ really though. hitler and naziism was gone for good. the west probobly just didn't want the jews to become commies[/agenda]

7/17/2006 1:51:35 AM

so what if it was gone??...a bunch of jews purchased the land and set up down there...it wasnt stolen...get past it

actually...i dont freakin care how you think it was stolen...israel is not going to just say..."oh your right...we stole this land...so you can have it back now"...thats not going to happen

the fact is they are sovereign nation now (regardless of how they came into existence) and they have a right to defend themselves



[Edited on July 17, 2006 at 2:00 AM. Reason : asdf]

7/17/2006 1:54:42 AM

where are you getting thsi purchased land shit from. Palestinians were driven out and never given money. purchasing some land and creating a Jewish state against the will of its occupants are two completely different ballgames. I dont know about this but If britain indeed did accept money for this land that makes it all the more wrong. Britain was BROKE at this time and desperate for cash so it does sound beleiveable.


how it was stolen?
1. jews wanted new home
2. jews saw land from the bibble
3. with big help from west jews create israel and force palestinians backward
4. droves of european jews move in
5. profit

[Edited on July 17, 2006 at 2:02 AM. Reason : european nation in asia. LMAO]

7/17/2006 2:00:01 AM

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"Britain was BROKE at this time and desperate for cash so it does sound beleiveable. "

thats not even relevant...

and again...we can argue all day about how israel came into existence and how they plays into the motivations of both sides...but its not relevant at all...

israel is a sovereign nation...they can defend themselves

7/17/2006 2:02:00 AM

We currently give a ridiculous amount of aid to Israel. I say we use that aid to relocate them to whatever country they want. Tired of their bullshit, tired of the shit they cause in the Middle East. It's just not worth the childish temper tantrum that comes out of extreme Islam.

7/17/2006 2:10:20 AM

I'm just waiting for Phil LOLlins to come back and explain why gas went up $0.20/g over the weekend.

7/17/2006 7:34:50 AM

how is it acceptable in 2006, for a group of people (ie:muslims) to hate another group of people (ie: jews) the way that muslims hate the jews

7/17/2006 7:42:49 AM

^ah...because the evil zionist jews stole thier land.....this justifies any arab actions....duh

7/17/2006 8:59:45 AM

They don't hate the jews, they hate Isreal.

There's a pretty marked difference.

7/17/2006 9:35:31 AM

^but the media will make it seem like they just hate jews, americans, and freedom. If you dont know the historical details you will beleive that is the reason for all of this. Im glad i was enlightened.

7/17/2006 9:45:28 AM

If this is your version of 'enlightened,' I'd really hate to have seen you when you were unenlightened.

7/17/2006 9:47:20 AM

If we want to talk about stolen land, Jerusalem was a Jewish city and Israel was a Jewish kingdom thousands of years before Christ or Muhammed were born.

P.S. Genesis 15:18-21

7/17/2006 9:50:58 AM

move this to the soap box, this started as a pretty decent lounge discussion, but has digressed

7/17/2006 10:07:04 AM

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"^^^ btw, no one is really innocent except children; alot of them are conniving devils too. "

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"^5 ok so only american and israeli adults can be innocent. i get it"

you've got to be trolling. no one in college can be this stupid.

7/17/2006 10:20:55 AM

So how much longer until we send in tons of troops to take over for Israel?

7/17/2006 10:21:49 AM

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"If we want to talk about stolen land, Jerusalem was a Jewish city and Israel was a Jewish kingdom thousands of years before Christ or Muhammed were born. P.S. Genesis 15:18-21"

yeah dude totally fuck those Arabs who were living there, it belongs to the Jews because of the Bible am i rite?

7/17/2006 10:27:27 AM

I think the UN should force the US to allow the Mormons to establish their own nation.

7/17/2006 10:38:37 AM

It's called Utah.

You know, funny enough, the Middle East reminds me of a UNC/Maryland game. I hate both teams, and it's tough to pick a favorite since they're both such fucking assholes. The whole game I just hope the ceiling caves in.

7/17/2006 10:43:16 AM

yep^ and the refs always end up helping unc win. unc gets all the money and revenue from sales. espn is married to unc and they have unfair recruiting advantages.

great analogy



and that thousand years thing is stupid. if thats the case then we could go back only half of that (500 years) and the entire globe could be redistrubited and all americans would have to just join other countries since we have no native land.

the palestinians occupied this land not even a lifetime ago (ie the people who had their land stolen are still alive (or would be if israel didn't kill them)

its nonsense when you think about it and the creation of isreal was 100% wrong and its OBVIOUS


THE ONLY REASON ISREAL WAS BOTH CREATED AND SUPPORTED WAS TO COMBAT SOVIET COMMUNISM. WITHOUT THE COLD WAR, ISRAEL WOULD HAVE NEVER SURVIVED[/DRIVE HOME]

7/17/2006 2:01:47 PM

You don't see red indians blowing planes.

you don't see East Indians blowing up Pakistan which didn't exist at all before 1940s.

accept it

Islamic extremism is a bane.

7/17/2006 2:03:51 PM

Yeah dude everybody understands that, but at this point we either need to move every last israeli from the region, or get the Arab countries around Israel to stop acting like children about this whole thing and clear the slate.

Those countries haven't considered how to best serve their interests, they have just been lashing out in anger.

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"yep^ and the refs always end up helping unc win. unc gets all the money and revenue from sales. espn is married to unc and they have unfair recruiting advantages. great analogy"

you could fuck up a soup sandwich

I was basically trying to draw an analogy to demonstrate how I feel.

7/17/2006 2:04:19 PM

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"You don't see red indians blowing planes."

actually there were cases of native americans burning villages, kidnapping people and doing "terrorist actions" during and at least as late as 50 years after their land was being stolen. you have to remember this was hundreds of years ago not 50 and all the direct victims are long gone.



[Edited on July 17, 2006 at 3:43 PM. Reason : PLANES DIDN'T EXIST BACK THEN, SILLY]

7/17/2006 3:42:24 PM

I think we need to annhiliate the present turrists in much the same way then.

7/17/2006 3:50:01 PM

I have a new idea for a reality show:

First, the producers of the show will take your house with military force. Next, 10,000 jews will move in to your kitchen and call it Zion. They will build a cement wall between the kitchen and living room and occasionally they will fly Apache helicopters into your bedroom and blow up your shit. Oh....and they will never, ever, ever leave. The show will last for 50 years. You aren't allowed to get mad about this because you have brown skin. If you do get mad and yell at the Jews, the UN will vote you off the show, and the US will bomb you deaf.

7/17/2006 3:55:29 PM

i ahve a better idea for a reality show

first, you rent out a room in a house for an agreed upon price. then the people's bratty little son starts coming in your room and kicking you and hitting you b/c it was his old playroom and he is upset about the new person in the house. so you buy locks for your door, but the son keeps getting in. finally, the son comes in and takes $300 and hides and wont give it back. so you start tearing apart the house to find the kid and tell the parents you wont stop until the parents make the kid give the money back and keep him from coming in your room.

7/17/2006 4:04:44 PM

lol, that's pretty good.

7/17/2006 4:21:39 PM

that would work if the kids' parents are wheelchair-bound due to injuries from the tenant.

7/17/2006 4:23:54 PM

injuries they picked up b/c the tenant smacked the son to try to make him behave and the parent didnt like it so they tried to come at the tenant who happens to be a steroid and martial arts aficianado

but i agree that hte parents cant really control the son at this point

7/17/2006 4:27:39 PM

aha, rwoody wins that round.

i want to point out the pretty much everyone that has posted in this thread is in agreement that the formation of israel was fucked up. therefore, i don't understand why there are two or three people still trying to convince us of that.

[Edited on July 17, 2006 at 5:14 PM. Reason : ]

7/17/2006 5:11:05 PM

seems to me that both sides agreed on the land dispersion, no?

7/17/2006 6:46:33 PM

no. it was forced on the arab majority who did not agree with it. then once established israel took even more land than it was given in the first place and brought in tons of european jews.

7/17/2006 6:48:27 PM

ok, but there was a civil war right? and then the sides stopped fighting in exchange for land to be split right? i'm really not trying to troll, im just kind of learning about this whole thing so tell me what i'm missing

[Edited on July 17, 2006 at 6:49 PM. Reason : dfs]

7/17/2006 6:49:30 PM

hey cxmai...

how about you get past how israel was formed...stop being a stupid liberal and try to come up with a solution or contribute to the discussion instead of just saying what should have or should have not been done in the past...if thats all you do you are just freakin worthless

[Edited on July 17, 2006 at 7:30 PM. Reason : asdf]

7/17/2006 7:30:15 PM

Hezbollah was formed to combat the Israeli incursion into Lebanon. Israel left Lebanon 6 years ago. Why the fuck are they still fighting? Why the fuck have they been allowed to remain armed and use southern Lebanon as a launching ground for rocket attacks into Israel? That shit has nothing to do with fighting for your land and everything to do with religious fanaticism and terrorism.

7/17/2006 7:41:00 PM

^^nice contribution, tool

[Edited on July 17, 2006 at 7:41 PM. Reason : .]

7/17/2006 7:41:36 PM

^^^ solution: give israel the same support and special treatment that we give the palestinians.

7/17/2006 7:54:02 PM

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"ok, but there was a civil war right? and then the sides stopped fighting in exchange for land to be split right? "

they never stopped fighting.

-britain and others split the land and created israel with 65% of the land. the good 65% i might add.
-the arabs never reckognized israels existing.(arabs represented the majority of the population and now had right to just 35% of the land).
-arab league of nations stepped in and declared war on israel.
-the west gave israel weapons to destroy the arab nations' military in fear of communism spreading to the arab nations.
-israel gobbled up even more land and took over jerusalem
-more and more jewish european settlers moved into the area.
-with no military several "terrorist" organizations formed.
-after fighting several wars only to lose to the newest american aircraft and tanks arab nations like iran and sryia gave in and sooner or later starting funding the "terrorist" groups because that is the only way to effectively fight israel
-with each war israel has expanded its borders and occupied lebanon at times

hezbollah was created during the occupation but they still have the common goal to remove israel. they are more than just fighters they are the #1 health education and welfare provider in southern lebanon. thats why they have legs in the government. they do good things as well as attack israel.

[Edited on July 17, 2006 at 7:57 PM. Reason : good 65% can you say mediteranean?]

7/17/2006 7:57:17 PM

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"they do good things as well as attack israel."

so you're saying that attacking israel is not good? finally, something rational from you

[Edited on July 17, 2006 at 8:10 PM. Reason : .]

7/17/2006 8:09:31 PM

no fighting of any kind is good. but its just for fighting if thats what you're leading to.

7/17/2006 8:16:18 PM

Israel isn't going anywhere. They are a sovereign nation that is recognized by every country in the world except for certain irrational Islamic theocracies. In fact, Hamas and Fatah just passed an accord advocating a 2-state system, implicitly accepting Israel's right to exist.

Israel does not attack it's neighbors unless provoked by bombings or other acts of aggression. They must respond with "disproportionate" force in order to deter future attacks.

It is time for Lebanon to take control of it's own country and forcibly disarm the militant terrorist organization Hezbollah. The same goes for the Palestinians and Hamas.

7/17/2006 8:17:29 PM

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"They must respond with "disproportionate" force in order to deter encourage future attacks."

[Edited on July 17, 2006 at 8:20 PM. Reason : e]

7/17/2006 8:20:06 PM

Oh. yeah? What about the hundreds of civilians held in Israeli jails who aren't charged with anything? What about the hundreds of homes being demolished?

Then, when some group fights back for the freedom of their people, suddenly its an act of terrorism?

7/17/2006 8:21:14 PM

^^You cannot be that naive. Israel left Gaza and it only encouraged more attacks from that region. Same with Lebanon. The only language that these terrorists understand is force. Moderation is a sign of weakness in the region.

^you mean like the hundreds of Israeli homes that were demolished in the Gaza pullouts? Or the israeli civilians who were jailed for protesting? Tough decisions must be made when a country is at war. Israel has a right to defend itself against it's hostile enemies, and if you think they are heavy-handed, that's probably because you don't live there.

[Edited on July 17, 2006 at 8:24 PM. Reason : 2]

7/17/2006 8:21:56 PM

israel has been looking for a reason to attack lebanon for a while. they finally got it.

7/17/2006 8:22:27 PM

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"You cannot be that naive."

Wanna bet?

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"The only language that these terrorists understand is force. Moderation is a sign of weakness in the region."

Force hasn't really worked over there either, chief.

7/17/2006 8:24:14 PM

Prawn Star, buddy........I just answered your question.

What about the hundreds of civilians held in Israeli jails who aren't charged with anything? What about the hundreds of homes being demolished?

Come on....no one gives a shit about them, and certainly the USA doesn't give a shit.....

They fight with what they have to free their people.

7/17/2006 8:24:21 PM

Well, unlike it's neighbors, Israel does not launch unprovoked attacks on it's neighbors. Hezbollah was looking for a fight and now it has one.

7/17/2006 8:25:02 PM

NO NO NO........dude, Hezbollah went in there to abduct the soldiers in a desperate attempt to exchange them with Lebanese prisoners in Israeli jails!

7/17/2006 8:26:22 PM