Aren't the majority actually scared and afraid to come out of their homes? It's the small minority that are the roving death squads.

1/17/2007 1:00:46 PM

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"it doesn't take a majority of a population to make a mess of a country"

just takes one guy. and his name is ______.

I'll give you a hint. his last name can have several meanings.

[Edited on January 17, 2007 at 1:02 PM. Reason : fda]

1/17/2007 1:02:30 PM

i can't tell if you're agreeing with me or being sarcastic

1/17/2007 1:03:00 PM

who me?

1/17/2007 1:03:15 PM

Twista, Golovko, are you college educated? Because you aren't really sustaining much of an argument here.

1/17/2007 1:04:06 PM

but saying that the country in chaos does not mean that most of the people are causing the chaos. a relatively small number of violent people can screw up an entire country.

1/17/2007 1:04:32 PM

lets face it. The majority of you fail to see that 'freedom' and 'democracy' isn't for everyone. Yes, freedom should be for everyone. But in some countries and cultures...too much freedom will destroy it.

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"Twista, Golovko, are you college educated? Because you aren't really sustaining much of an argument here."

listen here kid, you have yet to give any real input in this discussion besides some bickering over personal issues with myself and Twista. GTFO

[Edited on January 17, 2007 at 1:05 PM. Reason : fda]

1/17/2007 1:04:35 PM

TypeA why dont you request the TypeA account be suspended like your State409c account since you always freak out in a fit of rage and request to be suspended since you cant control yourself

1/17/2007 1:04:58 PM

Are you college educated? Because you don't seem to be. You haven't constructed a well formed post in at least the past 40,000 of them.

1/17/2007 1:06:00 PM

typeTroll

1/17/2007 1:06:37 PM

SOMEONE STOP ALL THESE NEOLIBERALS THAT ARE TRYING TO END THE WAR IN IRAQ!

1/17/2007 1:06:39 PM

uh...its too late for that. If you end the war in Iraq now it will be far worse. The damage is already done and the mistake has already been made. Now its time to pay the price.

I am in no means for stopping the war. I was against the War before it started but now that the government that was in place has been toppled. If the us pulls out now it will turn into another talaban and the wrong people will resume power. And then its back to the drawing board.

[Edited on January 17, 2007 at 1:08 PM. Reason : fda]

1/17/2007 1:07:24 PM

haha every now and then TypeA tries to make a well formulated post to insult someone else's intelligence...but then a couple posts later he's back to cuss word filled tirades and other "college educated" arguments

1/17/2007 1:09:25 PM

haha yeah i noticed that too.

1/17/2007 1:09:53 PM

in other news: violence in afghanistan is up something like 90 bizillion percent this year.

1/17/2007 1:11:54 PM

NEOLIBERALS PROTEST THE WAR!

MARGARET THATCHER BURNS FLAG IN PROTEST!

1/17/2007 1:13:24 PM

can someone write out a table of what each 'group' beleives in?

Democrats:
Republicans:
liberals:
neo-liberals (new term for me):

etc etc etc...maybe i should pick a side so when someone 'labels' me i can correct them

1/17/2007 1:15:03 PM

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"haha every now and then TypeA tries to make a well formulated post to insult someone else's intelligence...but then a couple posts later he's back to cuss word filled tirades and other "college educated" arguments "

Dude, you have yet, in 41,932 posts, respond with anything worth reading here other than some half baked shit you got off another web site.

1/17/2007 1:17:45 PM

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"but then a couple posts later he's back to cuss word filled tirades and other "college educated" arguments "

1/17/2007 1:18:58 PM

The well formed posts fly over your head, so why should anyone bother?

1/17/2007 1:20:02 PM

It would be one thing if it was someone intelligent that was calling me out

But its you

1/17/2007 1:24:13 PM

Dude, you know weed, the NBA, and hip hop. Thats it.

1/17/2007 1:25:07 PM

3 more things than you know

of course i dont know what that has to do with post-Saddam Iraq...

1/17/2007 1:25:56 PM

I hear they're gonna have a new NBA team in Baghdad. Bush is gonna own it when he leaves office.

1/17/2007 1:27:53 PM

How trite can you get? I'm interested to see.

Will you use the rubber and glue rhyme from grade school next?

1/17/2007 1:28:14 PM

no maybe i'll use the "post suspend _____" threads in multiple sections

no, i wont use that...that is grounds for immediate suspension

1/17/2007 1:28:48 PM

Just get the fuck out of TSB and save everyone the trouble. I think it's kinda funny that every time you fuck this section up, I have to resort to making feedback threads and the one I made in here, then you go on your little rant about how I'm the one that should be suspended and play this extremely naive "but, I'm just trying to post my opinion, I don't know why you get so angry, plz stop"

I've been on this board for longer than you, and assuming you are the same person behind that name, I know you aren't as fucking stupid as you come across, you're doing it on purpose. You know you aren't capable of being in threads here, but you come here an troll anyway. You're like every other lamer on this message board that never posts his pic, and just trolls trolls away (ala Bakunin, et al).

It's a damn shame duke doesn't pay more attention to the details in these threads or he would see your tripe bullshit fucking them up every time.

[Edited on January 17, 2007 at 1:33 PM. Reason : a]

1/17/2007 1:30:51 PM

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"but then a couple posts later he's back to cuss word filled tirades and other "college educated" arguments"

1/17/2007 1:32:10 PM

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/01/17/business/17leonhardt.html?_r=1&oref=slogin

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"For starters, $1.2 trillion would pay for an unprecedented public health campaign — a doubling of cancer research funding, treatment for every American whose diabetes or heart disease is now going unmanaged and a global immunization campaign to save millions of children’s lives. Combined, the cost of running those programs for a decade wouldn’t use up even half our money pot. So we could then turn to poverty and education, starting with universal preschool for every 3- and 4-year-old child across the country. The city of New Orleans could also receive a huge increase in reconstruction funds. The final big chunk of the money could go to national security. The recommendations of the 9/11 Commission that have not been put in place — better baggage and cargo screening, stronger measures against nuclear proliferation — could be enacted. Financing for the war in Afghanistan could be increased to beat back the Taliban’s recent gains, and a peacekeeping force could put a stop to the genocide in Darfur. All that would be one way to spend $1.2 trillion. Here would be another: The war in Iraq. "

1/17/2007 1:59:54 PM

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"Blasts in Baghdad kill 14 as violence surges At least 5 car bombs detonate, including 3 in a single vegetable market BAGHDAD, Iraq - At least 14 people were killed and 31 wounded in a series of car bombings in Baghdad on Thursday, the third day in a surge in insurgent violence in the Iraqi capital. Three car bombs detonated in quick succession in a vegetable market in the predominantly Sunni neighborhood of Dora in southern Baghdad. At least seven people died and 20 were wounded, a police officer said. Another bomb exploded in central Baghdad at rush hour, killing four people and wounding 11, two other police officers said. A separate car bomb in eastern Baghdad killed at least three, police sources told Reuters."

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/16683699/

1/18/2007 1:33:21 PM

jwb how come you never posted about any Iraq deaths before Saddam was taken out of power? You can't really accurately compare two sides of an issue if you only have a bunch of stories for one side

1/18/2007 1:37:57 PM

im just posting the latest news from iraq my man

1/18/2007 1:45:09 PM

^^ i think you can say that in general. everyone likes to ignore the fact that Saddam had torture and death squads equivalent to what Hitler had during WWII. how many people were killed in secret by Saddam and his sons? hundreds if not thousands because of people who had free thought and questioned Saddam and his government.

1/18/2007 2:00:31 PM

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"Saddam had torture and death squads equivalent to what Hitler had during WWII"

saddam torture rooms = holocaust. okay buddy. good luck with that one.

saddam was a bad guy. we've gone over this, okay? but nothing is better in iraq. in fact, things, quite possibly, are worse. that's what this thread is about. please don't ruin the thread with your silly fallacies

[Edited on January 18, 2007 at 2:06 PM. Reason : .]

1/18/2007 2:04:09 PM

the point he was making is nobody was posting news articles every day when he was in power...hence when you posted this recent story about deaths in iraq, it was evidence of a bad thing in the post-saddam era...i havent seen any stories posted about things that happened during saddam's time in power...which is why you cant compare Time A to Time B if the only information you present is Time B

1/18/2007 2:05:41 PM

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"im just posting the latest news from iraq my man"

dude up there is making the comparisons.

ridiculous ones, at that

[Edited on January 18, 2007 at 2:07 PM. Reason : /]

1/18/2007 2:06:41 PM

^^ exactly tree

[Edited on January 18, 2007 at 2:06 PM. Reason : ^]

1/18/2007 2:06:47 PM

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" Car bombings kill 75 in Baghdad • NEW: U.S. investigates Karbala attack; attackers posed as U.S. military officials • Death toll rises to 75 in twin car bombings in Iraqi capital; 160 wounded • Chopper crash, attacks make Saturday one of deadliest days for U.S. troops BAGHDAD, Iraq (CNN) -- At least 75 people were killed and 160 wounded Monday in a pair of nearly simultaneous car bombings in central Baghdad, an Iraqi Interior Ministry official said. "Body parts everywhere, many bodies charred; it was horrible," the official said. The midday bombings in al-Sharqi district targeted civilians in a second-hand market, the site of several earlier attacks. (Watch ambulances rush to help bombing victims Video) The explosions left vendors' DVDs and compact discs scattered on the street as black smoke rose into the sky, The Associated Press reported. Separately, mortar rounds fell on an elementary school in southern Baghdad's Abu Dhseir section, killing one woman and wounding eight children. "

http://www.cnn.com/2007/WORLD/meast/01/22/Iraq.main/index.html

1/22/2007 9:58:28 AM

I don't see how this got to 5 pages. It's clear Iraq is in much worse shape without Saddam.

1/22/2007 10:13:19 AM

This is no doubt biased, but it is a bit difficult to argue with facts

http://www.anti-state.com/blog/?p=19

Pretty sure Allawi knows more about the situation than our resident pot head.

http://observer.guardian.co.uk/international/story/0,6903,1651789,00.html

The UN also knows more than our resident pot head

http://newstandardnews.net/content/?items=1816


[Edited on January 22, 2007 at 10:39 AM. Reason : a]

1/22/2007 10:32:22 AM

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" don't see how this got to 5 pages. It's clear Iraq is in much worse shape without Saddam."

its clear you cant compare before and after without presenting 'before'

now why dont you go throw some chairs at windows since you cant control your immature anger

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"This is no doubt biased, but it is a bit difficult to argue with facts"

"Project for the New Anarchist Century"? "Guardian Unlimited"? "The New Standard"? Holy shit, did you intentionally use three sources that are 10x as far left as Fox News is right?

[Edited on January 22, 2007 at 11:42 AM. Reason : .]

1/22/2007 11:38:42 AM

You can't argue against facts.

Ok, so I have sources from the far left. Please find a far right source that debunks the apparent "myth" (created by the left) that the conditions in Iraq are worse now than before.

Since you seem to be blind, here are the numbers which don't have any bias

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"# Iraq, Saddam Hussein (1979-2003): 300 000 * Human Rights Watch: "twenty-five years of Ba`th Party rule ... murdered or 'disappeared' some quarter of a million Iraqis" [http://www.hrw.org/wr2k4/3.htm] * 8/9 Dec. 2003 AP: Total murders o New survey estimates 61,000 residents of Baghdad executed by Saddam. o US Government estimates a total of 300,000 murders + 180,000 Kurds k. in Anfal + 60,000 Shiites in 1991 + 50,000 misc. others executed o "Human rights officials" est.: 500,000 o Iraqi politicians: over a million * [These don't include the million or so dead in the Iran-Iraq War.]"

Is Aljazeera a United States liberal organization?

http://www.aljazeera.com/cgi-bin/review/article_full_story.asp?service_id=9804







[Edited on January 22, 2007 at 11:55 AM. Reason : aa]

1/22/2007 11:48:58 AM

Can you please answer me this very simple question first, TypeA?

How can you compare Iraq when Saddam was in power, to post-Saddam Iraq, if you don't present any pieces of information dealing with Iraq when Saddam was in power?

1/22/2007 11:51:01 AM

Even though we all agree there is no statute of limitations on murder, much less genocide, which we all know Saddam was guilty of, how far back are you willing to look to see what it was like "before" - when Saddam was in power?

Yes, he killed a lot of people in the early 80s, and we did nothing, except sell him more weapons. He killed a lot of people in the early 90s, after we encouraged them to stand up to him with the promise of our help, which never arrived then after which we did nothing.

As far as I've heard, since then he's "calmed down" a bit. Now again, that's no excuse for what he's done in the past, but it was apparent that he wasn't actively killing scores of citizens a day before the invasion. He might have ruled with an iron fist, but it was a fist that seemed to scare people enough so that they didn't fight and kill each other.
Things weren't peachy in Iraq 5 years ago, as Michael Moore would like to imply, but they certainly weren't as bad as they are now, where something like 500,000 citizens are leaving the country every year - the largest migration in the area since Israel was formed. The false sense of urgency Bush created for invasion, and an ill-conceived and poorly thought out plan have created more instability and danger than Saddam had in many years.

1/22/2007 11:55:30 AM

It isn't up to me to provide both sides of a debate. What is the point in that? I just asked you, go find sources of your own to argue the point, or get out of the section as you aren't doing anything here otherwise.

1/22/2007 11:57:31 AM

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"Yes, he killed a lot of people in the early 80s, and we did nothing, except sell him more weapons. He killed a lot of people in the early 90s, after we encouraged them to stand up to him with the promise of our help, which never arrived then after which we did nothing."

so we just condense Saddam killing tens of thousands of people into two sentences and move on?

^have you even read the first post of the thread and that article?

1/22/2007 12:09:58 PM

Sure I read it, and Iraq is still worse. You're going to have to do better than this. So far, the consensus is Iraq is worse. You're apparently the only one that thinks it isn't.

Also, I'll point out again what agentlion said, that gas attack on the Kurds you are apparently using as your only argument to it being worse then than now, came about because of the good ole US of A...not because Saddam just felt like randomly gassing some people.

1/22/2007 12:22:48 PM

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"So far, the consensus is Iraq is worse. You're apparently the only one that thinks it isn't. "

you claimed almost that same premise about another current event in a nearby thread and were severely mistaken

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"Also, I'll point out again what agentlion said, that gas attack on the Kurds you are apparently using as your only argument to it being worse then than now, came about because of the good ole US of A...not because Saddam just felt like randomly gassing some people."

The USA never told Saddam to gas his own people...I guess auto manufacturers are responsible for all the car crash deaths that happen involving their brand of vehicles?

The point is nobody seemed to be upset at all the tens and tens and tens of thousands of deaths in Iraq when Saddam was in power...but now people like to point out every death that happens...why didn't you give a fuck about Iraq when Saddam was in power? Why didn't you post news stories every day that showed how Saddam abused his people? About how he would have people executed for speaking out against him? Now all of a sudden some Iranian or Syrian insurgents kill some Iraqi citizens and you are hysterically upset? Yet you didn't give a shit when Saddam was killing his people...and you wonder why people are skeptical of your flavor-of-the-month bullshit?

1/22/2007 12:44:04 PM

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"why didn't you give a fuck about Iraq when Saddam was in power? "

You mean...you mean AT THE RIPE OLD AGE OF 8 I SHOULD HAVE HOPPED ON THE INTARWEB AND EXPRESSED MY RAGE THAT SADDAM HUSSEIN GASSED "HIS OWN PEOPLE"? AN INTARWEB THAT DIDNT EXIST YET?

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"Why didn't you post news stories every day that showed how Saddam abused his people?"

Because there weren't news stories every day, every week, or even monthly for that matter since the intarweb has been around you morAn. It was pointed out that he was quite tame in the years since sanctions started reigning him in.

I'll ask again.

Post some links backing up your theories.





[Edited on January 22, 2007 at 12:50 PM. Reason : a]

1/22/2007 12:48:09 PM

Saddam was removed from power 11 years ago?????

1/22/2007 12:49:39 PM