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"i would much rather have Stone running for yards and controlling the clock and turnover battle than Jay throwin a pick and having it ran back for a TD every time. I will stay with the offense like it is."

the only times i remember the other team's D scoring were Stone's pick for TD against Clemson and Stone's fumble for TD against Eastern Kentucky.

9/4/2006 12:58:21 PM

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"only a junior"

if you aint got it by now you aint gone get it.

9/4/2006 1:00:05 PM

First game of the season, against a team that regularly has beaten WFU. They would be better than 2 teams in our conference every year, in my opinion.

So, give these guys a break and let them grow as a team before you start calling the season a bust.

Stone will get more comfortable, and the offense will continue to gel.

We have a problem as a fanbase, and that is that we are always trying to crucify our players and coaches - EVEN after a damn win.

STFU and cheer for the players instead of trying to be professional sports analysts.

9/4/2006 1:14:11 PM

http://ncstate.rivals.com/showmsg.asp?fid=43&tid=78252942&sid=&style=2

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"I heard from ASU's radio broadcast, that the announcers during the first quarter said one of the ASU players told their on field announcer that this atmosphere was louder than when they played at LSU last year. Said he was shocked how loud it was. A nice start in the NEW Carter Finley!"

perhaps the bowling in of the NEZ has really had a bigger impact than we thought on trapping the noise in.

9/4/2006 1:14:21 PM

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"We have a problem as a fanbase, and that is that we are always trying to crucify our players and coaches - EVEN after a damn win."

yeah, we do

some people think it's ok to barely beat mediocre/decent teams

even if we have no passing game

9/4/2006 1:17:58 PM

the day I see marcus throw a touchdown pass of >20 yards(where he does the work, not a 5 yard pass where the receiver or TB breaks loose and does all the work) is the day I will stop hating on him.

9/4/2006 1:26:58 PM

well you weren't at the Wake game last year. as mentioned by wolfAApack, in that game Stone threw a pretty long TD to a State receiver (i want to say B. Clark) in the corner of the endzone.

9/4/2006 1:30:53 PM

the day I see marcus throw another touchdown pass of >20 yards(where he does the work, not a 5 yard pass where the receiver or TB breaks loose and does all the work) is the day I will stop hating on him.

[Edited on September 4, 2006 at 1:33 PM. Reason : when i see him ignore receivers who have their DB burned i cant help but think he's scared 2 go deep]

9/4/2006 1:32:08 PM

hehe

9/4/2006 1:34:16 PM

^^^correct, and that pass against BC that he threw over 50 yards to Brian Clark.


He threw two last season...that i can remember, and he also threw a couple of short ones that actually had to fly into the endzone...which is more than Davis can say.


And he hit TJ in the fucking chest on a play from about the 30...TJ was on the 1 yard line and dropped the fucking ball. IMO Stone is better in the redzone than anywhere else.

[Edited on September 4, 2006 at 1:54 PM. Reason : ]

9/4/2006 1:53:17 PM

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"and it was a curl route that the wide out never did his come back on. "

Stone stared down the route and it got jumped. That's not the receiver's fault unless you'd like him to start playing pass defense.

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"which is more than Davis can say."

This is also incorrect.

[Edited on September 4, 2006 at 1:54 PM. Reason : .]

9/4/2006 1:53:27 PM

give me an example



Only one I remember is his TD pass against UNC last year to TJ Williams in the back right of the endzone.


He also threw a couple to Dunlap against Clemson 2 years ago that didnt count. Can think of 2 more that I'd count towards his total...one was against Miami to Hall, Another was about a 20 yard play against Ohio State late in the game. 3 isnt very good for a season and a half as the starter.

[Edited on September 4, 2006 at 2:05 PM. Reason : ]

9/4/2006 1:54:47 PM

Jay almost single-handedly won the Wake game here 2 years ago in the 2nd half.

He also threw 2 great passes against GT last year that won us the game along with a timely INT by Heath.

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"What I don't understand is people are backing Marcus after this performance and yet people would bash Jay no matter what."

9/4/2006 2:21:13 PM

yep

the wake game two years ago was jay davis' best game

9/4/2006 2:21:59 PM

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"He also threw a couple to Dunlap against Clemson 2 years ago that didnt count. "

So you're stance is that Davis couldn't throw passes into the end zone because our coaching staff sucks and couldn't teach our players to keep seven guys on the line?

There were both deep flea flickers he threw, though only one went for a touchdown. In addition to a number of 15+ yard passes he would throw during games when they let him do more than just throw screens. Not to mention a year of his starting happened to coincide with a year of Mazzone, who is widely regarded as being the person responsible for the fact that our offense sucked that year.

So that'd be something like 5-6 in 17 games vs. 2 for Stone in 7 games as a starter. You might want to check a calculator real quick.

9/4/2006 2:22:58 PM

basically, Jay got screwed over and Stone got the opportunity of a lifetime

jay's performance was overshadowed by penalties and an uncertain offensive direction on the coaching end of things

by the time the coaches figured out the direction the offense should be in, the fans were calling for Jay's head because he was the "leader"

so with the new plan for offense in place, chuck decided to appease the fans since they were already booing him on national tv during the clemson game

he made stone the new "leader" and thus he gets credit for winning 6 of 7 games even though it was everyone around him that helped change the direction of the team

9/4/2006 2:28:56 PM

jay had like a 70+ yarder to clark against georgia tech i think it was. it was about a 20 yard throw that clark caught in stride and took to the house.

^dude who the fuck cares. jay was graduating anyway and we won the games. are you really complaining about how we won them?

would you rather have stone even more shitty now by having 6 games less starting experience just so jay could have the glory of leading the turnaround?

i wouldn't.

now we just have to figure out a way to get rid of stone and get burke out there. i'd rather see burke come out and play well outside of freshman mistakes than see the shit stone does.

[Edited on September 4, 2006 at 2:32 PM. Reason : ]

9/4/2006 2:29:55 PM

Yeah, that was a perfect pass. Right over the middle, hit Clark in stride, and he turned upfield to cut the seam directly between the safeties. They never got close to him.

9/4/2006 2:30:42 PM

was that the one where we got a penalty for diving into the endzone?

and Davis could execute well on crossing routes, but the coaches only called for like 1 per game

a big reason we throw side passes or none at all is because those are the plays the coaches are calling

[Edited on September 4, 2006 at 2:33 PM. Reason : asdf]

9/4/2006 2:30:51 PM

Believe so, yeah.

9/4/2006 2:31:19 PM

^^Brian Clark

9/4/2006 2:42:20 PM

The 80 yard touchdown pass to BC against GT was all BC....back to the point that Davis didnt have the arm to play QB. What you're saying now is taht it took trickery for davis to throw a pass over 20 yards. So no, he did not throw 5-6 over 20 yards for 17 games. More like 3-4 tops.

9/4/2006 2:46:34 PM

didn't have the arm?

he was overthrowin receivers like crazy

[Edited on September 4, 2006 at 2:47 PM. Reason : or was it underthrowing?]

9/4/2006 2:47:37 PM

Trickery or not I mentioned 2 games that Jay almost won by himself and Stone has 0 games we can say we won.

Quote :

"jay's performance was overshadowed by penalties and an uncertain offensive direction on the coaching end of things"

9/4/2006 2:48:32 PM

^^underthrowing. He overthrew short routes when he got hammered....thats understandable.


^our D won the GT game, Davis threw one great pass to Brian, and got lucky on that trick play early in the game. Great call, but lucky.


I'll give you the wake game, of course Hicks scored on that play over the middle where he made up 35 yards by himself plus a few great blocks.

[Edited on September 4, 2006 at 2:53 PM. Reason : ]

9/4/2006 2:51:48 PM

Yeah, if you had to attribute the GT win to one player, it was Hudson. Period.

9/4/2006 2:56:11 PM

^Hudson or Heath???

9/4/2006 2:57:50 PM

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"What you're saying now is taht it took trickery for davis to throw a pass over 20 yards."

Yeah, he spent those extra 3-4 seconds winding his arm up so he could unleash a monster pass!

You're dense. Our offensive line sucked, so the extra two yards of space he had away from the defense let him throw the ball long since Clark had time to make it down the field. You can only throw the ball so deep when your QB is getting killed before your receivers can make it more than 5 yards out.

9/4/2006 2:58:58 PM

Davis had the best protection I've seen in a while from this team during the VT game and most of his yards were YAC. Yes, he did haveto wind up to throw that pass, kinda like the pass he had to wind up to throw 5 miles in the air against UNC last year that came down with no time left. He had no arm, stfu.

9/4/2006 3:06:35 PM

I thought Davis played really well minus two mistakes against VT last year.

I thought he might be in for a decent season, but then he went back to his old ways...


Stone was worthless last year. He benefitted from a soft schedule, a manchild HB, and our defense turning up the heat about 12 notches.

We still have the manchild HB, but the defense isnt going to be able to carry us.

With an average QB we'd be a solid, but unspectacular football team. With Stone at the helm, there's no hope.

9/4/2006 3:10:44 PM

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"now we just have to figure out a way to get rid of stone and get burke out there. i'd rather see burke come out and play well outside of freshman mistakes than see the shit stone does."

see, that just doesn't make sense. you only get a player for 4 years. what good is it going to do if you only let a player play for a year and then hand off the keys to a younger, more inexperienced player when you've still got the upperclassman on your team? it's extremely rare that a player starts at qb for 4 years. and when that happens, either the player is extremely gifted, or, that team is not a contender and can afford the ups and downs of having a freshman come in and play (and more likely than not, it'll be the latter situation). i love philip rivers, but he would not have come in and start at qb for a top caliber team. but if you seriously think that throwing the more experienced players under the bus so that you can get some reps in for the next "star," then you need to re-think your position. justin burke is not going to play this year. and he shouldn't. instead, he should spend the year getting some size on him and learning the offense. he should also spend next season getting mop-up reps only, and learning to get comfortable in a collegiate level game. we are not going to win the ACC this year, and will be lucky to get a bowl game. burning burkes redshirt would be a terrible choice for our program, since this season isn't going to be a championship year, why waste a year of burkes eligibility?

[Edited on September 4, 2006 at 3:30 PM. Reason : ]

9/4/2006 3:14:14 PM

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"you only get a player for 4 years. what good is it going to do if you only let a player play for a year and then hand off the keys to a younger, more inexperienced player when you've still got the upperclassman on your team? "

Well you see, the upperclassman isn't good at all.

9/4/2006 3:57:08 PM

^which is the exact same argument everyone used last year to get jay davis off the field so that stone could get some reps. so why through in burke if he's not ready? why waste a year of his eligibility, when he can come in two seasons from now, knowledgable of the offense, more capable of reading defenses than he is now, and physically capable of taking college hits?

9/4/2006 4:23:15 PM

^i understand you not wanting to burn his redshirt, but are you saying that only mopping up his second year will get him more experience than starting? it sounds like you are.

9/4/2006 4:24:43 PM

no, what i'm saying is that it doesn't make sense to lose 12 games of burke starting his red-shirt senior season just so he can salvage a season that isn't worth much. i'm not writing off this year, i just think that stone will be good enough to get to a bowl, even if it's an early december bowl. putting in burke now would most likely yield the same results for this season, and he could just as well get us to an early december bowl. so why waste what would be his red-shirt senior year so that we can be just as well off as we are now?

[Edited on September 4, 2006 at 4:31 PM. Reason : ]

9/4/2006 4:31:08 PM

I don't think that Stone is good enough to get us to a bowl game. I don't think he's good enough to play QB for a Div-1A team, let alone a competitive ACC team.

I don't know if Burke is the answer either, but what the fuck are you talking about his redshirt senior season for? What about all the redshirt seniors on this current team? What about all the recievers who are doing jumping jacks down the field while Stone is scrambling away from imaginary pass-rushers?

If he is a better QB than Stone RIGHT NOW, then get him in there. Same goes for Daniel Evans. If not, then this team is in very bad shape, because Stone is HORRIBLE.

[Edited on September 4, 2006 at 4:40 PM. Reason : 2]

9/4/2006 4:39:42 PM

have you looked at our schedule? stone can get us into a bowl game. and our red-shirt seniors deserve a bowl game. they deserve a quarterback that knows the system (and whether you want to admit it or not, stone probably knows the system the best). what they don't deserve is our team calling this year a wash and putting in a true freshman so that he can get "experience." he's a freshman, let him get his experience sunday-friday. but not on saturday. that's not fair to burke, and that definately isn't fair to all the seniors now knowing that this year is just "practice" for next season.

9/4/2006 4:43:32 PM

no i understand that you don't want to burn his redshirt, but you're saying you don't want him to play NEXT season either, except in "mop up" situations. i DESPERATELY want either burke or beck to play next season.

9/4/2006 4:52:27 PM

beck may very well play next season. and if stone plays next season, you can rest assured that it's because he won the job. that gives burke another season to develop. you want your more experienced players in, in my opinion, because they're on field intelligence makes up for any talent a younger player may exhibit.

basically what it comes down to is that i think burke would be better off coming in to the game as a red-shirt junior with another year of playing eligibility, because a 22 year old natural qb is going to be better than a 21 year old natural qb. now, if burke turns out to be a stud and wins the job next year, then i'm all for him taking over the starting role. but i'm against putting him in now because our fanbase is impatient and wants something drastic to shake the program.

[Edited on September 4, 2006 at 4:59 PM. Reason : ]

9/4/2006 4:55:44 PM

http://media.scout.com/media/video/35/352523.wmv

Video of Brown's 43 yard run.

9/4/2006 6:27:55 PM

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"We have a problem as a fanbase, and that is that we are always trying to crucify our players and coaches - EVEN after a damn win"

this is so true.

to me it all comes down to unrealistic expectations...nothing is ever good enough.

9/4/2006 6:39:48 PM

I really want to reserve my comments about puting in Burke or Evans until after the SMU game. If we're 1-2 going into BC then I think we might have to make a big change. I hate the argument that stone is the best because he's 6-1, but until we start losing there's nothing we can complain about. I think its just the fear of another disasterous start like last season thats gotten people up in arms.


^I agree, but imo, NC State fans would be better off living outside of raleigh, and outside of North Carolina. The media here is brutal, and we have to be perfect to not get bashed by our own fucking news paper. Its hard to ask your fans to keep quiet when they have to hear constantly about how bad their team is (even when they might not be that bad)...and when we've had so many years in basketball and football with nothing to show in the trophy case.

[Edited on September 4, 2006 at 6:44 PM. Reason : ]

9/4/2006 6:41:38 PM

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"but until we start losing there's nothing we can complain about."

yeah huh

9/4/2006 6:42:56 PM

^that's ridiculous.

so you're saying, if he plays like shit, but keeps winning games, you'll still be calling for his head? that's plain stupid.

9/4/2006 6:45:08 PM

he won't be the reason we win games

and that's what i'll keep saying when other people keep mentioning that he's X-1 as a starter

i don't give credit where it's not due

9/4/2006 7:02:56 PM

yeah i mean i don't care if stone is shitty if we win all our games. i just know that it's going to be the reason we lose some of our games in the future.

9/4/2006 7:03:01 PM

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"to me it all comes down to unrealistic expectations"

ARE YOU SHITTING ME

WHAT THE FUCK IS UNREALISTIC ABOUT EXPECTING A QUARTERBACK OF A DIVISION IA SCHOOL TO BE ABLE TO THROW FOR MORE THAN 36 YARDS AGAINST A DIVISION IAA PROGRAM

WHAT IS UNREALISTIC

NOT TO MENTION, WHO WAS THE ONE WHO GAVE US THESE UNREALISTIC EXPECTATIONS IN THE FIRST PLACE?

OH YEAH, HE HAPPENS TO COACH THE TEAM

[Edited on September 4, 2006 at 7:15 PM. Reason : God, he's even fucking worse]

9/4/2006 7:09:02 PM

Ill take credit for misreporting that Stone threw for 44 yards initially.

I was given some bad information.

He actually only threw for 36 yards.

9/4/2006 7:11:09 PM

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"He actually only threw for 36 yards."

Oh man, he's fucking amazing!

9/4/2006 7:13:21 PM

^^^wow, just wow.

you and others seem to think we have badass quarterbacks waiting in the wings...stone starts for a reason, he's the best we got.

until that changes, or he starts losing...what the fuck are YOU gonna do about it. oh yeah, that's right, bitch about it on the internet.

9/4/2006 7:18:22 PM