lol why ? the firm is in charge. fowler is probably just telling them what the firm said. if the talk of it being a done deal ~the Carolina game. they've had a little bit to look around


they did make a point to remind everyone that chower's wife is in fact living in Raleigh now.

11/27/2006 4:37:40 PM

http://www.redandwhitefromstate.com/article.php?story=20061127111030372


great coach info...

11/27/2006 5:11:17 PM

yea they yanked half of it from my post from page 3

11/27/2006 5:13:04 PM

^^^ Although wrong spelling, oddly appropriate "chower"...

11/27/2006 5:15:46 PM

Quote :

"One other area of concern is that Chow supposedly does not like to recruit, but then again, he did work quite hard to get Tim Tebow to come Southern Cal as opposed the Gators. "

uhhhhhhh..........what?

11/27/2006 5:17:39 PM

^ They didn't say it worked

11/27/2006 5:25:19 PM

they're gonna talk about Cowher on PTI soon.

11/27/2006 5:31:28 PM

hmmm, Cutcliffe is a Bama alumni...now that the coaching job there is open...

11/27/2006 5:42:20 PM

I would personally be pretty reluctant to go with Paul Johnson as a high choice. After Cowher, Fisher would be a much better candidate IMO. I know PJ is at Navy, but Navy has beaten very few winning teams since he has been there. The impressive (for Navy) Win-Loss records are as much a function of scheduling as coaching. In recent years Navy has clearly chosen the path of playing weaker schedules to get bowl eligible.

How his schemes and coaching will work against an ACC schedule is unclear at best. He certainly merits consideration, and I will support him if he is fired, but I would be quite hesitant to move him to the top of the "after Cowher" list.


Somewhat unrelated, I have seen Mike Sherman's name floated as well.

11/27/2006 5:48:35 PM

Nobody has explained why this Jimbo Fisher guy is supposed to be so great. I just have a feeling he'd be another Amato. Does he have a reputation as a disciplinarian? If not, we shouldnt even give him the time of day.

11/27/2006 7:15:25 PM

does anyone think we will pull our first choice? i imagine that after the basketball fiasco, we wont show our cards as early as we did before. i guess when we start hearing stuff from the credible sources, deals will be close to final.

11/27/2006 7:30:45 PM

re: jimbo fisher

Quote :

"Jimbo Fisher, OC, LSU Risk:Low Reward:High My Opinion: Offensive mind, great recruiter, put lots of talent in the NFL. I remember his name being tossed around for the OC job at NC State when Amato hired that chump Trestman. *The more I read about him the more I like. Here is his LSU bio. Fisher enters his seventh season as LSU’s offensive coordinator in 2006 and during his previous six years with the Tigers, he has established himself as one of the nation’s top offensive minds, while also serving as one of the school’s top recruiters. Fisher joined the Tigers in 2000 and during that six-year span, Fisher has been a part of 59 victories, two Southeastern Conference titles and the 2003 BCS National Championship. The 59 victories since the 2000 season are the most in LSU history over any six-year period of the program, while the Tigers’ streak of six consecutive bowl games is a school record. Since 2000, Fisher’s offense’s have set numerous school records, including points in a season (475 in 2003), total yards (5,857 in 2003), and passing touchdowns (30 in 2003). Fisher’s offenses currently hold 13 LSU school records. Here is an interesting read regarding Jimbo Fisher staying at LSU after Nick Saban took the Dolphins job. Nick Saban's offensive coordinator, Jimbo Fisher, will remain at LSU with the same title under new head coach Les Miles, after flirtations with Saban's Miami staff and with NC State. Tiger fans are split on whether this is good news or not. Yes, he was OC during Saban's best years, but the LSU offense in 2004 was exceptionally boring and predictable, and quite often impotent. Some fans argue that this was because of the lack of experience at QB, others say Saban handcuffed Fisher and wouldn't let him open up the offense. My guess is that it was a combination of both Rumors on the LSU fan sites is that Jimbo is a strong candidate for the soon to be open Cincy job."

11/27/2006 10:50:17 PM

Quote :

"The impressive (for Navy) Win-Loss records are as much a function of scheduling as coaching. In recent years Navy has clearly chosen the path of playing weaker schedules to get bowl eligible."

Don't forget Navy has won two straight bowl games and their players are far less athletic than most D-1 teams...also this year their starting QB got hurt during the rutgers game which hurt them a lot and their second string QB is weak at passing so it was hard to exploit notre dame's weak secondary...the main thing I like about Paul Johnson is that he gets the most of out his talent whereas it seems we get the least out of ours...and just for the record Navy beat ECU this year, i know they arent great but we couldnt beat them

11/27/2006 11:32:32 PM

they got lucky to beat them actually, it was ECU players fault that was a loss

Quote :

"does anyone think we will pull our first choice? i imagine that after the basketball fiasco, we wont show our cards as early as we did before. i guess when we start hearing stuff from the credible sources, deals will be close to final"

we will never know who was #1, #2 or whatever on the list...thats what this firm does and how it approaches things which is good and I like it that way doesnt make NC State look retarded.

11/27/2006 11:54:14 PM

well, apparently Bama is NOT interested in Cutcliffe, they want a bigger name, like Saban... and the talk about Cutcliffe and State was on the radio again today... I think he would be GREAT, but would need a DC

11/27/2006 11:56:34 PM

^Saban isnt going anywhere

11/27/2006 11:59:08 PM

I dont think so either, but thats the type of names they are looking for

11/27/2006 11:59:55 PM

I bet you bitches are irked that they are making a big deal about the Bama position but havent mentioned State

11/28/2006 12:48:14 AM

not really.. The Bama job puts just about any college football job search in the backseat..

If we dont get Cowher then any other coach we want just got tougher to get because of the Bama opening..

11/28/2006 12:50:18 AM

well, look at that, someone else who can be objective on TWW... its refreshing

11/28/2006 12:51:10 AM

^^^ nah, i don't care. i'm not about to compare us to bama.

[Edited on November 28, 2006 at 12:52 AM. Reason : ^^^]

11/28/2006 12:52:29 AM

^^

well I would hope that even the most delusional NC State fan would understand that we can't compete with Alabama in football.. At least with their history.

11/28/2006 1:03:27 AM

Butch Davis' contract


http://www.newsobserver.com/content/sports/story_graphics/20061127_davisContract.pdf

11/28/2006 1:34:52 AM

Quote :

"The Bama job puts just about any college football job search in the backseat.. "

you don't think Miami is going for a big name too?


^damn, he gets $25,000 a year for entertainment expenses

[Edited on November 28, 2006 at 8:21 AM. Reason : ]

11/28/2006 8:15:30 AM

I wonder how Paul Johnson is on discipline. He doesnt really have to worry about it at the Naval Academy.

11/28/2006 8:27:14 AM

Bama > Miami

Bama also has a shit ton more money then Miami.

850the Buzz is reporting cowher to say no to NC State today although im not sure where they are getting their info b/c they are notorious for just regurgitating what the Paper says

11/28/2006 9:26:50 AM

I think Bama has nicer facilities and better tradition, but I'd almost say Miami is a better job. Maybe not as 'historic', but better.


Bama gives you about 3 years to win a national championship... plus Miami is sitting on the largest hotbed of talent in the country.


I'd probably take Bama if I had the choice, but for a career-oriented person may not think the same way

11/28/2006 9:43:00 AM

^^^i think it's something to do with steroids

[Edited on November 28, 2006 at 9:44 AM. Reason : ^]

11/28/2006 9:43:58 AM

the more i read about paul johnson the less i want him, and the more it looks like we're going to get him =/ and statefans reporting that donnan actually wants the job?? i think we'd be better off w/ him, honestly.

11/28/2006 10:50:31 AM

interesting post on PP from a former GSU player

Quote :

"First off I am a former player for Coach Johnson. Lately I have been keeping track off what has been going on for obvious reasons. I played and won a lot of games when I was at Georgia Southern. What we did in the five years was remarkable and it was an unbelievable experience. I know that GSU is 1-AA but we were the big fish of that level. I know that NCST is different and I am not trying to compare the two schools. What I would like to try and clear up is the perception that has been thrown around about him from a lot of people who don’t know. He has gotten support form one side and slammed from the other. The pro are equal to the cons on this board (or so it seems). What you people on both sides of the argument do not understand is that Paul Johnson is a Head Coach who happens to be a great offensive mind. The two go both hand in hand. You people do not understand how much of a leader he is. He is not a player’s coach he is a Head Coach. He is not a politician he is a Head Coach. He will say what needs to be said when it needs to be said. Like it or not. You will know where he and you stand on all issues whether you are a fan, booster, or player. That is not to say he is gruff or an overly ego driven it says he knows what he is and what his job is and what pays the bills. He will speak at functions and coach the crap out of you. You will love him and hate him for the same thing. But the very bottom line is W’s and L’s. And let me make this clear we lost 10 games in 5 years. I have 2 Nat Champ rings and 5 Conf rings. We won a ton of games in part because Paul Johnson was not confused with what he is. The second thing is his offense. I know that people have been hammering him because of what he runs on offense. Fans and critics might complain and give you reasons why they don’t like it. You will never ever hear a player complain. Because WE KNEW. And when Saturday rolled around WE KNEW. We knew what kind of a play caller he is and that we win or loose we were going to be in the game no matter what. There were a couple of games here and there (10 to be exact) but it was us not him that didn’t execute. His offense is not like Wake, WV, UF, or TT. It is the Spread Option. And we scored points like you wouldn’t believe. We set records that will not be touched for a long time. In 1999 we scored 747 points in the season (avg. 49.8 per game). You don’t score that many point’s by just running the ball. The offense evolves based on the QB each year. It will lean one way or the other based on the strengths of that player. When he gets a guy who can do both he will be a 1000 yds rushing 1500 yds passing type of QB. You can say it was 1-AA but we were the FSU of 1-AA. And there is a track record for you guys to look up if you want. If Paul Johnson got a chance to do what he does at a NCST you guys would be shocked. Don’t look at what he is doing offensively at Navy right now. I don’t think there is a player on that team especially at the skill positions that could have played at GSU. And I know for a fact that not one of the Navy players would play at NCST. So give the man some run for what he is doing. He is a HEAD COACH. He would make you proud. The former players at GSU want to see him succeed because it will elevate GSU because of the prestige of NCST. In five years we were 62-10. That record is in the books. You can be afraid of something that you truly don’t know or you can go and look at the record. "

11/28/2006 10:53:07 AM

that post just blew me away, for serious. hmm.

11/28/2006 11:00:39 AM

PackPride's newest premium article was letting me view it moments ago even though I am not premie, so if anyone is interested you could give that a try. It is basically a long run down of possibilities, nothing too special, worth the read though.

11/28/2006 11:27:25 AM

wow that post!

11/28/2006 11:30:55 AM

that post definetely makes me second guess my opinion of PJ

11/28/2006 11:31:46 AM

I haven't read all of this, but is Donnan still in the hunt?

Quote :

"Jim Donnan was a college football coach and is now an on-air television analyst for college football games. A Burlington, North Carolina native and graduate of North Carolina State University, Donnan was head football coach at Marshall University, where he led the Thundering Herd to a 64-21 record from 1990 to 1995, including five consecutive 11-plus win seasons and the 1992 NCAA Division I-AA national football championship. He was named the Division I-AA Coach of the Year twice. Donnan was then the head football coach at the University of Georgia from 1996 to 2000. He compiled a 40-19 record during his tenure. He was the first football coach in school history to lead Bulldog teams to four consecutive Bowl victories. Under Donnan, the Bulldogs won the Outback Bowl in 1997, the Peach Bowl in 1998, the Outback Bowl in 1999, and the Oahu Bowl in 2000. However, Donnan was fired by University President Michael F. Adams (against the wishes of athletic director Vince Dooley) in 2000 after the Bulldogs struggled to two consecutive 8-win seasons. "

11/28/2006 11:46:54 AM

Quote :

"57516 11:07 AM Dispute Carter Finley Stadium A non student was terminated from his job. He was angry and refused to leave the area. He was Trespassed from all NCSU property.""

aha. Chuck sure did get upset.

11/28/2006 12:06:44 PM

here is an interesting convo I had with a very smart wolfpack writer regarding Jim Donnan

10:51:48 AM) Evan: oh i meant to ask you about this, what did Donnan do that makes the old wolfpackers not like him
(10:53:02 AM) scott: I had heard that he wanted the job when C'O'Cain got it and when they moved so quickly and he didn't get a sniff, he was muy pissed ... then he felt like Marshall got hosed when they played down here and was very bitter about it and made some very public comments denigrating NC State
(10:53:16 AM) scott: you hear rumors about other things he said/did in a public manner, but I wonder how accurate those are
(10:53:45 AM) Evan: yea, b/c from his radio show which i listen ot on the weekends he says nothing but good stuff
(10:53:49 AM) Evan: about state
(10:54:07 AM) scott: I wonder how much of it is urban legend, to be honest
(10:54:27 AM) Evan: he's been out of the game for a while but i think he'd get us 8 wins every year
(10:55:06 AM) scott: I agree ... I think he would be a very nice fit
(10:55:26 AM) scott: I was always confused by all the perceptions around here about him
(10:55:35 AM) Evan: me2
(10:55:50 AM) Evan: i mean he was fired at UGA for winning 8 games every year
(10:55:54 AM) Evan: id take that in a heart beat
(10:57:11 AM) Evan: people on state fans said he turned down our job when o'cain got it
(10:57:38 AM) scott: I don't think that's true ... I'm pretty sure Dick Sheridan was adamant that C'O'Cain be the guy to maintain continuity

[Edited on November 28, 2006 at 12:11 PM. Reason : ..]

11/28/2006 12:10:19 PM

http://www.espnradio1250.com

cowher press conference on now

[Edited on November 28, 2006 at 12:26 PM. Reason : his weekly PC, not a special one...]

[Edited on November 28, 2006 at 12:29 PM. Reason : over]

11/28/2006 12:26:30 PM

no PC for me, just has some radio show.

11/28/2006 12:29:53 PM

I dont think he said anything about NCSU

11/28/2006 12:30:27 PM

i tried to connect but it was fritzing out

11/28/2006 12:31:07 PM

cowher said nothing about ncsu

11/28/2006 12:31:27 PM

I work at a Law Firm full of UNC alums and they are stoked about the new staff. Butch Davis seems to have made more ties while out of coaching and now they have John Blake coming in, the recruiting guru from Nebraska. I think if we want a big name, we have to go out and take it. We have to be competitive.

11/28/2006 1:24:15 PM

http://news.steelers.com/article/59572/

11/28/2006 1:41:31 PM

Donnan is horrible, could never win any game that mattered

11/28/2006 3:06:27 PM

^ Agreed Donnan could never beat UT or Florida while at Georgia. He always beat the Vandys, Ole Miss, Kentuckys, GTs every year, but he could never get over the hump against the big boys. I'd rather not have him as coach although I'm sure he could make us into a consistent bowl team, but never a championship team.

11/28/2006 3:16:25 PM

exactly

11/28/2006 3:16:49 PM

^^opposite of Amato

11/28/2006 3:17:46 PM

^ Let's have rotating coaches.


Amato for all of the games vs. ranked teams.


We'd be the best team ever. Seriously

11/28/2006 3:19:43 PM

dammit... i saw that PackBacker was the last poster in this thread and i got a little excited because you usually have informative posts (maybe you heard something new)

you let me down

11/28/2006 3:21:23 PM