he seems sincere. that's all i can go on really.

3/12/2007 1:04:34 PM

"he seems sincere"

ok i mean if thats all youre going on then i guess its a good enough reason for you

do you think bin ladin is capable of change? if he apologized for 9/11 and you thought he was sincere, would you respect him for changing?

just seems like a fundamentally dumb premise to me

[Edited on March 12, 2007 at 1:05 PM. Reason : .]

3/12/2007 1:05:32 PM

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"so...what makes you believe byrd's apology?"

i guess the same question can be directed towards you.

what makes you not believe byrd's apology?

3/12/2007 1:05:41 PM

so i ask you why you forgive a former KKK member who did god only knows what while he was a member of such a hateful group

and your retort is "well why shouldnt i believe him"

i dunno i guess he maybe a racist and a bigot, but he's probably honest!

3/12/2007 1:06:53 PM

i didn't say i would vote for him or even like him.

i respect the fact that he apologized.

[Edited on March 12, 2007 at 1:08 PM. Reason : .]

3/12/2007 1:08:14 PM

before you respected him for changing

now you just respect him for apologizing

3/12/2007 1:09:06 PM

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"i dunno i guess he maybe a racist and a bigot, but he's probably honest!"

are those mutually exclusive? is it not possible to be an honest racist?

3/12/2007 1:09:08 PM

i would probably resort to trolling also if i had somehow gotten myself into a jam where i found myself arguing for the respect of a former KKK member

3/12/2007 1:10:09 PM

im asking an honest question.

3/12/2007 1:10:50 PM

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"before you respected him for changing now you just respect him for apologizing "

sorry i didn't check the exact words.

i respect him for changing.

and he most certainly changed (even if he wasn't genuine in his apology).

even if he was still the most bigotted person in the world, at least he's not spewing that crap out to the masses anymroe.

3/12/2007 1:11:48 PM

^^theres nothing in there that even implies any type of mutual exclusiveness so you should learn how to read

oh yeah and learn how to respect former KKK members...cause I mean a verbal apology certainly makes up for any violent acts he did while in the Klan

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"i respect him for changing"

you're pretty gullible if you think he's changed

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"and he most certainly changed (even if he wasn't genuine in his apology). even if he was still the most bigotted person in the world, at least he's not spewing that crap out to the masses anymroe. "

david duke isnt in the klan anymore either...so i guess he changed the exact same amount?

[Edited on March 12, 2007 at 1:14 PM. Reason : .]

3/12/2007 1:13:01 PM

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"oh yeah and learn how to respect former KKK members...cause I mean a verbal apology certainly makes up for any violent acts he did while in the Klan"

way to put words in everyone's mouths.

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"you're pretty gullible if you think he's changed"

did you even read my post?

[Edited on March 12, 2007 at 1:14 PM. Reason : .]

3/12/2007 1:13:46 PM

way to continuously defend a former KKK member

did you even read my edit?

[Edited on March 12, 2007 at 1:14 PM. Reason : .]

3/12/2007 1:14:25 PM

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"david duke isnt in the klan anymore either...so i guess he changed the exact same amount?"

no, he still spews that crap. he's still a vocal white separatist.

3/12/2007 1:15:44 PM

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"david duke isnt in the klan anymore either...so i guess he changed the exact same amount? "

as its already been pointed out, Duke still pushes the "white nationalist" movement.

even if byrd's apology was not sincere, he no longer pushes for white supremacy.

3/12/2007 1:16:07 PM

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"as its already been pointed out, Duke still pushes the "white nationalist" movement"

you mentioning a blurb you read in a wiki article that i posted != "as its already been pointed out"

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" no, he still spews that crap. he's still a vocal white separatist. "

really? where do you see anything about that?

[Edited on March 12, 2007 at 1:18 PM. Reason : .]

3/12/2007 1:17:18 PM

both sarijoul and myself have said it several times already.

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"really? where do you see anything about that?"

read the wiki article that you linked

[Edited on March 12, 2007 at 1:19 PM. Reason : d]

3/12/2007 1:17:54 PM

go to his official website.

3/12/2007 1:19:05 PM

you dont have to convince me that David Duke is a racist...you know how? not because of his website...because he used to be in the KKK, by his own choice...just like Byrd...however you choose to defend one of these guys and "respect his apology"...I just look at them both as pieces of shit

3/12/2007 1:21:26 PM

good for you.

3/12/2007 1:22:24 PM

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"really? where do you see anything about that? "

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"you dont have to convince me that David Duke is a racist"

then why did you ask?

3/12/2007 1:22:38 PM

the better question, is why DO i have to convince you that Byrd is a racist?

3/12/2007 1:36:52 PM

i dont know, why do you?

[Edited on March 12, 2007 at 1:53 PM. Reason : d]

3/12/2007 1:45:58 PM

i like how you edited your whole post and settled on that

3/12/2007 2:02:24 PM

well, i was answering the question "what do i have to do to convince you?"

then i realized that wasnt what you asked.

3/12/2007 2:04:14 PM

^^ Those defending Byrd here "respect" him for "changing" to become a liberal Democrat. From what I can gather from their posts, if a former KKK member "changes" to adopt any political ideology other than liberal Democrat, he or she can fuck off. Is that about right?

3/12/2007 7:49:45 PM

who else has changed that would make your post at all relevant?

3/12/2007 9:31:50 PM

i know this thread is about Edwards, but I'd like to give belated props to John Kerry for forcing Major League Baseball to offer their package on cable tv and not just satellite

I don't even get the package myself, but I do subscribe to cable (as opposed to satellite) and think its a good thing because its another option for me

And I could care less if its an abuse of power because it affects me personally, so good job Botox face

4/18/2007 5:03:54 PM

http://newsblogs.chicagotribune.com/news_theswamp/2007/04/john_edwardss_4.html

4/18/2007 5:17:28 PM

$250, $300, $400 for a haircut?

sounds like he'd fit right in in Washington..."$300 for a hammer, $10 a piece for nails" etc

4/18/2007 5:42:34 PM

who the fuck cares?

4/18/2007 5:53:47 PM

the general public?

4/18/2007 5:54:49 PM

i would love to meet the person who votes based upon a haircut.

4/18/2007 5:58:40 PM

i'm not saying that specifically...but considering the scrutiny of candidates based on the huge span of the media, its reasonable to think some voters would assume if he spends that much on a haircut, he probably wouldnt hesitate to spend big bucks in washington

4/18/2007 6:05:42 PM

^^

or maybe the person who votes based on...

The candidate who makes his entire platform on the "Two Americas" is clearly a part of the "America" that he is trying to bash. Edwards says he is a normal guy, father was a mill worker, and will fight for the little guy.

Bottom line is he is a bloodsucking trial lawyer who couldn't care less about the average person. He would rather spend 400 dollars to get his pretty hair cut as opposed to spending 100 dollars on a still insanely expensive haircut and do something productive with the other 300.

4/18/2007 8:46:42 PM

$400 for a hair cut, but he wears plaid shirts and jeans, he is a common man. what a fucking douchebag

4/18/2007 9:06:12 PM

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"Bottom line is he is a bloodsucking trial lawyer "

you wouldnt vote for him no matter what positions he took and what he did, so why the fuck does your opinion about his haircut matter?

4/18/2007 9:08:46 PM

^why does your opinion on ^^^his opinion on his haircut matter

4/18/2007 10:12:34 PM

4/18/2007 10:12:51 PM

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"Bottom line is he is a bloodsucking trial lawyer who couldn't care less about the average person. He would rather spend 400 dollars to get his pretty hair cut as opposed to spending 100 dollars on a still insanely expensive haircut and do something productive with the other 300."

4/18/2007 10:14:42 PM

That’s an insane amount to spend on a haircut. But other candidates I’m sure are spending a lot too on haircuts or makeup. Or flights or advertising. And lets not pretend like there’s 0% chance looks affect votes. Expensive haircuts are silly in the ideal world, but that’s not the voter pool.

Besides he’s done poverty center work and other stuff that shows he cares atleast a little. You can always chalk up anything a politician does ever to political motives, but then its kind of a moot point to hate on haircuts specifically if all things politicians do is bad. (although i have noticed that hating on politics is a popular political move).

4/18/2007 10:24:31 PM

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"And lets not pretend like there’s 0% chance looks affect votes"

I think thats basically been the case since the first TV debate between Nixon and JFK when JFK was clean cut and well rested and Nixon had stubble and just didnt look as presentable

4/18/2007 10:28:24 PM

I hope this time the voters will be more considerate of what the persons policies are.

4/18/2007 10:29:44 PM

dont count on it

4/18/2007 10:33:34 PM

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"sorry i didn't check the exact words. i respect him for changing. and he most certainly changed (even if he wasn't genuine in his apology). even if he was still the most bigotted person in the world, at least he's not spewing that crap out to the masses anymroe."

sarijoul

Oh, really? Former KKK member Robert Byrd from 2001:

http://youtube.com/watch?v=H7FcrUu-_Vg

And John Edwards primping:

http://youtube.com/results?search_query=john+edwards+primping&search=Search

4/19/2007 12:01:12 AM

hazaa54's comment ftw (on the youtube page for the 2nd clip)

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"I hope he goes bald during the elections. "

4/19/2007 12:08:59 AM

better chance his wife will

4/19/2007 12:22:02 AM

zing!

4/19/2007 12:24:02 AM

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"Bottom line is he is a bloodsucking trial lawyer"

4/19/2007 11:29:24 AM

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"WASHINGTON (AP) -- Democrat John Edwards is trying to get out of a hairy situation, reimbursing his presidential campaign $800 for two visits with a Beverly Hills stylist. Two $400 cuts by stylist Joseph Torrenueva, who told The Associated Press that the former North Carolina senator is a longtime client, showed up on Edwards' campaign spending reports filed this weekend. Edwards spokesman Eric Schultz said it never should have been there. "The bill was sent to the campaign. It was inadvertently paid," Schultz said. "John Edwards will be reimbursing the campaign." Edwards is also the subject of a popular YouTube spoof poking fun at his youthful good looks. The video shows the candidate combing his tresses to the dubbed-in tune of "I Feel Pretty." Federal Election Commission records show Edwards' campaign also spent $250 in services from Designworks Salon in Dubuque, Iowa, and $225 in services from the Pink Sapphire in Manchester, New Hampshire. Schultz said those services were legitimate campaign expenditures to prepare Edwards for media appearances. Political candidates often have hair and makeup done before media appearances. Edwards rival Hillary Rodham Clinton got some attention last year when her campaign paid $2,500 for two hairstyling sessions that the campaign classified as media production expenses."

^^^^^ He's not the only one. Not the most expensive. Appearances get votes. And its ultimately coming out of his own pocket so I don’t think it’s a big deal.

4/22/2007 11:19:28 AM