well you're still wrong. Assuming the taller buildigns aren't skinnier, which they might be. two 60story buildings is 120. two 30 story buildings is 60 and 3 20 story buildings is also 60. I'm pretty sure that two at least of those 20 story buildings are wider than the 60 story buildings in Charlotte so that alone is more than those two buildings. sure charlottes downtown demolishes raleigh but thats because its a centralized city while raleigh has rtp, north hills, crabtree, and highwoods to go along with downtown and they are all still growing (except highwoods) and right now you have the 35 story at crabtree. 3 20+ stories at norht hills. rbc, and all the condos going up downtown so raleigh is narrowing that gap

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""aren't THAT much bigger ""

that bigger meaning bigger enough to beat the entire population of downtown raleigh. its ok to say they are much bigger but when you exagerate and make insane claims like that THEN ACTUALLY TRY TO BACK THEM UP you only make a complete fool of yourself

[Edited on August 3, 2007 at 2:38 PM. Reason : and treetwista]

8/3/2007 2:35:45 PM

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"sure charlottes downtown demolishes raleigh "

That's all i wanted to hear. Dude i love Raleigh, i go to school there. I'm not trying to put down Raleigh, i was simply saying that Charlotte's downtown is much much larger and more populous than Raleigh's downtown area.

In regard to the square footage i'll find out pretty soon. I'm pretty sure that the Bank of America building, the wachovia buildings, and the Hearst tower ALL are wider at the bottom than ANY of Raleigh's 3 tallest downtown buildings. I've heard this before from my GF's dad who either was the head architect or helped out on lots of buildings in uptown Charlotte. He did the panthers stadium too. One thing about Charlotte is that the city blocks are larger, so in turn many of the buildings were built wider, taller, and just bigger in general to Raleigh's. There's some of the blueprints at my gf's house, but next time i'm in David's office i'll check them out for ya.

[Edited on August 3, 2007 at 2:51 PM. Reason : .]

8/3/2007 2:50:33 PM

also charlotte is on the solid bedrock of the foothills while raleigh is on soft clay.

8/3/2007 2:53:54 PM

Boston, MA is built on a swamp and its got some impressive skyscrapers, big churches, and cool buildings.

[Edited on August 3, 2007 at 3:01 PM. Reason : .]

8/3/2007 2:59:27 PM

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""on an average weekday the Bank of America building has a higher population density than downtown Raleigh""

well durrr

the same can be said about almost any tall building about pretty much every city.

rtp is the largest research park in the world. That has a huge strain on downtown. similar but inferior parks are in richmond, huntsville alabama and silicon valley

compare raleigh and its skyline to san jose and huntsville and it blows them away

8/3/2007 4:09:49 PM

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"rtp is the largest research park in the world."

is that based on size or density

8/3/2007 4:12:03 PM

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"Boston, MA is built on a swamp and its got some impressive skyscrapers, big churches, and cool buildings."

So is manhattan...too bad soil doesn't have anything to do with substratum

8/3/2007 4:19:00 PM

yes i realize the substratum is below the topsoil, i was just making a comparison because you originally said that to try to prove why Raleigh's buildings weren't as big. Or atleast that's what i thought. What were your intentions when you said Raleigh was built on soft clay?

8/3/2007 4:21:08 PM

Raleigh is not on bedrock. It is much more expensive to build taller buildings in Raleigh than it is in Charlotte, Manhattan or pretty much any other city with lots of tall buildings hense the tall buildings.

8/3/2007 4:38:43 PM

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"It is much more expensive to build taller buildings in Raleigh than it is in Charlotte"

huh?

8/3/2007 4:41:22 PM

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"is that based on size or density "

neither, its based on friggin clout and not some bs loophole like Chartown

[Edited on August 3, 2007 at 4:50 PM. Reason : can we use the f word in lounge?]

8/3/2007 4:50:00 PM

what is chartown? are you talking about the largest city in the carolinas?

8/3/2007 4:50:33 PM

^^^depending on the soil profile. the price of building skyscrapers varies. Its probably most expensive out west because of the earthquake precautions but other than that bedrock is the cheapest. manhattan is on solid bedrock thats why they built so many scrapers so early. Charlottes is much harder than raleigh's

8/6/2007 10:30:52 AM

This thread makes me laugh.

Everyone I know that has lived as an adult in both cities agree that Charlotte is a bigger city and a better city. And I know quite a few people who have lived in both now, including myself.

Visit Raleigh and drive around, then visit Charlotte and drive around. Big difference IMO.

Besides, neither are a very large city anyways. So it's like we're comparing a 5 inch cock to a 6 inch cock.

8/6/2007 11:40:00 AM

NEW YORK IS THE ONLY REAL CITY IN THE COUNTRY!!111

8/6/2007 11:55:23 AM

how many pro championships does charlotte have?

8/13/2007 4:47:28 PM

^you've been trying to think of that for a week, haven't you? i'm a raleigh guy, but even i think thats a lame argument...especially when charlotte has pro teams in 2 sports that people actually care about (cue the nobody cares about the nba crowd).

8/13/2007 5:32:55 PM

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"Visit Raleigh and drive around, then visit Charlotte and drive around. Big difference IMO."

yeah a lot more fucking traffic sitting then raleigh

8/13/2007 6:28:21 PM

if i wanted to look at run down strip malls and vacant industrial yards then I would drive around Charlotte.

8/14/2007 8:42:40 AM

ive lived for extended periods of time in both. i liked raleigh a little better but:

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"sure charlottes downtown demolishes raleigh but thats because its a centralized city while raleigh has rtp, north hills, crabtree, and highwoods to go along with downtown and they are all still growing (except highwoods) and right now you have the 35 story at crabtree. 3 20+ stories at norht hills. rbc, and all the condos going up downtown so raleigh is narrowing that gap "

charlotte does have the entire university city area, north lake, south park area, stonecrest to in a way mirror the areas you listed

8/14/2007 8:57:13 AM

^^you've never been there have you...cause your descriptions are horribly innaccurate

8/14/2007 11:08:09 AM

If anyone thinks that Raleigh is catching up in terms of buildings downtown, you're a fool.

Charlotte is currently constructing more skyscrapers and buildings uptown than are currently in downtown Raleigh probably.

8/14/2007 11:44:38 AM

anybody who has ever driven on 277 would glance at the city and be like "ok maybe its a little bigger than i thought"

8/14/2007 12:01:43 PM

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"^^you've never been there have you...cause your descriptions are horribly innaccurate"

i do not think you have ventured out of the myers park/ballyntyne/south park area.

cotswald, eastway, sedgefeld are not what i call luxurious places

8/14/2007 9:00:23 PM

i went to sedgefield middle school fyi

the comment was directed at dentaldamn's "if i wanted to see run down strip malls" comment

any city has good and bad areas, bigger cities more of each than smaller...but like i said anybody who thinks raleigh is bigger...drive a mile down 277 and glance at center city and you'll be like "i guess raleigh isnt bigger"

btw cotswold isnt that bad lol there are a lot worse neighborhoods

[Edited on August 15, 2007 at 12:49 AM. Reason : .]

8/15/2007 12:49:27 AM

raleigh has a crazy small poorportion of shity areas. shutup about the charlotte skyline already. nobody cares about the skylline that doesn't make a good city. paris has no skyline.


and raleigh has just as many nba and nfl championships as charlotte and an nhl on top of that. more people care about the canes than the bobcats. the canes have some of the loudest fans in all of sports. actually they do hold the record

8/15/2007 4:05:47 AM

^^cotswold is alright except they changed the name of all the Mellow Mushrooms in town.

[Edited on August 15, 2007 at 8:08 AM. Reason : .]

8/15/2007 7:53:47 AM

Just got back on a red eye from San Francisco. This argument seems funny now after spending a week there. We should just all get along.

8/15/2007 7:54:14 AM

IMO Raleigh > Charlotte

8/15/2007 10:05:57 AM

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"and raleigh has just as many nba and nfl championships as charlotte and an nhl on top of that. more people care about the canes than the bobcats. the canes have some of the loudest fans in all of sports. actually they do hold the record"

they hold the record for loudest fans? stfu Earl you stupid cocksucker troll...the NBA isnt a popular sports league but neither is the NHL...the NFL is the king and Charlotte has a team...good luck in getting that little AAA/minor league football shit going though...I'm sure you can brag about that too

(note: this post isnt a knock on Raleigh as it as a knock on that punk alias troll Earl/Howard)

8/15/2007 10:42:58 AM

kind of funny that charlotte 40 years ago looks kind of like raleigh today, as far as size of buildings downtown

8/29/2007 12:39:20 PM

thread of the summer runner up

10/11/2007 2:58:08 AM

damn trickster is suspended

12/5/2007 4:34:02 PM

I've worked and lived in both uptown Charlotte and downtown Raleigh. There is no question that Charlotte uptown is significantly larger and more urban. One can live in downtown Charlotte and not have a car. In fact, I did for a while.

The closest grocery store to downtown Raleigh is in Cameron Village which is a heavy hike.

Indeed, it is possible to live and work in downtown Charlotte and rarely go outside. The major gym, some shopping, condos and offfice buildings are all connected.


That having been said Raleigh is growing significantly faster than Charlotte. In addition, Raleigh-Cary is essentially one city in a way that Gastonia and Charlotte are not. North Raleigh will also probably merge fluidily into Durham before Charlotte merges into Rock Hill or Concord.

When they are "done" growing Charlotte will look more like Chicago with a central core, while Raleigh will look like LA.

I would not put a lot of stock into MSAs or CMSAs because this really is just a count of counties and not the actual boundaries of urban area.

12/5/2007 8:59:43 PM

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[Edited on December 5, 2007 at 9:09 PM. Reason : Double Post]

12/5/2007 9:00:59 PM

http://www.google.com/trends?q=charlotte%2C+raleigh

Charlotte, FTW.

2/4/2008 10:13:58 PM

^ n00b.

2/4/2008 10:17:22 PM

Isn't comparing Raleigh to Charlotte like comparing NC State to UNC ?

2/4/2008 10:46:50 PM

http://www.google.com/trends?q=Raleigh%2C+Chapel+Hill

Raleigh > Chapel Hill.

2/4/2008 11:13:19 PM

^ I wish you had switched it up so that we were red, at least.

http://www.google.com/trends?q=Chapel+Hill%2C+Raleigh&ctab=0&geo=all&date=all&sort=0

2/4/2008 11:23:35 PM

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"The closest grocery store to downtown Raleigh is in Cameron Village which is a heavy hike."

FAIL

Capital City Grocery is off Peace Street in Seaboard.

2/4/2008 11:28:15 PM

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"Isn't comparing Raleigh to Charlotte like comparing NC State to UNC ?"

No, Raleigh isn't as bad as UNC

2/4/2008 11:29:11 PM

http://www.google.com/trends?q=me%2C+you

you win, greyb1

2/4/2008 11:32:21 PM

also:

http://www.google.com/trends?q=tarheels%2C+wolfpack

2/4/2008 11:37:03 PM

THREAD OF THE FRIGGIN YEAR

2/4/2008 11:49:10 PM

^^

Dear 2004,

I understand how you feel about the tarheels.

kthxbai

2/5/2008 12:03:49 AM

who gives a shit, geez

2/5/2008 1:39:53 PM

haha wtf hickory

[Edited on February 5, 2008 at 1:56 PM. Reason : .]

2/5/2008 1:55:42 PM

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"North Raleigh will also probably merge fluidily into Durham before Charlotte merges into Rock Hill or Concord."

charlotte and the populated areas of concord are already pretty fluidly merged. you never even know youve left charlotte when you hit the parts off the highway in the built up areas of concord.

i grew up in charlotte and spent about 5 years in raleigh and i personally like raleigh better, but i think it has to do with the age and time period in my life i spent in each city.

2/5/2008 2:02:05 PM

i agree. i live about a mile from concord mills mall and it's a charlotte address. so what there's a cow farm across the street from my neighborhood, it'll be gone within 5 years max

2/5/2008 2:04:34 PM